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[Blackthornone]

You completely missed my point but whatever...

I think your point was that these collectibles mean that they are things that are supposed to be investments as well as collectibles.
From Wikipedia:
"A collectable or collectible is typically a manufactured item designed for people to collect. In this respect, they are distinguishable from other subjects of collections, which may also include natural objects (e.g., butterflies) and objects manufactured for purposes other than collecting (e.g., stamps). Some objects designed for other purposes, such as toys, become so popular among collectors that they are later marketed specifically to that audience. The high price for certain older Star Wars action figures is a good example of this phenomenon since the figures were originally intended to be purchased as toys rather than collectibles.

History

The earliest collectibles were included as incentives with other products, such as cigarette cards in packs of cigarettes. Popular items developed a secondary market and sometimes became the subject of "collectible crazes". Eventually many collectible items came to be sold separately, instead of being used as marketing tools to increase the appeal of other products.

To encourage collecting, manufacturers often create an entire series of a given collectible, with each item differentiated in some fashion. Examples include sports cards depicting individual players, or different designs of Beanie Baby. Enthusiasts will often try to assemble a complete set of the available variations.

The early versions of a product, manufactured in smaller quantities before its popularity as a collectible developed, sometimes command exorbitant premiums on the secondary market. Dolls and other toys made during an adult collector's childhood can command such premiums. Unless extremely rare or made as a one-of-a-kind OOAK, in a mature market, collectibles rarely prove to be a spectacular investment."

To some people, collectables are investments, and to others, collectables are just things to look at. I know someone who has little Irish gnomes all over her house, which she collects, but they aren't worth very much.
Things don't AT ALL have to be valuable or an investment to be a collectible. Perhaps Sideshow should call themselves Sideshow INVESTMENT Collectibles instead of just Sideshow Collectibles, if the purpose of their products REALLY is what you claim.

 

[Ktjn]

I think it'll be pretty low.. SS knows this will be a huge box and wont want it sucking up warehouse space for a year plus.. Also the price tag scared away most of the ******* that thrill order then cancel when they realize they cant afford it..

You better hope. Now a days people play buy now, cancel later. They're one of the reasons why ES are so high and SS has so much on the GC list.

Anyways, I don't see this going below 100, plus the EX is lame. so glad I didn't even bother ordering. I'll get the regular.

 

[occulum]

If too few of something is made and it costs too much on the secondary market as a result, then recasts are a guarantee. Low ES and high demand is ASKING for recasts to be made. Frankly, I think that recasts are what are deserved when you make too few of something. Recasts hurting overinflated value of originals on secondary market and now you can't resell your originals for as much and you lose profits? Get a life. Make money some other way, like by working, or contributing to this world. There are more important things in life than protecting the profit of resellers. I wouldn't buy a recast, unless it was less than the cost of an original, and looked almost indistinguishable from the original, and the original was super expensive. I like originality and quality, but come on, there are more important things in the world than protecting the appreciated worth of material possessions.

.... all I can really do is laugh at this point ...

 

[Blackthornone]

.... all I can really do is laugh at this point ...

Well, if too few of something is made, do you think that someone WON'T make recasts? Seriously. What do you THINK is going to happen? Everyone in the world will respect protecting the overinflated price of an original and not do it? People manufacture things in this world to make money. If there is an idea out there to manufacture a product and sell it at a profit, and one company won't do it, then you know someone else will. The fact that something can always be reproduced is why extreme prices on the secondary market for things is so ridiculous.

 

[Shai]

 

[occulum]

Well, if too few of something is made, do you think that someone WON'T make recasts? Seriously. What do you THINK is going to happen? Everyone in the world will respect protecting the overinflated price of an original and not do it? People manufacture things in this world to make money. If there is an idea out there to manufacture a product and sell it at a profit, and one company won't do it, then you know someone else will. The fact that something can always be reproduced is why extreme prices on the secondary market for things is so ridiculous.

I'll listen to you when you can prove their pricing is over-inflated.... .... PROOF ... not guesses and comparisons ....

bet you also would support tthe reproduction of an artist painting/print if they limited the number of prints manufactured/sold too wouldnt you ?

Ive never seen such a selfish, gimmie gimmie gimmie, me me me attitude before .... you want everything to be made for you at the price you want .... have fun in this uncaring world ...

 

[Natrix]

I think your point was that these collectibles mean that they are things that are supposed to be investments as well as collectibles.
From Wikipedia:
"A collectable or collectible is typically a manufactured item designed for people to collect. In this respect, they are distinguishable from other subjects of collections, which may also include natural objects (e.g., butterflies) and objects manufactured for purposes other than collecting (e.g., stamps). Some objects designed for other purposes, such as toys, become so popular among collectors that they are later marketed specifically to that audience. The high price for certain older Star Wars action figures is a good example of this phenomenon since the figures were originally intended to be purchased as toys rather than collectibles.

History

The earliest collectibles were included as incentives with other products, such as cigarette cards in packs of cigarettes. Popular items developed a secondary market and sometimes became the subject of "collectible crazes". Eventually many collectible items came to be sold separately, instead of being used as marketing tools to increase the appeal of other products.

To encourage collecting, manufacturers often create an entire series of a given collectible, with each item differentiated in some fashion. Examples include sports cards depicting individual players, or different designs of Beanie Baby. Enthusiasts will often try to assemble a complete set of the available variations.

The early versions of a product, manufactured in smaller quantities before its popularity as a collectible developed, sometimes command exorbitant premiums on the secondary market. Dolls and other toys made during an adult collector's childhood can command such premiums. Unless extremely rare or made as a one-of-a-kind OOAK, in a mature market, collectibles rarely prove to be a spectacular investment."

To some people, collectables are investments, and to others, collectables are just things to look at. I know someone who has little Irish gnomes all over her house, which she collects, but they aren't worth very much.
Things don't AT ALL have to be valuable or an investment to be a collectible. Perhaps Sideshow should call themselves Sideshow INVESTMENT Collectibles instead of just Sideshow Collectibles, if the purpose of their products REALLY is what you claim.

My point is that Sideshow themselves are aiming at a certain market which is collectors and as such don't mass produce their items. They want their products to hopefully at least hold their value if not increase for the people that buy them and have stated that themselves. You are the one all hung up on the secondary market, limited edition sizes/costs and what a collectible should mean to others. They are selling their product for what their target market will bear and they are making money as well which is the point, they are a business.

You come across as being bitter that not every one (you) can have every thing they want. Sideshow need to make more and sell for less...recasting is fine because Sideshow is asking for it..etc.

 

[spartan]

can we all hold our guns until the ES is announced for this thing?

i assure you, if the ES of the EX is in the hundreds, a lot of people who are now defending Sideshow's decision to price this at a whopping $500, will be singing a very different tune...

a bitter, angry tune....

so let's just wait and see.

 

[jbinny]

Christ, they're god damn statues!!!!!!!

It really shouldn't be that complicated... if you like it and you can afford it, you buy it and enjoy it. If you don't like it and/or you can't afford it, you don't buy it and reflect at how much you suck at life/what a failure you are for missing such an awesome piece OR rub it in everyone's face who overpaid when they could have waited to use a gift card.

It's your choice and the result really depends on the piece.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]

Recasters, their supporters and overly wordy people can blow my stinky bungie...

 

[Blackthornone]

My point is that Sideshow themselves are aiming at a certain market which is collectors and as such don't mass produce their items. They want their products to hopefully at least hold their value if not increase for the people that buy them and have stated that themselves. You are the one all hung up on the secondary market, limited edition sizes/costs and what a collectible should mean to others. They are selling their product for what their target market will bear and they are making money as well which is the point, they are a business.

You come across as being bitter that not every one (you) can have every thing they want. Sideshow need to make more and sell for less...recasting is fine because Sideshow is asking for it..etc.

Most things in the world don't double in value in a year. If they do, it means its under produced. I don't think recasting is fine, I just think it's to be EXPECTED when something is under produced.
I also wouldn't pay $1000 for a Doom PF, not because I couldn't afford it, but on PRINCIPLE. I simply don't believe a plastic or polystone statue is worth $1000, period, and I can't bring myself to believe it, no matter how few have been made.

 

[jbinny]

Most things in the world don't double in value in a year. If they do, it means its under produced. I don't think recasting is fine, I just think it's to be EXPECTED when something is under produced.
I also wouldn't pay $1000 for a Doom PF, not because I couldn't afford it, but on PRINCIPLE. I simply don't believe a plastic or polystone statue is worth $1000, period, and I can't bring myself to believe it, no matter how few have been made.

But a piece of paper with a picture of some ugly old bag is worth millions.

 

[Kibishii]

Blackthornone, you have made your opinion painfully clear. The people who disagree with you -myself included- have made our opinions clear. Please, stop spinning your wheels on this thread.

If you want to continue this debate, start a new thread in the "other topics" about the evils of flipping, price gouging, and capitalism in general. Please do not derail this thread about a high quality, high priced collectible that 99% of people purchasing see as a $ investment as well.

 

[Mesa]

well said.


Beginning to sound like a broken record.

 

[LuisCHG]

this thread is going sour
I don't agree with flippin but that's how people make a living

 

[Adoptedscot]

Give this a rest will you please, save it for the appropriate section/thread.

I don't really wanna be editing this thread again to get rid of all the insults and irrelevant stuff, pics and all.

Again, this thread is for the Abom PF
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[jbinny]

Give this a rest will you please, save it for the appropriate section/thread.

I don't really wanna be editing this thread again to get rid of all the insults and irrelevant stuff, pics and all.

Again, this thread is for the Abom PF
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No love for Mike O'hearn?

 

[Adoptedscot]

No, or other OT pics, thank you
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[quadcent]

Give this a rest will you please, save it for the appropriate section/thread.

I don't really wanna be editing this thread again to get rid of all the insults and irrelevant stuff, pics and all.

Again, this thread is for the Abom PF
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yeah you tell em

 

[Fubeca]

Blackthornone, you have made your opinion painfully clear. The people who disagree with you -myself included- have made our opinions clear. Please, stop spinning your wheels on this thread.

If you want to continue this debate, start a new thread in the "other topics" about the evils of flipping, price gouging, and capitalism in general. Please do not derail this thread about a high quality, high priced collectible that 99% of people purchasing see as a $ investment as well.

And besides Obama is going to make sure we all get one. Sorry Couldn't resist!

I love Flipping!:chew

That being said The Abom PF really looks good! Not so sure about the blue tightees but what else can ya do! I am amazed about how big it is and think, unfortunatly, that $500 bones is going to be worth it, no problems!