Prometheus Sequel (ALIEN: Covenant)

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I don't have a problem with the plot goo to be in those spore thingies, the black goo itself is enough of a blank check plot device to easily justify that and more.

However, I would go to the root of the thing, that started with Prometheus, and criticize its convenient versatility; it either kills you, or mutates you, that sounds weird for a biological weapon that was designed by master geneticists, if its purpose is to eradicate life, as it's suggested in Prometheus, why the mutation factor? As of now, with what 2 movies have given us, there's no goal for this other than leading to
the creation of the Xeno.

Maybe there's a component of creation through destruction, and maybe it's part of the Engineers's goals, but I have little faith that they'll come full circle with this theme, since Scott seems to have bent the knee to Alien fans who wanted more Alien in Prometheus at the expense of the themes of Prometheus.

I don't want to call "lazy writing" because that's more often than not; lazy criticism, but I'll go as far as to say that, 2 movies in, and they aren't quite doing much to ground this plot goo.
 
For Rorywan:

What is the black liquid?
And more importantly what does it do?

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I just got boned. The wife isn't feeling well and doesn't want to go to the screening tonight. :gah:

I either go alone, or see it over the weekend with the masses. Yuck.

Doesn't seem like I'm missing anything though. My whole energy for this has become a chore.
 
For Rorywan:

What is the black liquid?
And more importantly what does it do?

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I just got boned. The wife isn't feeling well and doesn't want to go to the screening tonight. :gah:

I either go alone, or see it over the weekend with the masses. Yuck.



Doesn't seem like I'm missing anything though. My whole energy for this has become a chore.

:lol and go see it alone.. especially if it's a free screening. It's worth seeing if you're an alien homeboy.
 
A coral that spews the deadly pathogen that was used as a weapon of mass destruction, but also used to seed other planets by our gods, by melting them into bio DNA, and it is used to create life by the engineers? but it doesn't kill everything, just some creatures, others it transforms, others it grows inside then bursts out in a variety of forms, some of which seem to want to eat and kill everything and others who just stand around, and others that turn into eggs. Some turn into dog shaped creatures after gestating inside a dog (or ox) some turn into dog shaped creatures on all fours that gestate out of a humanoid. And it hatches out of one of it's creators as small blue pointy headed creature, but now hatches out as what exactly? Where are all the thousands of creatures that came from our engineer friends on this new planet. And god knows where all the eggs are supposed to have come from. I could go on.. it makes zero sense.

:lol It's just silly. I really liked the idea of it but expected it to be rationalised somehow.

Woah, wait a minute...

That's a lot of stuff there... I'll try to put my thoughts in order...

- A coral that spews the deadly pathogen that was used as a weapon of mass destruction, but also used to seed other planets by our gods, by melting them into bio DNA, and it is used to create life by the engineers?

Well, the engineers are clearly quite good at that bio-engineering stuff, so why is it unreasonable that even though they look similar, the two types of black goo we see being used are very different?
One deconstructs the engineers' DNA and uses it to kick-start life on barren planets in order to evolve to a semblance of the engineers themselves. Like us, for example.
The other is a tweaked version that is used as a bioweapon to grow deadly lifeforms within the targeted hosts using their own DNA, which kill the host, grow and then move on as singularly violent creatures that go about killing everything else.

- but it doesn't kill everything, just some creatures, others it transforms, others it grows inside then bursts out in a variety of forms, some of which seem to want to eat and kill everything and others who just stand around, and others that turn into eggs.

Uhm... wait, I think that every creature that comes from the bioweapon black goo bursts out as a bloodthirsty creature that wants to kill/eat anything in sight. The standing around bit was only in the presence of David, which could be for the simple reason that he is not biological. As for turning into eggs, if what you mean is the Alien DC, that's not canon. So, no creatures that turn into eggs.

- Some turn into dog shaped creatures after gestating inside a dog (or ox) some turn into dog shaped creatures on all fours that gestate out of a humanoid.

Well, the Dragon (AKA dog alien from A3) was already a "descendant" of David's mutated bioweapons. Not the engineers' original bioweapon creatures, so it makes no sense to try to compare both. And, if the neo-xenomorphs of Covenant were already some mutated stock from David's experiments, they didn't come from a face hugger like the Dragon, but from direct infection by the black goo/spores, so, very different.

- And it hatches out of one of it's creators as small blue pointy headed creature, but now hatches out as what exactly?

The biology of the engineers is different form the biology of humans, so why should the creature that comes out of an engineer look like the creature that comes out of a human? And that not even taking into account whether that was the exact same pathogen or something already tweaked by David.

- Where are all the thousands of creatures that came from our engineer friends on this new planet.

The focus of the infestation was the city where David arrived, so we can surmise that it spread from there. The creatures and spores simply spread out across the planet, away from the starting point, to destroy all biological, non-botanical life. As they fulfilled their mission, why should they go back to the starting point where there were no living organisms? Provided they even had any lifespan after completing their mission... As a weapon, they fulfilled their primary mission, and the spores are what's left in case anything living starts moving around again. So why should these bioweapons stay alive indefinitely roaming around when the spores are enough to ensure no non-botanical life can thrive? In Aliens (and maybe also Alien to a certain extent) it is suggested that once all living beings are destroyed, the creatures go dormant.

- And god knows where all the eggs are supposed to have come from.

Do you mean the eggs in David's cellar? Those are clearly a product of his experiments, what he mutated the engineers' bioweapon into. If you mean the ones in the original Alien, who knows... with 2000 colonists at David's disposal, anything is possible.
 
For Rorywan:

What is the black liquid?
And more importantly what does it do?

6dc71cf2203e533422965b51ef761e438b8076aaa4e50d0cf360d0028c583d1a.jpg




I just got boned. The wife isn't feeling well and doesn't want to go to the screening tonight. :gah:

I either go alone, or see it over the weekend with the masses. Yuck.

Doesn't seem like I'm missing anything though. My whole energy for this has become a chore.

Go see it, it's a great movie!

Go see it already!

Edit: Oh, sucks to be you.

Yeah you ain't missing much if you don't see it.

I'm disappointed in you Gaspar. :pfft:
 
Edit: Oh, sucks to be you.

Yeah you ain't missing much if you don't see it.

:lol and go see it alone.. especially if it's a free screening. It's worth seeing if you're an alien homeboy.

I hate seeing movies by myself. But Ridley's going to the Chinese theater screening so he won't be at the Fox screening, another reason not to go. Besides, there will be another screening this week or next thru the PGA...

Is this something that needs to be seen on the big screen? Good thing about seeing this at Fox is they have insane 3D.
 
I have no desire to see this now.

I started having doubts back when the title was announced.

'ALIEN COLON'
 
Can't wait to see who's going on Wor-Gar's ignore list lol

I didn't go. SUCKS!!!! I knew I shouldn't have said anything -- I jinxed myself.

Anyway, my excitement for this movie kind of died with the reviews. No one's said its great. OK or not bad at best.

The fact that the screenings are 2 days before opening tells me all I need to know -- Fox is not confident about word of mouth.



The wife said she'd go this weekend to make it up to me, but I think I'll wait until next week for the inevitable free screening.
 
Well, it's the most accurate and sober general consensus/general reaction I've seen in a while, even the RT score is closer to the real thing than most of the big blockbusters with their falsely inflated 80s and 90s percentages.

One thing's for sure, of all the recent franchise revival movies; JW, TG, TFA, this is certainly the least sucky one.
 
From what I gathered before, Prometheus makes more sense why you factor in why the engineers want to destroy the human race, according to Ridley the engineers created humans yes, but in the end they sent a Jesus type figure as a savior and they killed him, now the engineers were hellbent on wiping the humans out as a whole, therefore it makes sense why they isolated the dna strand to target any human beings by creating a parasite that destroys everyone. I am still seeing it tomorrow and excited as hell since it's a RIdley movie considering he might not be around for the next one.
 
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