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Prometheus Sequel (ALIEN: Covenant)
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Saw this tonight. Probably the most twisted, disturbing, and cynical entry in the Alien franchise -- and I love it for that. Happy to see the series in dark waters like these. And I actually really enjoy that it's a Prometheus sequel. What, you guys wanted them to just do a straightforward Alien flick like every other entry thus far? What we have here is something so much more interesting. And I love that the creature's origins...
Now for my biggest gripe: 20th Century Fox screwed the pooch by releasing that 'The Crossing' prologue. It's not a prologue. It's spoiler footage. And to those members on here who attended early screenings and said the footage itself wouldn't be shown -- screw you. The bits with Shaw aren't shown, but everything else is. Ridiculously stupid move by Fox. It doesn't ruin the movie, but it severely lessens the impact.
And my second biggest gripe (more of a personal thing than an issue with the film or its handling by Fox):
Having that said, what's done is done. What's seen can't be unseen. I look forward to a second viewing. And to purchasing the art book. My God, there's gotta be some good stuff in there.
8/10. A worthy entry. Y'all haters are crazy. Ripley's story is done. Quit asking for a shameless retcon by Blomkamp (the guy whose sci-fi movies have literally worsened with each new release) -- and then calling Scott the uncreative one.
THEORY TIME: Looking back on Prometheus, the canisters of ooze have two separate parts. The black ooze itself is a mutagen that transforms any animal life besides Engineers (the Engineers simply deteriorate when in contact, as we see at the start of Prometheus and in Covenant when the canisters are dropped).
But the canisters also contain those green bottles, which seem to house the parasite itself. It's this parasite with which David spikes Charlie's drink. It's this parasite that then gestates within Shaw after sex. It's this parasite that seems largely responsible for much of the biological life in Covenant.
So ooze simply mutates animals but doesn't make them parasites (hammerpedes in Prometheus aren't parasitic; they just burrow in a dude's head). But the bottles with contain a parasite are packaged in the same canister as the ooze.
Question is... why and how do the canisters hold both if they do different things?
...are more based in creation than simple evolution. Much creepier that they're the machinations of a twisted, morbidly curious mind. I mean really, how else could something like Giger's beast have come into being? It was the only way.
Now for my biggest gripe: 20th Century Fox screwed the pooch by releasing that 'The Crossing' prologue. It's not a prologue. It's spoiler footage. And to those members on here who attended early screenings and said the footage itself wouldn't be shown -- screw you. The bits with Shaw aren't shown, but everything else is. Ridiculously stupid move by Fox. It doesn't ruin the movie, but it severely lessens the impact.
And my second biggest gripe (more of a personal thing than an issue with the film or its handling by Fox):
I'm bummed the Engineers got such an unceremonious sendoff. Wished we would see them again. They were the high point of Prometheus and it's a shame IMO that Ridley seems to be moving away from them after the end of Covenant.
Having that said, what's done is done. What's seen can't be unseen. I look forward to a second viewing. And to purchasing the art book. My God, there's gotta be some good stuff in there.
8/10. A worthy entry. Y'all haters are crazy. Ripley's story is done. Quit asking for a shameless retcon by Blomkamp (the guy whose sci-fi movies have literally worsened with each new release) -- and then calling Scott the uncreative one.
THEORY TIME: Looking back on Prometheus, the canisters of ooze have two separate parts. The black ooze itself is a mutagen that transforms any animal life besides Engineers (the Engineers simply deteriorate when in contact, as we see at the start of Prometheus and in Covenant when the canisters are dropped).
But the canisters also contain those green bottles, which seem to house the parasite itself. It's this parasite with which David spikes Charlie's drink. It's this parasite that then gestates within Shaw after sex. It's this parasite that seems largely responsible for much of the biological life in Covenant.
So ooze simply mutates animals but doesn't make them parasites (hammerpedes in Prometheus aren't parasitic; they just burrow in a dude's head). But the bottles with contain a parasite are packaged in the same canister as the ooze.
Question is... why and how do the canisters hold both if they do different things?
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Blade, I agree with just about everything you said above. The movie was great. It was dark, and showed the origins of the xenos. Really liked how
However, I disagree with your views on the prolog bit. I felt "The Last Supper" was helpful in building the characters prior to seeing them plunge directly into the movie.
the creatures were made by an ******* robot with a self entitlement issue.
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Elysium & Chappie aren't perfect films but they're ten times more creative than this uninspired sequel/prequel.
I loved Prometheus and worship all things Xenomorph, but Ridley's lost his touch. This movie had the potential to be amazing and is instead monumentally lackluster.
The third act was depressingly predictable.
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I'd buy a figure of David with his flute as an accessory.
Not the Last Supper. I actually wish more of that was in the film. I was referring to The Crossing, which some SUPER helpful members on here assured wouldn't be shown as part of the film.
Dirty, dirty liars. Although Fox shares most of the blame.
I gotta say too that Blade is right regarding that this movie is excellent. I don´t get the hate either.
But 1st: I would´ve loved to see Blomkamp´s concept come to fruition. Sad that it won´t happen now.
But 2nd: According to rumors Scott will put in parts of Blomkamp´s stuff in his third movie. So...let´s see what´s coming out there.
But 1st: I would´ve loved to see Blomkamp´s concept come to fruition. Sad that it won´t happen now.
But 2nd: According to rumors Scott will put in parts of Blomkamp´s stuff in his third movie. So...let´s see what´s coming out there.
I agree with your summary Snikt, our scores are a little different lol but your comments are all on point. First 20-30 mins was interesting Sci-Fi but it reminded me more of Danny Boyle's sunshine than Scott's Alien movie (not a bad thing at all). But I already found myself questioning some points:
What were the roles of all 16 members of the Covenant crew? I'm guessing they all had vital roles but unlike Alien, Scott doesn't bother to set this up (would have been useful character development). I swear that Danny McBride / Tennessee was seemingly the covenant pilot and repairman (as he went on to fix the sails ... I think that was him).
Billy Crudup's character tells us that the company judged him not to be leadership material because of his religious 'fanaticism' which is fine. My query here is why make him second in command ... Seems kind of risky as that's a position that could (and did) lead to a leadership role.
I know Daniels voices this opinion but what the heck were these people doing abandoning their original mission that they had literally spent years preparing for? I know for story reasons but that was probably the first moment when I thought uh oh stupidity lies ahead. In alien the company wants them to investigate the message and there are bonus incentives, in aliens it's their job to investigate why they have lost contact with the colonists. In covenant it would have been sensible to continue on with their mission (respect the lives of the 2000 colonists on board) and report the stray signal to the company so they could investigate.
Billy Crudup's character tells us that the company judged him not to be leadership material because of his religious 'fanaticism' which is fine. My query here is why make him second in command ... Seems kind of risky as that's a position that could (and did) lead to a leadership role.
I know Daniels voices this opinion but what the heck were these people doing abandoning their original mission that they had literally spent years preparing for? I know for story reasons but that was probably the first moment when I thought uh oh stupidity lies ahead. In alien the company wants them to investigate the message and there are bonus incentives, in aliens it's their job to investigate why they have lost contact with the colonists. In covenant it would have been sensible to continue on with their mission (respect the lives of the 2000 colonists on board) and report the stray signal to the company so they could investigate.
Act two I have more narrative issues:
Out of the 15 crew members and Walter that survive poor James Franco lol why did they send all but three of them down to the planet? If the Covenant needs 16 crew members don't you think it would have made more sense to just send down a few well equipped members of the team on the initial exploratory mission? Don't send Walter he is vital to the ship (in the event that this planet is not ideal and they need to resume their original mission).
Don't send both Crudup and Daniels .... Basic protocol should dictate that you do not send both your superior officer and second in command into risky scenario (in aliens Dallas investigates and Ripley stays on board). Otherwise your left in a bizarro situation where McBride is essentially in charge of the ship! Also (and as mentioned) I still don't know what the roles of all the crew were it bugs me lol. Here we see Crudup as the co-pilot of the lander. Ferris is the lander pilot. Crudup's character's wife is a scientist I think but everyone else is just meat. Also why only one lander on this massive ship?
Now we have 12 of the crew and Walter on the ground. They leave Ferris by the lander on her own whilst the rest of them disappear off to investigate mysterious signal... Wtf?! Ferris is doing essential repairs on the lander (their only means of escape) yet they don't even leave her one soldier / guard. Usually the co-pilot would at least stay but as it's acting captain Crudup he can't stay because he needs to be in the thick of the action making bad decisions ... Uh all wrong.
At this point in the movie we have only really been introduced to 6 characters (Walter, Daniels, Crudup, Tennessee, Ferris and Crudup's wife). There are still 10 members of the crew that we don't know anything about (I could not even tell some of them apart). Scott then kills off two of these characters (Ferris and Crudup's wife) in a fun scene but narratively this seems like a mistake as we now only have 3 characters left on the planets surface that we can be invested in and 7 meat bags (discounting the meat bag who gives birth to the first neomorph). Many meat bags dieing in gory ways is ok but if we not invested in the characters it's meaningless. Less characters who are well developed would allow you chance to care about them and it also helps to create tension which is something that this movie is lacking (other than those Fassbender on Fassbender flute scenes).
Don't send both Crudup and Daniels .... Basic protocol should dictate that you do not send both your superior officer and second in command into risky scenario (in aliens Dallas investigates and Ripley stays on board). Otherwise your left in a bizarro situation where McBride is essentially in charge of the ship! Also (and as mentioned) I still don't know what the roles of all the crew were it bugs me lol. Here we see Crudup as the co-pilot of the lander. Ferris is the lander pilot. Crudup's character's wife is a scientist I think but everyone else is just meat. Also why only one lander on this massive ship?
Now we have 12 of the crew and Walter on the ground. They leave Ferris by the lander on her own whilst the rest of them disappear off to investigate mysterious signal... Wtf?! Ferris is doing essential repairs on the lander (their only means of escape) yet they don't even leave her one soldier / guard. Usually the co-pilot would at least stay but as it's acting captain Crudup he can't stay because he needs to be in the thick of the action making bad decisions ... Uh all wrong.
At this point in the movie we have only really been introduced to 6 characters (Walter, Daniels, Crudup, Tennessee, Ferris and Crudup's wife). There are still 10 members of the crew that we don't know anything about (I could not even tell some of them apart). Scott then kills off two of these characters (Ferris and Crudup's wife) in a fun scene but narratively this seems like a mistake as we now only have 3 characters left on the planets surface that we can be invested in and 7 meat bags (discounting the meat bag who gives birth to the first neomorph). Many meat bags dieing in gory ways is ok but if we not invested in the characters it's meaningless. Less characters who are well developed would allow you chance to care about them and it also helps to create tension which is something that this movie is lacking (other than those Fassbender on Fassbender flute scenes).
I have more grumbles lol but that's enough for now.
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What the hell did I just watch? Hardly a sci fi movie follow up to Prometheus, and still no real answers... Sucked
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Regarding the ending and how it leads into Awakening, the supposed title of the sequel to this.....
But as for Walter....
Do you think it means Daniels awakens from hypersleep somehow and fights with David or awakens to a new horror on the ship and has to escape ? Seems kind of ominous that the last scene is of her being put to sleep by David and the title of the next movie is rumoured to be Awakening.
But as for Walter....
I do not think he is killed. I bet he will show up again at one point. We did not see a body or a killing blow and David kept looking back after the fight, worried that he was being followed.
Haha
They told me they fixed Prometheus!
I will try to post my Covenant gripes in smaller bite sized chunks from here out ... Man my post count is going to explode exponentially!
Awesome post!
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