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Re: Prometheus Sequel (ALIEN: Paradise Lost)

ALIEN: Beating of the Dead Franchise
 
Re: Prometheus Sequel (ALIEN: Paradise Lost)

I still think this won't happen....Ridley changes films with the wind...however Fox might give green light if the Martian gets Academy Award nods just to keep him happy...
 
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So is Ridley Scott saying by adding ALIEN to the title it would make it a better film? :lol
 
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I don't know if people wanted a copy and paste of Aliens with Alien 3, but they certainly expected a continuation of the story and character arcs. The primary reason people were p****d off from the outset was the casual killing off of Hicks and Newt off camera. They were two characters people had come to care about during the course of the second movie and they were erased from the equation as though they were utterly inconsequenial, simply to start from scratch again with Sigourney and a solitary alien and a load of new characters no one gave a toss about.

For someone to seriously claim Alien 3 is "better than Aliens" shocks me to be honest. I know we all have our own tastes but I don't see how anyone can view it as anything but a pale imitation of the real deal. It's simply an attempt to revert back to the more supensful tone of the original without actually bothering to implant any suspense at all. It's a visually interesting film, full of muddled ideas, unlikeable characters and one practically disowned by the director himself.

Actually, I think Aliens is far more derivative of Alien than A3. It even has the exact same fourth act...
I find A3 a far more interesting film because of the unlikable characters and the (muddled) ideas. Aliens, while a perfectly fine movie, suffers from Cameron's "in your face" morality play approach. His movies are simply very obvious and overt in their "messages", which makes them a bit patronising, IMHO. I'm not saying they're bad (well, maybe Avatar, which is just sooooo sugary it's borderline condescending of its audience), but I am saying they are usually very simple popcorn films. Very well made, of course.
I know I am in the minority, but I just find characters like Dillon, David and Morse more interesting than the (IMO) walking clichés Hudson or Gorman. Sure, they have cool one-liners and they sacrifice themselves in the end, but they can become infuriating upon repeated viewings.
Is Aliens a better crafted movie than A3? Yes, certainly. Is it better as a movie? Does it stand the test of time or repeated viewings better? I'm not so sure... I do know that I enjoy watching A3 more than Aliens.
And I get that people liked Hicks and Newt, and wanted the happy ending to continue, but as I sat in the theatre and watched the opening sequences of A3, and later Newt's gut-wrenching autopsy, and Dillon's eulogy, I felt an emotional depth to the movie that neither Alien nor Aliens had.
To me Bishop's "I would never be top of the line again" is so much more powerful than "not bad for a human".
 
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Actually, I think Aliens is far more derivative of Alien than A3. It even has the exact same fourth act...
I find A3 a far more interesting film because of the unlikable characters and the (muddled) ideas. Aliens, while a perfectly fine movie, suffers from Cameron's "in your face" morality play approach. His movies are simply very obvious and overt in their "messages", which makes them a bit patronising, IMHO. I'm not saying they're bad (well, maybe Avatar, which is just sooooo sugary it's borderline condescending of its audience), but I am saying they are usually very simple popcorn films. Very well made, of course.
I know I am in the minority, but I just find characters like Dillon, David and Morse more interesting than the (IMO) walking clichés Hudson or Gorman. Sure, they have cool one-liners and they sacrifice themselves in the end, but they can become infuriating upon repeated viewings.
Is Aliens a better crafted movie than A3? Yes, certainly. Is it better as a movie? Does it stand the test of time or repeated viewings better? I'm not so sure... I do know that I enjoy watching A3 more than Aliens.
And I get that people liked Hicks and Newt, and wanted the happy ending to continue, but as I sat in the theatre and watched the opening sequences of A3, and later Newt's gut-wrenching autopsy, and Dillon's eulogy, I felt an emotional depth to the movie that neither Alien nor Aliens had.
To me Bishop's "I would never be top of the line again" is so much more powerful than "not bad for a human".

I have to agree here, but I do believe that to be the result of two different schools of thought regarding the Alien franchise. One wants the classic Hollywood ending for Ripley's story and the other (to which it seems you, some others, and I belong) thinks the bittersweet (mostly bitter) ending to A3 is a more realistic one, given that Ripley's story deals with what should be a perfect, indestructible organism protected by a greedy corporate conglomerate. Her giving Weyland the finger by being the first facehugger victim to choose the circumstances of her death is as positive an ending as you can get in a world so thoughtless and bleak. I found it to be satisfying in a way more profound than the protagonists riding off into the sunset.

Of course, the Hollywood type of ending is popular for a reason and I do love the second film nonetheless. I suppose you could simplify the issue into what's best for a movie's audience vs. what's best for this particular franchise, but that'd be unfair to many legitimate fans. No view is more valid than the other at the end of the day.
 
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Alien 3....the awesomeness of Mr. David Fincher...bottom line
 
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No - shooting hasn't started- plug can be pulled at any time


One of the few times the universe would WANT a power-cut (* just saying *) :wink1:



Alien 3....the awesomeness of Mr. David Fincher...bottom line

Yep - was shocked and "not sure" when it originally hit the cinemas, but LOVE the full/extended version (non-finished stuff and all).

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Yep - was shocked and "not sure" when it originally hit the cinemas, but LOVE the full/extended version (non-finished stuff and all).

Thankfully the most recent blu-ray release had the actors do ADR over the distorted scenes. My only gripe with it now is that it doesn't show the chestburster emerging and Ripley holding it close. That's the one area where the original excels. She probably holds it in place for a practical reason -- to make sure it dies with her -- but in a way it also feels like she is coming full circle, accepting her fate to the point of literally embracing it.

I really ought to watch it again, now that we're talking about it. :lol The assembly cut is so interesting. Lots more time spent with the prisoners, getting a feel for their relationships and tensions with each other, plus them actually trapping the beast and having Golic set it free. I mean, WHOA. That was a big plot point to have taken out and I'm glad we get to see it placed back in.
The intro with Clemens doing his morning walk is also very cool. Definitely sets the darker, more gothic, more dramatic tone of the film in motion. From the very beginning, it's clear this has a different flavor than the previous films, yet it works so well IMO.
 
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Thankfully the most recent blu-ray release had the actors do ADR over the distorted scenes. My only gripe with it now is that it doesn't show the chestburster emerging and Ripley holding it close. That's the one area where the original excels. She probably holds it in place for a practical reason -- to make sure it dies with her -- but in a way it also feels like she is coming full circle, accepting her fate to the point of literally embracing it.

Interesting. I thought one of the best aspects of the work print was that you DON'T see the queen chestburster emerge. Because then it immediately begged the question, "could she have gone back to the ship and had it removed?"

In the theatrical cut you know there was not enough time for her to follow Bishop II back to the ship, the thing was only a minute from coming out of her. Her death was inevitable and jumping into the fire had no bearing on her own survival. It was the "correct" decision in every way.

But her suicide in the work print is a truly noble act AND a massive "**** you" to the company as she truly throws away her own chance at survival just to ensure that they don't get the animal inside her.
 
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