Prometheus Sequel (ALIEN: Covenant)

[olbertfrog]

Especially David being the one...

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah that sounds bad.

Man what a shame, trailer looked good.

 

[crows]

Spoilers were posted 12/18/16. Was from those who was at the test screenings and saw a rough cut of the film. There are also people "in the know" over at AvPGalaxy. They were the one who broke the news about James Franco and they also claim these leaks are legit. The trailer footage pretty much confirms it all.

HUGE SPOILERS for the entire movie:

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• Waterston, Danny McBride and Michael Fassbender are all good in it and that the central characters of the film are good
• However the side-cast is your typical cannon fodder material and the film has some editing/pacing issues
• David is the villain of the film. Aside from the Xenomorphs, he's the main bad guy. He's obsessed with creating the perfect organism.
• He's the sole inhabanet of the planet the crew land on, which is called "Paradise"
• It's the home world of the Engineers but David killed off all of them with the black goo
• You hardly see any Engineers outside of the corpses scattered around the planet
• Shaw is seen only in flashbacks. She's dead before the movie begins and she's the one who sent the beacon to the Covenant ship to help them find the planet
• When David first tells the crew of Covenant what happened to Shaw, he claims she died when the Jockey ship crashed on the planet.
• Later we find out David killed her or exposed her to black goo for testing
  
• New type of Xeno: The Neomorphs are a new type of Xeno's and they burst out of a guys back and another ones throat
• They run on all fours at first like the dog alien from Alien 3, then stand upright later on. They also have fang teeth and spike things on their back/tail that they can shoot.
• Airbourne black spores infecting the crew is what creates these Neomorphs
  
• David has a creepy shop of horrors underneath the Engineer citadel set up. Brownish looking room with failed experiments.
• Basically he ****s over the Covenant crew when he finds them so he can use them for Xeno experiments.
• David is also pretty much the one who creates the first facehugger and Xeno that we know and love.
• He's responsible for creating the proto eggs and facehugger because he's been experimenting with the black goo since they arrived on the Planet.
• David is able to lure a character into his egg room and exposes them to a classic facehugger.
• This spawns the Proto-Xenomorph. It's not the classic one we know, but the closest to it. It is more animal in nature.
• David can also communicate with the Neomorphs and he tries to protect them since he's the "father"
• Movie ends in a way that's open to a sequel but has no tie to Alien.

Thank you for that. Exactly What i expected.
Basically Scott and co ditched the whole engineer, epic angle for this rehash of alien/aliens and unused story points of alien engineers the original Prometheus script.
They could have had the best of both worlds... Damn What a wasted opportunity to make something really original and new with alien.
Well this is gonna look very cool tho.

Well, these spoilers sound terrible.

Especially David being the one...

Where does david get a body?

Is it a new david in the trailer?wtf is going on?

So this new movie wont answer any of the questions from prometheus then

 

[GasparZizou]

Shaw had David's body with her at the end of Prometheus.

I thought it was a different David but according to the spoilers it's the same one.

So apparently Alien is now part of the memeber franchises too. Sigh.

 

[abake]

Had to skip over the last couple of pages trying to avoid spoilers...

The trailer actually put me in the mood to watch Prometheus again.

 

[Sidewinder]

If the spoilers are true, I'm disappointed with where this storyline has gone. Sounds as disappointing as Alien 3 was after Aliens.


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[olbertfrog]

Where does david get a body?

Is it a new david in the trailer?wtf is going on?

So this new movie wont answer any of the questions from prometheus then

What questions do you have?
Using the original script and Scott´s interview one can answer them all

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Why the engineers wanted to wipe the humans?
Remember the engineer base infection happened around 2000 years ago?
When they were ready to come and clean up earth.
Basically Jesus was an engineer.
The other option was that the experiment on earth was over and it was time to clean up and start anew.
Or harvest the planet cattle for experimentations.

The movie is going to show you Shaw and David in a flashback unleashing the blackgoo on the engineers planet, killing every last one of them.
And any plot point introduced with them at the same time.
probably because they were once more ready to destroy earth, and Also because David is now pure evil.

I cannot wait to see how they are going to justify the engineer crashed on lv426.
Since now its David who created the eggs, and facehuggers as we know it.
Another survivor engineer Will pop up in the covenant sequel that Will escape with eggs created by David or even better the lv426 engineer is actually not an engineer but either David himself or a human in an engineer suit... Im sure they Will find a way to justify the size différence lol

Btw yes there is a new David model, named Walter.
He is the one you see coming out of the covenant ship.
The original David was fixed with shaw´s help hence why he has his body back.
David Will probably try to convince Walter to join him but no you cant have two bad fassbender running around lol

 

[GasparZizou]

God creates Man, Man creates David, David kills God.

Really makes you think.

 

[olbertfrog]

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Its not a bad concept but its really cheating to have them getting rid of the engineers in a flashback.
I was hoping for a movie that would show us David and Shaw adventures and interactions with the engineers culture.
The climax would have been David and Shaw destroying them with their own weapons, the newborn xenos as we know them.
Well at first i tought they were going to show them arriving on an already dead planet so i guess thats a bit better that we do get a slice of the Prometheus storyline follow up.

Poor Rapace.
The meeting she had when they told her that they would not follow the Prometheus storyline and just kill her off must have been something...

 

[GasparZizou]

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Its not a bad concept but its really cheating to have them getting rid of the engineers in a flashback.
I was hoping for a movie that would show us David and Shaw adventures and interactions with the engineers culture.
The climax would have been David and Shaw destroying them with their own weapons, the newborn xenos as we know them.
Well at first i tought they were going to show them arriving on an already dead planet so i guess thats a bit better that we do get a slice of the Prometheus storyline follow up.

Poor Rapace.
The meeting she had when they told her that they would not follow the Prometheus storyline and just kill her off must have been something...

Well

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for starters, I don't like the fact that the engineers are gone at all, why would you build up the theme of the search for answers from "god", if after *actually* finding "god", you're not gonna get any answers anyway? Imagine everything the engineers would know, it would've been very interesting to explore that angle.

I hope they still explore that storyline and it's not just another member movie.

 

[crows]

This will probably be a good scary horror movie.
It will probably have great visuals and great effects. Style over substance

Story will be predictable.

So literally, exactly the same case as star wars the force awakens.

 

[olbertfrog]

Well

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for starters, I don't like the fact that the engineers are gone at all, why would you build up the theme of the search for answers from "god", if after *actually* finding "god", you're not gonna get any answers anyway? Imagine everything the engineers would know, it would've been very interesting to explore that angle.

I hope they still explore that storyline and it's not just another member movie.

Its simply a commercial and budget move.

Prometheus did not perform as Fox wanted.
Reviews were mixed too. So its back to basics.
Lets get rid of yur mumbo jumbo Ridley the audience just want to be scared with the xenomorph.
Shaw and David in a living populated engineer planet would have cost way more too.
Then you have Fassbender who is now a bankable star so lets make him the star of the show by putting him in the middle of it all.

Prometheus took its roots in Alien but it Will go another way... Yeah right Ridley lol
The guy was probably sincère but he ****ed up big time when he tought he could create a new franchise based only on some visuals and concepts he wanted to see on screen and then ask a screen writer to flesh a story around these.

 

[olbertfrog]

This will probably be a good scary horror movie.
It will probably have great visuals and great effects. Style over substance

Story will be predictable.

So literally, exactly the same case as star wars the force awakens.

I think so.
Just hope its not dumb.
And that we Will have some surprises.

 

[GasparZizou]

Its simply a commercial and budget move.

Prometheus did not perform as Fox wanted.
Reviews were mixed too. So its back to basics.
Lets get rid of yur mumbo jumbo Ridley the audience just want to be scared with the xenomorph.
Shaw and David in a living populated engineer planet would have cost way more too.
Then you have Fassbender who is now a bankable star so lets make him the star of the show by putting him in the middle of it all.

Prometheus took its roots in Alien but it Will go another way... Yeah right Ridley lol
The guy was probably sincère but he ****ed up big time when he tought he could create a new franchise based only on some visuals and concepts he wanted to see on screen and then ask a screen writer to flesh a story around these.

Sad times indeed.

 

[crows]

Its simply a commercial and budget move.

Prometheus did not perform as Fox wanted.
Reviews were mixed too. So its back to basics.
Lets get rid of yur mumbo jumbo Ridley the audience just want to be scared with the xenomorph.
Shaw and David in a living populated engineer planet would have cost way more too.
Then you have Fassbender who is now a bankable star so lets make him the star of the show by putting him in the middle of it all.

Prometheus took its roots in Alien but it Will go another way... Yeah right Ridley lol
The guy was probably sincère but he ****ed up big time when he tought he could create a new franchise based only on some visuals and concepts he wanted to see on screen and then ask a screen writer to flesh a story around these.

Ridley f ed up the moment he got LOST writer Damon Lindelof.
Thats when ridley's story went off the rails

 

[rivera2171]

Ridley f ed up the moment he got LOST writer Damon Lindelof.
Thats when ridley's story went off the rails

Agreed, I can't stand Lindelof. Especially what he did to Prometheus. The original concept script to Prometheus was way better.

 

[screamingmetal]

Well the trailer got me more interested, would've been happier with a straight Prometheus sequel though.

I've been trying to avoid spoilers in this thread, but it seems to me that the planet they're visiting is LV223 after it's grown since the events of Prometheus, is that the case or is this a new planet?

 

[BetterThanKenobi83]

Eh, I will go see it once in theatres and see how I go. I hope to be surprised in some areas but, as others have already said here, it looks like a by the numbers Alien remake that apparently a lot of fans wanted from Prometheus to begin with.

That begs the question though. Do you think pandering to nostalgia from the older films hurts a franchise in the long run or are studios just giving what the masses want to see aka putting butts in seats ? Is it just the hardcore fans getting disappointed ?

 

[BetterThanKenobi83]

And as for TFA I thought that was the movie SW fans wanted all along in the prequels, a film that felt like the original trilogy ? Its not what they wanted after all after seeing it ? Did SW fans even know what they wanted from 7 to begin with ?

 

[crows]

Eh, I will go see it once in theatres and see how I go. I hope to be surprised in some areas but, as others have already said here, it looks like a by the numbers Alien remake that apparently a lot of fans wanted from Prometheus to begin with.

That begs the question though. Do you think pandering to nostalgia from the older films hurts a franchise in the long run or are studios just giving what the masses want to see aka putting butts in seats ? Is it just the hardcore fans getting disappointed ?

Well how did Rogue One did?

And as for TFA I thought that was the movie SW fans wanted all along in the prequels, a film that felt like the original trilogy ? Its not what they wanted after all after seeing it ? Did SW fans even know what they wanted from 7 to begin with ?

Did people wanted a remake of a new hope? Complete with new death star?

Did people really want a remake of alien now?