PSN Down Indefinitely?

[Elder_Predator2]

Thats good news because the only PS3 game I have is an online only one.

 

[Something Sexy]

everybody who says "OMG ITZ TEH HAKERZ" are just drinking Sony's koolaid. and if you take their word for anything, i have a bridge to sell you (with nasty DRM included). what Sony conveniently forgot to mention in their press release is they ingeniously made their PSN Store, multiplayer, and dev network all in one connection instead of separate dedicated networks. so when one has to be taken down for "maintenance"... all of them go down. which is exactly the kind of thing that happens at tech companies that are run from the top down by lawyers. incidentally, Microsoft was smart enough to not do that, which is why they don't have the same frequency of network outages.

tl;dr - Sony is having network issues due to lazy ____upery and media-hype buzzwords like "hackers" are a convenient scapegoat.

So do you still think this is true?

 

[devilof76]

 

[Matt S]

Checked my CC...no weird charges, thank god!

 

[prefused]

So do you still think this is true?

yep. like i said, "hackers" didn't bring down PSN. Sony did. because, again, like i said, their developer network and PSN/multiplayer are all connected instead of being on dedicated networks. they failed to take reasonable security precautions, which is what led to the class-action suit against them for criminal negligence.
https://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20057921-260.html

oh and there was this whole deal...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal#Legal_and_financial_problems

so do you still take their word for anything?

Checked my CC...no weird charges, thank god!

your CC info was encrypted. it's just everything else that wasn't. i haven't seen any reports of CC fraud from this.

 

[Sebastian]

That's besides the point... SONY did not compromise their security. Hackers did. Did SONY hack their own database? Btw on XBOX live my credit information was compromised and someone made over 100$ worth of purchases on my card. Microsoft failed to notify me, but my credit company called me immediately and told me that I had to change my card. Cus anything Microsoft makes is soooooo secure. *insert sarcasm*

 

[prefused]

i'm not saying MS is more secure, i don't even have an xbox. what the lawsuit says is Sony didn't take reasonable precautions. most of your personal info was in plain text instead of being encrypted. and their developer network wasn't secured at all. it's essentially like a bank keeping all of your money in a jar on the counter and relying on the honor system to make sure it stays there. that's what criminal negligence is.

 

[devilof76]

That's a load of crap. Litigious tools with no honor...

 

[Something Sexy]

In the end the Hackers are still the reason PSN is down. Do you think they would take psn down for all of these days otherwise?

 

[prefused]

would the developer network have been used in the first place if Sony had put as much effort as they do putting DRM in everything as securing their own network on their end? we're getting into a chicken-or-the-egg situation here. in the end, Sony is 100% responsible in making sure their customers don't get their info stolen on their proprietary network. all evidence points to them completely failing to utilise even basic security essentials. any kid with a laptop and some scripts could've done this. it's inexcusable.

 

[Sebastian]

Even if it wasn't encrypted geocrap obtained the keys anyways to decrypt PSN content. Thanks to that fool OtherOS was removed.

 

[prefused]

no the keys were for firmware. PSN content isn't really encrypted in the first place. you can access it with a pc and some firefox extenstions,

 

[Sebastian]

I think you need to educate yourself a bit more. First of all PSN content is encrypted that's obvious considering you need a Psn account to install it. Secondly Geohot professed that he had obtained NPDRM keys etc, devs has been facing a hard time to touch the “important” part of the PS3 security. That part also happens to be the area where you can lighten up the pirates.

 

[prefused]

logging in isn't the same thing as encryption. psn is on the same internet your pc uses. the content itself isn't encrypted at all, it's just regular .pkg files. your pc can't install them, but it's easy enough to access without a console. as far as i can tell, everything geohot did was on the firmware side.

 

[Sebastian]

Updates are different from ACTUAL CONTENT. Try installing PSN games "downloaded" and try installing it on a nonjailbroken PS3.

U really don't know what you are talking about. Just like iTunes allows users to authorize clients to activate ENCRYPTED content onto 5 computers... Sony's business model is the same

 

[Sebastian]

You are wrong. Geocrap just hasn't released all his work but there are different keys that don't relate to firmware only

 

[prefused]

Updates are different from ACTUAL CONTENT. Try installing PSN games "downloaded" and try installing it on a nonjailbroken PS3.

right, but again, that's all on the firmware side. the .pkg files themselves are not encrypted. and as it turns out, neither was any of the personal info you sent to Sony. it's basically an open system that Sony hoped would work entirely at the user end and they didn't do jack on their end.

 

[Kabukiman]

Let's say I left the door to my house open when I went on vacation. Somebody walks in and steals all my stuff while I'm gone.

I may be an irresponsible moron, but the person who stole all my stuff is still a criminal ____wad.

 

[prefused]

Let's say I left the door to my house open when I went on vacation. Somebody walks in and steals all my stuff while I'm gone.

I may be an irresponsible moron, but the person who stole all my stuff is still a criminal ____wad.

well, nobody is arguing that. but the difference is liability. Sony is a corporation and they have access to your personal info and CC. it's their responsibility to make sure that is secured. same as any banking corp.

 

[BuffyGirl]

Hackers=bad
Sony=stupid.

'nough said.