QMX Star Trek General discussion thread

[Star Puffs]

Lol.

Compared to DS9, the characters in TOS and TNG are more like NPCs.

Garak, a secondary character, has more depth than any character except perhaps Picard in earlier series.

 

[jal76]

I mean a success for them commercially. I enjoyed it but I did grind my teeth at some of the apocryphal stuff, which was clearly from the JJ Abrams playbook. All the show needed was for a couple of Trek experts to edit the scripts. There are definitely plot holes and technological faux pas that are annoying. They do seem sloppier than the nineties. I don't object to the concept of spore drive, I object to it being so magically powerful that it inconceivable it went away in later Trek.

Picard is better but I get frustrated that at no point do they ever reconcile the existence of three other planets with intelligent androids from TOS and intelligent machines from TNG. Trek is at its worst when it features fire and forget technology of the week. There are some plot reveals that are a bit questionable too and Elnor's tendency to murder people without considering incapacitating them is a bit unsavoury even if he is so adorable. That said, it weaves the lore of earlier shows into the story brilliantly and is very watchable. If they adopt a similar respect for the show's history in Strange New Worlds and edge back more towards the classic formula, I think that will also be successful.

The Spore Drive being something that is the never used or even mentioned again in spite of its great power is fully explained in the season 2 finale of Discovery...definitely not inconceivable with all due respect.

 

[jal76]

Lol.

Compared to DS9, the characters in TOS and TNG are more like NPCs.

Garak, a secondary character, has more depth than any character except perhaps Picard in earlier series.

This is true.

 

[NCC-1701 no bloody ABCorD]

Lol.

Compared to DS9, the characters in TOS and TNG are more like NPCs.

Yes, that’s why TOS is such a phenomenon worldwide, having spawned canon and dozens of movies and series and conventions, and a fandom unmatched... certainly unmatched by DS9’s...

 

[jal76]

Yes, that?s why TOS is such a phenomenon worldwide, having spawned canon and dozens of movies and series and conventions, and a fandom unmatched... certainly unmatched by DS9?s...

Why pit the various Star Trek series against one another...? they are all interconnected fictionally and creatively too...which is my many of us can just sit back and love and appreciate all of the Star Trek material that is out there...I can?t imagine the misery of having to cherry pick Star Trek when it is such a rich and comprehensive piece of art.

 

[NCC-1701 no bloody ABCorD]

Why pit the various Star Trek series against one another...?

Because it’s the nature of people to have likes and dislikes—not all Trek are created equal per opinion—and it comes up in conversation.

 

[Mike86]

I like most versions of Star Trek. The exceptions have been Discovery and sadly Picard. I’m hoping the new show with Anson Mount as Pike will be better. He’s one of the only bright spots in Discovery and it sounds like the show is aiming to be more like classic Star Trek so fingers crossed. Otherwise though I like TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT. VOY is probably my least favorite of the more classic Trek shows.

 

[jal76]

Because it?s the nature of people to have likes and dislikes?not all Trek are created equal per opinion?and it comes up in conversation.

Well since we are discussing opinions I will say that all Trek shows are created equal and the differences come down to personal preference. I would also say that Star Trek fans probably don?t feel the need to devalue a Trek series by negatively comparing it to another. There have been 742 episodes of Star Trek and if one is ONLY a fan of the first 79 episodes that?s just a little over 10% so I think it?s safe to say that that person would not be a ?Star Trek Fan? just a fan of the original series, which is fair. If I only read 10% of a book and then toss it out I am not a fan of the book even if I loved that excellent 10%.

 

[NCC-1701 no bloody ABCorD]

Well since we are discussing opinions I will say that all Trek shows are created equal and the differences come down to personal preference. I would also say that Star Trek fans probably don?t feel the need to devalue a Trek series by negatively comparing it to another. There have been 742 episodes of Star Trek and if one is ONLY a fan of the first 79 episodes that?s just a little over 10% so I think it?s safe to say that that person would not be a ?Star Trek Fan? just a fan of the original series, which is fair. If I only read 10% of a book and then toss it out I am not a fan of the book even if I loved that excellent 10%.

I largely disagree. All Treks are not created equal. But I partly agree. Yes, it is also personal preference. To use your yardstick, I can say that I am a fan of ONLY TOS. I also like Enterprise and some of TNG. Period. I think today’s television Trek is designed for a totally different audience than that of the 60s. Arithmetic shows us that that was close to 60 years ago! Socio-politics and socio-values have changed considerably. No denying that. I do not agree with what Trek is pushing today. It’s perfectly fine to like one and not the other. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. It’s a mistake to say it’s all good and let’s all kumbaya. I reserve your right to like all Trek. Whatever hovers your shuttlecraft. I don’t like all Trek. Like you said, personal preference.

 

[jal76]

I largely disagree. All Treks are not created equal. But I partly agree. Yes, it is also personal preference. To use your yardstick, I can say that I am a fan of ONLY TOS. I also like Enterprise and some of TNG. Period. I think today?s television Trek is designed for a totally different audience than that of the 60s. Arithmetic shows us that that was close to 60 years ago! Socio-politics and socio-values have changed considerably. No denying that. I do not agree with what Trek is pushing today. It?s perfectly fine to like one and not the other. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. It?s a mistake to say it?s all good and let?s all kumbaya. I reserve your right to like all Trek. Whatever hovers your shuttlecraft. I don?t like all Trek. Like you said, personal preference.

Well EVERYTHING has grown since the 1960s which is quite fortunate...movies, music, art, entertainment...they have all progressed by 6 decades and adapted to modern sensibilities. Star Trek has not ?changed.? The original series was excellent but television in 2020 is nothing like TV in the sixties in any way shape or form. Star Trek has simply evolved with time like most of the rest of us.Today?s music doesn?t sound like the Beatles either...Star Trek is not ?designed for a ?different? audience? it is simply no longer the 1960s anymore. Why should Star Trek remain frozen in a post World War II bubble while the rest of the world of entertainment progresses to 2020? Like what you want but it is not a ?mistake? to say that they are all ?good? because to me and a whole bunch of other life long Star Trek fans out there they ARE in fact all good.

 

[gin007]

So, outside of TOS and Picard, if you could have one and only one figure to made made, who would it be? Mine is Quark, because what an icon!

 

[Pauln6a]

The Spore Drive being something that is the never used or even mentioned again in spite of its great power is fully explained in the season 2 finale of Discovery...definitely not inconceivable with all due respect.

Yes but I think what is silly is the supremacist notion that only the Federation could discover and harness something like this when so many other more advanced species are out there. Just because the Federation puts a lid on it doesn't mean that non Federation races would do the same.

Pulling it back to 1/6, Star Trek does focus on morality tales so each series has a different focus. This makes it different to Star Wars with its consistent, more simplistic, tale of good versus evil with a focus on appealing visuals. Different flavours of Trek with varying fan bases does make it tougher for Trek producers to gauge potential sales for any particular project. Kirk, Spock, and Picard are iconic although even the latter might not quite be there yet. Seven of Nine's rejuvenated profile stands a chance of elevating her given that her existing popularity was already quite high. If I was QMX, I think Seven would be high on my list of Future projects.

 

[karamazov80]

So, outside of TOS and Picard, if you could have one and only one figure to made made, who would it be? Mine is Quark, because what an icon!

If done well, I mean Hot Toys-level detail and quality, I would go with a Borg.

Other than that, Data's daughter from the new Picard show. . .just kidding of course. Wish I could scrub my brain of the horror of watching that garbage show. It was anti-Star Trek.

 

[Pauln6a]

If done well, I mean Hot Toys-level detail and quality, I would go with a Borg.

Other than that, Data's daughter from the new Picard show. . .just kidding of course. Wish I could scrub my brain of the horror of watching that garbage show. It was anti-Star Trek.

Anti-Trek is perhaps a bit hyperbolic. Trek is partially intended to be a counterpoint to the political backdrop of the time in which it is written. Patrick Stewart wanted to reflect the current state of the world. Political institutions don't stay the same over time. The Roman Empire became too big to be sustained. The USA is increasingly looking inwards. I think this is what the writers were trying to use as their tableau. You have Borg reclaiming their humanity, you have synthetics seeking their humanity, you have people whose suffering has caused them to forget or to doubt their humanity. It feels like a different flavour of Trek to me.

I think Seven or Locutus would certainly be timely choices for a 1/6 figure.

 

[NCC-1701 no bloody ABCorD]

If done well, I mean Hot Toys-level detail and quality, I would go with a Borg.

Other than that, Data's daughter from the new Picard show. . .just kidding of course. Wish I could scrub my brain of the horror of watching that garbage show. It was anti-Star Trek.

I have not and will not watch Picard, but I agree with those sentiments to be deservedly applied to Discovery. And as far as a done-well figure nothing really would interest me outside of TOS. Maybe Archer to go with my Eaglemoss XL NX-01.

 

[Scifi67]

I tried to watch Picard but couldn't go more than two episodes, not good. Discovery was a total train wreck in my opinion, just bad. Johnathan Archer would look great next to my TNG Picard.

 

[NCC-1701 no bloody ABCorD]

I tried to watch Picard but couldn't go more than two episodes, not good. Discovery was a total train wreck in my opinion, just bad. Johnathan Archer would look great next to my TNG Picard.

Discovery has been more than a train wreck. It’s offensive to me and to my cousin and his wife who are also big TOS fans. Discovery is not Star Trek, in my opinion. In fact, as karamazov suggested, it is anti-Trek. It has turned TOS sanctity on its head. It has destroyed the spirit and positivity of Star Trek. It is a nightmarish example of modern “political correctness” run amok. And arrogant-Hollywood today is the banner carrier of this plague.

“The USA is increasingly looking inwards.” That statement is the common-denominator symptom of the self-inflicted infection: “We (the USA) must be doing something really bad because we are so successful and powerful. So, let us search for and root out the enemy within.”

 

[Scifi67]

Discovery has been more than a train wreck. It’s offensive to me, and to my cousin and his wife who are also big TOS fans. Discovery is not Star Trek, in my opinion. In fact, as karamazov suggested, it is anti-Trek. It has turned TOS sanctity on its head. It is a nightmarish example of modern “political correctness” run amok.

"It is a nightmarish example of modern “political correctness” run amok."

I agree.

 

[jal76]

Anti-Trek is perhaps a bit hyperbolic. Trek is partially intended to be a counterpoint to the political backdrop of the time in which it is written. Patrick Stewart wanted to reflect the current state of the world. Political institutions don't stay the same over time. The Roman Empire became too big to be sustained. The USA is increasingly looking inwards. I think this is what the writers were trying to use as their tableau. You have Borg reclaiming their humanity, you have synthetics seeking their humanity, you have people whose suffering has caused them to forget or to doubt their humanity. It feels like a different flavour of Trek to me.

I think Seven or Locutus would certainly be timely choices for a 1/6 figure.

Great post... some think that the point of Star Trek was Captain Kirk getting into fist fights and love affairs with different aliens each week. People forget that Gene Roddenberry always intended for Star Trek to explore certain socio-political perspectives that were important to him as the show?s creator. Like it or not those are the same perspectives still being explored by current Star Trek. As far as figures go give me Captain Sisko.

 

[NCC-1701 no bloody ABCorD]

some think that the point of Star Trek was Captain Kirk getting into fist fights and love affairs with different aliens each week.

Ya don’t say! Really? Is that what people think? Is that seriously someone’s profound opinion? Is that why TOS is such an iconic, groundbreaking phenomenon that will never be forgotten in the history of the genre? Aye, laddie, but ya do know what they say aboot opinions, don’t ya?