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Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

Why must it? Or else what?

Again, it is very simple. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Nobody is forcing anybody. You get to see everything before you put your money down.
Or else I wouldn't purchase the item as it wouldn't meet my own standards in regards to what I feel like a $1000 figure should look like. If I wasn't happy with the likeness I would just not purchase the item as if the figure doesn't really look like De Niro I wouldn't see the point in purchasing it. That isn't saying the quality isn't going to be good on that particular item. I just wouldn't feel comfortable paying that much for something that doesn't look right to me. So for me likeness is probably the most important factor when it comes to purchasing something like this. For others it may be the clothing or maybe the accessories or whatever else. My point remains as the price rises people are going to expect more whether it is at a restaurant, hotel, or for a toy or figure. I'm still curious as to see what it look like with full hair.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

It's all cool mate :peace

I will be honest and say I don't get your argument however :dunno

Talking about cutting off noses and calling that a style is a little far fetched isn't it?

I'm just saying that, if another artist created a work that featured some inaccurate aspects, and, upon being criticized, fell back on the "it's just my style" line, would that fly as much as it does for Rainman? Again, I'm not referring to any specific work, but just a general trend I've noticed running through a lot of RM threads.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

Or else I wouldn't purchase the item as it wouldn't meet my own standards in regards to what I feel like a $1000 figure should look like. If I wasn't happy with the likeness I would just not purchase the item as if the figure doesn't really look like De Niro I wouldn't see the point in purchasing it. That isn't saying the quality isn't going to be good on that particular item. I just wouldn't feel comfortable paying that much for something that doesn't look right to me. So for me likeness is probably the most important factor when it comes to purchasing something like this. For others it may be the clothing or maybe the accessories or whatever else. My point remains as the price rises people are going to expect more whether it is at a restaurant, hotel, or for a toy or figure. I'm still curious as to see what it look like with full hair.

And that is the right you have :duff
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

I'm just saying that, if another artist created a work that featured some inaccurate aspects, and, upon being criticized, fell back on the "it's just my style" line, would that fly as much as it does for Rainman? Again, I'm not referring to any specific work, but just a general trend I've noticed running through a lot of RM threads.

I wouldn't criticise an artist if that is what he was telling me. I would walk away if that wasn't for me. I certainly wouldn't demand it to be changed so it specifically catered for my wants and needs.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

I wouldn't criticise an artist if that is what he was telling me. I would walk away if that wasn't for me. I certainly wouldn't demand it to be changed so it specifically catered for my wants and needs.

BINGO! And that's what happens to often in rainman threads and over the years, as he has been nice enough to cater to many, and it has become norm to the point where if someone doesn't get a particular look, item or whatever else, they'll over-analyze, put the art under a microscope and try to procure their want and desire. Just go the commission route & get exactly what you want... especially if you have the paper to get it done. Teddy, you did... especially after many nominations to try to get this done. It wasn't until after the fact that people then wanted what you had.

As I told a friend today via text about this stuff on here; it's art. Many will boast about the artist, tout it as his creation they are buying, then whine when it isnt to their liking... this after he shows the pictures etc., but they'll be there day-one ordering. I don't get it? Let him create, if its art you want... yes, he has many times asked for analysis etc., but ultimately he is putting his art out there and not once he has made ultimatums regarding his sales. Don't call it art, then try to dictate what he does and how he does it. Especially after you wind up ordering anyway.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

I agree with this 100%. The artist doesn't owe anybody anything as harsh as that may seem. What Rainman is offering is a figure based on the Travic Bickle character and it is up to him to decide how to create the figure and decide when he feels he has finished it.

I do not agree with this. When I create something and sell it I owe something to people who will buy it. Cause I want my client to be 100% happy. I wouldn't feel comfortable in releasing something i'm not 100% happy with.

I think criticism has taken my worj to another level. Sometimes it's hard to swallow but that is what makes you making progress and deliver better works.


Rainman was once a benchmark for custom figures but I don't see him evolve much.

Iminime is taken a lot of advices and listen to critics and that is taking them to another level.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

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I swear these Rainman threads work like clockwork.

Good luck to anyone chasing this. I think it looks great. Still on the fence.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

Iminime is redoing their fight club putt sculpt for like the third time....
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

Iminime is redoing their fight club putt sculpt for like the third time....

Didn't many on here always make the argument that their :"business models," are entirely different? :gah:
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

I do not agree with this. When I create something and sell it I owe something to people who will buy it. Cause I want my client to be 100% happy. I wouldn't feel comfortable in releasing something i'm not 100% happy with.

I think criticism has taken my worj to another level. Sometimes it's hard to swallow but that is what makes you making progress and deliver better works.


Rainman was once a benchmark for custom figures but I don't see him evolve much.

Iminime is taken a lot of advices and listen to critics and that is taking them to another level.

What I'm getting at is what if Rainman is 100% happy with what he has put out? People are seemingly questioning him lately because the figures he is releasing have been not up to their personal standards.

Does this mean he is not trying as hard on the projects? Very unlikely. Maybe he is just having a tough time trying to catch the likeness of the characters he is trying to replicate.
 
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Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

Anyone has a right to criticize anyone selling something through this forum (using free publicity and marketing in the process) to the extent they want to, so long as it is not overly disrespectful. There are a few exceptions with SSC artists where there is less leeway than others because of the relationship of SSC with the board, but. . .in general, this is something that holds, and is important for the purpose of having honest discussions on these things. Folks can prefer others to behave this way or that way, but this is really board policy. Just want to make that clear.

To Batfan's post, clearly criticisms of Rainman are not off-limits, since they go on all the time, including in Iminime threads where he has done sculpts for them.

However, I do think the expectations of Rainman should make "photorealistic" sculpts is not a rational expectation collectors should hold. He just doesn't always do this. Sometimes he gets a better likeness, sometimes, as pointed out previously, the sculpts are more off, but seem to share some common stylistic elements that distinguish them as Rainman's work vs., say, Erick Sosa or Rocco or Grove or Serang or whomever. And this is part of it being art, and not a 3-D sculpt captured using little computer nodes on an actor's face.

I would say that on balance, it's about a 50/50 chance folks are going to get really accurate sculpts with Rainman, and it is a total crap shoot. So, of course you can be disappointed about it, but to have expectations to that effect goes against the evidence out there. Blondie, Tuco, Durden, Alex, Stansfield, Dexter, Pee-Wee, Jules, Tony Soprano, Ra's al Ghul, Lector, this guy--they all are pretty widely accepted as having less than "photorealistic" sculpts. If you can dig and appreciate them for what they are, then I would say that makes you a Rainman fan. If not, then I would suggest you are a fan of quality, accurate figures, including those that are sometimes made by Rainman, but not always. No shame there. But maybe it would be helpful if folks recognized this fact and stopped feeling like it is the end of the world when Rainman does what he frequently does, and supplies us with a stylized sculpt. The criticisms are also fine, but I think they should be couched in an understanding that this is really Rainman's kind of method and product, and always has been as long as his site has been up.

If you want to say that he doesn't evolve in terms of his sculpting style, then that's fair enough, but he's got his own thing going. There are other artists out there that stick to a common and accepted form, and they are accepted for that, so I'm not sure that he really needs to evolve in this sense. Maybe that drives some artists, but not others. And I think that's a'aight.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

I do not agree with this. When I create something and sell it I owe something to people who will buy it. Cause I want my client to be 100% happy. I wouldn't feel comfortable in releasing something i'm not 100% happy with.

I think criticism has taken my worj to another level. Sometimes it's hard to swallow but that is what makes you making progress and deliver better works.


Rainman was once a benchmark for custom figures but I don't see him evolve much.

Iminime is taken a lot of advices and listen to critics and that is taking them to another level.

You nailed it, Seb. I think a lot of the "it's just my style" stuff actually holds him back, as an artist. I really liked what Nathan had to say in his thread a while back:


An artist isn't just somebody who has good technique with the ability to manipulate clay or paint or pencil. An artist should also be able to see what's NOT good about his work, and be able to adjust it until there is NOTHING NOT good about it. It's not about seeing it in a way that pleases you, convincing yourself that it's better than it is. It's about looking for anything that displeases you, wanting to find the flaw before somebody else does. If you think something might be wrong, don't quit because it's a lot of work to fix. FIX IT. Your reputation is based on your work, and once your work leaves your hands, it's chiseled in stone. FIX IT! Leave no room for anybody to point out a mistake. If they do, FIX IT!!!
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

That's fine, but again, why should every artist need to follow that same philosophy? And who are you to say anything is holding him back as an artist? Maybe he thinks his newer works are more fulfilling forms of expression than anything he's done before.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

That's fine, but again, why should every artist need to follow that same philosophy? And who are you to say anything is holding him back as an artist? Maybe he thinks his newer works are more fulfilling forms of expression than anything he's done before.

You nailed in better words exactly what I was trying to say!
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

Anyone has a right to criticize anyone selling something through this forum (using free publicity and marketing in the process) to the extent they want to, so long as it is not overly disrespectful. There are a few exceptions with SSC artists where there is less leeway than others because of the relationship of SSC with the board, but. . .in general, this is something that holds, and is important for the purpose of having honest discussions on these things. Folks can prefer others to behave this way or that way, but this is really board policy. Just want to make that clear.

To Batfan's post, clearly criticisms of Rainman are not off-limits, since they go on all the time, including in Iminime threads where he has done sculpts for them.

However, I do think the expectations of Rainman should make "photorealistic" sculpts is not a rational expectation collectors should hold. He just doesn't always do this. Sometimes he gets a better likeness, sometimes, as pointed out previously, the sculpts are more off, but seem to share some common stylistic elements that distinguish them as Rainman's work vs., say, Erick Sosa or Rocco or Grove or Serang or whomever. And this is part of it being art, and not a 3-D sculpt captured using little computer nodes on an actor's face.

I would say that on balance, it's about a 50/50 chance folks are going to get really accurate sculpts with Rainman, and it is a total crap shoot. So, of course you can be disappointed about it, but to have expectations to that effect goes against the evidence out there. Blondie, Tuco, Durden, Alex, Stansfield, Dexter, Pee-Wee, Jules, Tony Soprano, Ra's al Ghul, Lector, this guy--they all are pretty widely accepted as having less than "photorealistic" sculpts. If you can dig and appreciate them for what they are, then I would say that makes you a Rainman fan. If not, then I would suggest you are a fan of quality, accurate figures, including those that are sometimes made by Rainman, but not always. No shame there. But maybe it would be helpful if folks recognized this fact and stopped feeling like it is the end of the world when Rainman does what he frequently does, and supplies us with a stylized sculpt. The criticisms are also fine, but I think they should be couched in an understanding that this is really Rainman's kind of method and product, and always has been as long as his site has been up.

If you want to say that he doesn't evolve in terms of his sculpting style, then that's fair enough, but he's got his own thing going. There are other artists out there that stick to a common and accepted form, and they are accepted for that, so I'm not sure that he really needs to evolve in this sense. Maybe that drives some artists, but not others. And I think that's a'aight.

Nail. on. head.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

Anyone has a right to criticize anyone selling something through this forum (using free publicity and marketing in the process) to the extent they want to, so long as it is not overly disrespectful. There are a few exceptions with SSC artists where there is less leeway than others because of the relationship of SSC with the board, but. . .in general, this is something that holds, and is important for the purpose of having honest discussions on these things. Folks can prefer others to behave this way or that way, but this is really board policy. Just want to make that clear.

To Batfan's post, clearly criticisms of Rainman are not off-limits, since they go on all the time, including in Iminime threads where he has done sculpts for them.

However, I do think the expectations of Rainman should make "photorealistic" sculpts is not a rational expectation collectors should hold. He just doesn't always do this. Sometimes he gets a better likeness, sometimes, as pointed out previously, the sculpts are more off, but seem to share some common stylistic elements that distinguish them as Rainman's work vs., say, Erick Sosa or Rocco or Grove or Serang or whomever. And this is part of it being art, and not a 3-D sculpt captured using little computer nodes on an actor's face.

I would say that on balance, it's about a 50/50 chance folks are going to get really accurate sculpts with Rainman, and it is a total crap shoot. So, of course you can be disappointed about it, but to have expectations to that effect goes against the evidence out there. Blondie, Tuco, Durden, Alex, Stansfield, Dexter, Pee-Wee, Jules, Tony Soprano, Ra's al Ghul, Lector, this guy--they all are pretty widely accepted as having less than "photorealistic" sculpts. If you can dig and appreciate them for what they are, then I would say that makes you a Rainman fan. If not, then I would suggest you are a fan of quality, accurate figures, including those that are sometimes made by Rainman, but not always. No shame there. But maybe it would be helpful if folks recognized this fact and stopped feeling like it is the end of the world when Rainman does what he frequently does, and supplies us with a stylized sculpt. The criticisms are also fine, but I think they should be couched in an understanding that this is really Rainman's kind of method and product, and always has been as long as his site has been up.

If you want to say that he doesn't evolve in terms of his sculpting style, then that's fair enough, but he's got his own thing going. There are other artists out there that stick to a common and accepted form, and they are accepted for that, so I'm not sure that he really needs to evolve in this sense. Maybe that drives some artists, but not others. And I think that's a'aight.

That's fine, but again, why should every artist need to follow that same philosophy? And who are you to say anything is holding him back as an artist? Maybe he thinks his newer works are more fulfilling forms of expression than anything he's done before.

Perhaps you're right, but, going back a page, and seeing that post about IMINIME being on their third Pitt sculpt, I haven't seen anyone say that it isn't necessary because the artist responsible for it was simply "using his or her own style." As for the latter part, I'm just someone with an opinion that, while it could be completely off base, is, nevertheless, my own.
 
Re: Rainman Artwork 2013 NYC Cabbie "God's Lonely Man"

Anyone has a right to criticize anyone selling something through this forum (using free publicity and marketing in the process) to the extent they want to, so long as it is not overly disrespectful. There are a few exceptions with SSC artists where there is less leeway than others because of the relationship of SSC with the board, but. . .in general, this is something that holds, and is important for the purpose of having honest discussions on these things. Folks can prefer others to behave this way or that way, but this is really board policy. Just want to make that clear.

To Batfan's post, clearly criticisms of Rainman are not off-limits, since they go on all the time, including in Iminime threads where he has done sculpts for them.

However, I do think the expectations of Rainman should make "photorealistic" sculpts is not a rational expectation collectors should hold. He just doesn't always do this. Sometimes he gets a better likeness, sometimes, as pointed out previously, the sculpts are more off, but seem to share some common stylistic elements that distinguish them as Rainman's work vs., say, Erick Sosa or Rocco or Grove or Serang or whomever. And this is part of it being art, and not a 3-D sculpt captured using little computer nodes on an actor's face.

I would say that on balance, it's about a 50/50 chance folks are going to get really accurate sculpts with Rainman, and it is a total crap shoot. So, of course you can be disappointed about it, but to have expectations to that effect goes against the evidence out there. Blondie, Tuco, Durden, Alex, Stansfield, Dexter, Pee-Wee, Jules, Tony Soprano, Ra's al Ghul, Lector, this guy--they all are pretty widely accepted as having less than "photorealistic" sculpts. If you can dig and appreciate them for what they are, then I would say that makes you a Rainman fan. If not, then I would suggest you are a fan of quality, accurate figures, including those that are sometimes made by Rainman, but not always. No shame there. But maybe it would be helpful if folks recognized this fact and stopped feeling like it is the end of the world when Rainman does what he frequently does, and supplies us with a stylized sculpt. The criticisms are also fine, but I think they should be couched in an understanding that this is really Rainman's kind of method and product, and always has been as long as his site has been up.

If you want to say that he doesn't evolve in terms of his sculpting style, then that's fair enough, but he's got his own thing going. There are other artists out there that stick to a common and accepted form, and they are accepted for that, so I'm not sure that he really needs to evolve in this sense. Maybe that drives some artists, but not others. And I think that's a'aight.

Excellent post Kara could not agree more :)
 
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