Rainman Artwork 2013 Pulp Fiction Project 2- Jules the Shepard

[Ajkhunter]

.....and the J chain. Fullset item is the J chain. Look at the listing.
That cup should be offered across the board. H&C is light without it.

... I know that's what I'm saying...

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Bad Mutha Wallet should look more like this. The font is also better, it actually looks stitched in and is legible. This isn't even professional work and in all honesty it looks better :

Rainman's needs to be a bit more leathery tan, that peel away font is terrible. Even the shape of the wallet itself is off. These things need to be thought out better.

 

[Entropy]

one's in yellow light the other white. not saying you're wrong, RM's could perhaps be a tad redder, but those pics aren't representative color temps for either. I agree the font should be better and bolder for RM's. The edges of the letters aren't crisp and are missing in parts of the M, O, R, F, C, K, maybe because the texture of the material is interfering with the ink stamping? The square box imprint (edges of the stamp?) around the words is also a drag.

Magnus, your thoughts? Worth mentioning to the man?

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

one's in yellow light the other white. not saying you're wrong, RM's could perhaps be a tad redder, but those pics aren't representative color temps for either. I agree the font should be better and bolder for RM's. The edges of the letters aren't crisp and are missing in parts of the M, O, R, F, C, K, maybe because the texture of the material is interfering with the ink stamping? The square box imprint (edges of the stamp?) around the words is also a drag.

Magnus, your thoughts? Worth mentioning to the man?

This
The shape of the wallet itself is off.

 

[PopCultKid]

Agreed on the wallet. It could be more of a "tobacco" color and the font should be bigger to take up more surface space.

99% sure you get the J chain for the separate dork clothes. Would really ruin the idea of even selling them if there's no J chain.

It really wouldn't make any sense to do that. I highly doubt that the J is excluded in any of the dork sets.

 

[PopCultKid]

Oh, by no means was I comparing Rainman's figure value with iminime or Hot Toys. I was comparing Rainman to Rainman since you can't compare figures of different characters fairly!

I was comparing H&C value with Full sets for this release only. And of course I have to give assumptions... but I tried to explain each one clearly. I honestly believe them to be conservative assumptions... but you can just adjust the numbers to your taste and see which Rainman option works best for you! And yes I assume people want the full set items when considering the full set... since they're PAYING for it. Now... you can say I place a premium on the "specialness" of the RM paint job... but if you look at the math, you'll find I didn't even give a $1 value in the pricing. Resale value factors were only talked about in the conclusion, and I never used resale value as a determinant in the price difference. On the EB body... Uhh.... $75 was the going rate for it... I don't see how that's a jacked up eBay price as that's how much it was going for on the commerce forums here.

I'm not trying to say the Full Sets are a must have... I'm just disagreeing that the H&C are an "absolute" steal compared to the other options. They're definitely excellent value if you don't have any value in the fullset exclusives or the dork clothing.

I got the Jules body from ToyAnxiety for around $50, but was really pointing out that this is an example of the Rainman body being more expensive than usual. I think the Jules fullset is a slightly better deal than usual for that, and the fact that the fullset seems to have 2 accessories the head/outfit version doesn't get. But typically, you are looking around $500 for a head/outfit set (including body--could go up with future releases as Pop said) vs. $820 for a full set. Put all that other stuff I mentioned aside (including resale value), and the head/outfit set is nearly 40% less, for a different paint job, not getting it put together, and losing a (usually non-essential) fullset accessory. I think that is a comparative steal, but reasonable people can disagree on that.

I was calling it a steal because of the current (and historic) price point and difference from the FS. Again, RM said that he's been letting the 1/2 sets go underpriced forever. When (if) he ups them the 100-120 bucks that he mentioned and closes that gap a little between the FS and H&C, then all sets will be worth the money respectively. That will balance the scale perfectly. Thus far H&C'ers have been getting a steal of a deal at this price point.

 

[karamazov80]

That's basically my point. I think it is under priced vis-a-vis his own full sets, or really most other 1/6 scale stuff on the market, and I have surely capitalized on that. A better example than the Pulp Fiction guys is something like Anton. Look at all the nifty stuff you got for "just" $450. If he raises the price $100 on them or so though, then I may not go for the H+C sets anymore. At a certain point, in my mind, it goes from "really good relative deal" to an "OK deal," and at that point I'm not sure I will be able to ignore all those benefits of getting a full Rainman set.

I have also assumed the J-chain comes with the dork clothes.

 

[rhaykal]

That's basically my point. I think it is under priced vis-a-vis his own full sets, or really most other 1/6 scale stuff on the market, and I have surely capitalized on that. A better example than the Pulp Fiction guys is something like Anton. Look at all the nifty stuff you got for "just" $450. If he raises the price $100 on them or so though, then I may not go for the H+C sets anymore. At a certain point, in my mind, it goes from "really good relative deal" to an "OK deal," and at that point I'm not sure I will be able to ignore all those benefits of getting a full Rainman set.

I have also assumed the J-chain comes with the dork clothes.

The J-chain does come with the dork set. I ordered the H+C set and the dork set, so I know the only thing I will not be getting is the wallet (which I'm kinda bummed about), the body, and the Man's paintjob (which also sucks, but I've been quite impressed with Aeon's paint jobs as I've gotten those on the last 2 RM figures).

 

[PopCultKid]

Oh, so we've been in agreement the whole time

 

[karamazov80]

Honestly, putting aside the "brand" aspect, I would take Aeon's paintwork as soon as I would take Rainman's.

Oh, so we've been in agreement the whole time

On that issue. But you still won't go for head/outfit sets at their current price, right? I guess my earlier point was simply that some of us who are satisfied with the head/outfit stuff don't feel as much of a reason to be upset about his not attending to various collectors' demands. But yeah, if I was shelling out upwards of $950 after shipping for these things, and was doing that consistently, I might also agree with some of those complaints. It is a lot of money to be putting down for something that folks may not be fully behind. When you're paying, essentially, for 2 Hot Toys figures, my mentality is that I'm just happy to be getting the awesome stuff Rainman does put out--great figures with top notch outfits and accessories, frequently excellent sculpts, and first rate paint apps of iconic characters from films I love that major companies won't touch--and I don't feel like I deserve anything more than what he offers and I pay for.

 

[IKE-CON]

Editorial

I have not read this much bickering over a RM release...ever.

Again, plain and simple...If unhappy with the
release or items in the release or the artist...don't buy it.

This is RM's income, if he isn't getting paid, then he'll take
a much harder look at the next release. No extra bickering needed.
If he doesn't sell out everything, does that not send a message?

On the flip side.....

Something we may have forgotten; he is an artist and this is his take on the Pulp Fiction
figures..not ours. If you take that way, what have we accomplished?

Also, none of us paid commission/production/developement cost to have these figures made, technically,
we have no right to try to dictate what the final product is.
So we're lucky RM takes in any input at all, but yet we continue
to push.

It seems we just take a lot of these things for granted or don't
give them any thought at all. Rather, we expect the contrary.
That everything we say should be done and done with haste.
Because this is my grail and it needs to be this way so no
tact needed on my part.

But when does it become too much bickering?
Will it be enough when the artist goes away for good?

And this is where you'll hear things like; he can't go away,
he has to make Gary Oldman Dracula, he has to make Bickle.......

NO, he doesn't. And I wouldn't blame him either.

I've seen it happen. Pretty soon the offers from the majors
look much more appealing then trying to please everyone, everytime.
And we are a very hard group to please, thats for sure.

So careful what you bicker for...it may be the nail in the coffin
for future RM figures.

I'm not saying don't make suggestions,
but maybe, send or PM them to one person who can filter them
so it's less offesnsive to an artist.

Or.........

Headline: Hot Toys snatches up another great artist: Rainman now
under contract working next to Kojun.

No, it's not a fact..but it could be if we're not to careful

So take a minute and read this several times before
you fire away. Then you just might see, I'm may not be so far off the mark.


(This is an editorial and doesn't necessarily reflect the opinions of this board or its other members.
So even though its pretty spot on, it will still get flamed by many..lol)

 

[karamazov80]

I don't know if this is the worst I've seen a Rainman thread get, but it's up there. It seems like that sentiment you're referring to--treating Rainman like he's doing glorified mass commissions and not his own thing--has been growing and growing with each subsequent release. I've commented on this for, oh, years now and I'm sure it all comes off like a broken record, but I do think there is some value in the genuine artistic quality Rainman brings to this, and I think there are limits to how much folks should be demanding that this or that should be changed from what Rainman envisions and produces. Otherwise, what about it is really an art creation anymore? The artistic and commercial pressures must be really tricky for him to wade through though.

 

[drdandalek]

I really love the Jules figure though I agree that around the eyes it is a little off. Neat figure with cool accessories. Not $950 cool but cool. I don't think there's any chance of Rainman going to work for anyone else. He's making $35000 US, at least, per release. That's US dollars. Exchange rate puts that about 2.5 times in Korea. I can't imagine any toy company paying him anything near that per figure. His figures are so cool but I would definitely agree with the sentiment that when you pay this much for a figure, you want what you pay for. Every artist on this forum shows their work and takes constructive criticism to meet the customers needs and change things. Just like proofreading where a different set of eyes can show mistakes. I don't see Rainman being any different. The customer is always right. Especially when you pay this much and he makes this much.

 

[marlindesign]

No, it's not a fact..but it could be if we're not to careful

too has a double 'o'

 

[Cap'n Cook]

Fullset and H&C sets available.

 

[Hydeous]

Just you wait when rainman uploaded the revised sculpt pics. All those will be gone and folks are going to regret cancelling on these.

 

[TotalDominAsian]

Lots of things can become facts. I think you're too paranoid about losing Rainman, hence the long editorial. He's making top dollar selling to us, and I truly don't see too many people bashing Jules too harshly. I'm 90% sure the updated head will make everyone happy!!

Nobody is bashing Rainman himself... Well... One did before getting banned lol! People are just trying to voice their opinions in this forum.

 

[DarthMagnus]

Less than 24 hours till the reveal!!!!

 

[Greeny400]

Less than 24 hours till the reveal!!!!

Awesome! Very much looking forward to it

 

[Hydeous]

Less than 24 hours till the reveal!!!!

Which reveal is that, mag?