Rainman project: Overlook Caretaker

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Also, looking at the twin sculpt which I think is supposed to be the girl who stands on the right side, I think that what takes away a bit from the likeness is that Rainman sculpted the ends of the hair straight and flat.

If Rainman could Add more curls at the bottom of the hair on the right side of the hair, it will draw out a much stronger likeness, look better and reflect more accurately the look they had in the film. Either way, I'm hopeful that Rainman will have the good sense to add the curls for the other twin sculpt. Just because they're twins doesn't mean the ends of the hair are exactly the same.

If it's possible, then hopefully the ear whispers working with rainman on this can pass along this advice and at the very least ask him to take a second look at it before it's too late to make these subtle changes.

 

[Hydeous]

I think Rainman will use the same head for the twins.

Any pics of the actual boots screen prop.?

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

The boots are hard to find. Other than screencaps from the film I haven't seen any other clear pictures of the boots. I wish I could pinpoint what type/make of construction boots he was wearing for that time, I know they are not timberlands though.

As for the twin sculpt....Can you suggest to him that adding a small subtle difference like the curls at the bottom of the right side of one of the twins will distinguish twin 1 from twin 2. It's important that the likeness looks the same so it makes sense to use the same likeness he sculpted but I think it's important he doesn't make the mistake of using the sculpt in the exact same way. If he were to change just how the bottom of the hair falls, just the bottom of the hair not the part or anything else up top, than it will give of the illusion of twins as opposed to it looking like just having doubles of the same figure. Adding the subtle curls for one of the girls will help out tremendously because the hair does not lay the same way for both girls.

Hydeous, maybe you can try and point this out to Rainman. Likeness aside, there has to be some subtle differences that will make it feel like twin 1 and twin 2 instead of it looking like two of the same exact figure.

 

[The Danger]

Well, one twin has larger bags under her eyes and a thinner/shorter head. Her hair is also pulled a little further back on her forehead. I'd say he's working on the twin on the left right now.

 

[CRM 114]

Its the illusion of how the light is hitting them. The one one the left is leaning into the top light more going passed her marks thus cutting off the light more and making the darker shadow silhouetting her eyes more. You can see the shadow just under her neck line more than the right twin

 

[Leon 911]

Brilliant observation!!!

Its the illusion of how the light is hitting them. The one one the left is leaning into the top light more going passed her marks thus cutting off the light more and making the darker shadow silhouetting her eyes more. You can see the shadow just under her neck line more than the right twin

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[CRM 114]

It helps that lighting is what I do for a living on set.
But thanks
Kind of like cheating I guess
Lol
Really looking forward to this whole set

 

[Leon 911]

No - it's very imp what you brought forward - many a wrong suggestion do damage to the accuracy aspect ... Expert views are expert views and help course correct improper suggestions!

It helps that lighting is what I do for a living on set.
But thanks
Kind of like cheating I guess
Lol
Really looking forward to this whole set

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[turbo.VS.ozone]

Its the illusion of how the light is hitting them. The one one the left is leaning into the top light more going passed her marks thus cutting off the light more and making the darker shadow silhouetting her eyes more. You can see the shadow just under her neck line more than the right twin

Lighting is not really the issue because this is not nitpicking the likeness....they are twins so likeness must be the same. It's important to point out the subtle differences in how their hair is positioned. Both have the same style part and bonnet but twin 1 has tight curls at the ends of the right side of her hair, while twin 2's lay with a bit of a wave to it with a flip at the end. It's important to add that subtle difference in order to distinguish twin 1 from twin 2 if Rainman is going to use the same exact sculpt/likeness, otherwise it will look like doubles of the exact same figure instead of twins. It's a weird concept but if you see any picture, drawing, illustration of the twins, one always has the subtle curls at end of the right side of her hair and the other has that wavey flip!

All Rainman has to do is add a subtle curl to the right side of one of those sculpts.....only on the right side of the hair for one of the sculpts.
It'd be nice to see if Rainman has the good eye/sense to catch and add that subtle detail.

Kubrick's purpose for using the twins was a symbolic metaphor for "Laugh Now, Cry Later" which is why he has one girl smiling and the other girl frowning in the film. Unless Rainman sculpts a smile on one girl and a frown on the other (which he's probably not going to do ) the hair is the best cue for distinguishing that subtle aspect....curls for the smile, flip for the frown.

This is why it's important and why Rainman should consider it when sculpting.

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It was an amazing idea he had to go ahead and do the twins in the first place, so a big applause to him for that

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Identical Twins, Roselle, New Jersey, 1967 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Identical Twins depicts two young twin sisters, Cathleen and Colleen Wade, standing side by side in matching corduroy dresses, white tights, and white headbands in their dark hair. Both stare into the camera, one slightly smiles and the other slightly frowns. The parallelism and haunting nature of the photo has been the subject of many essays.[citation needed] The photo has been said to sum up Arbus’ vision. Biographer Patricia Bosworth said, "She was involved in the question of identity. Who am I and who are you? The twin image expresses the crux of that vision: normality in freakishness and the freakishness in normality."

The photo has also inspired other art. Most notably, it is said to be echoed in Stanley Kubrick's famous 1980 surrealist horror film The Shining, which features sisters in identical dress and pose. It is also briefly referenced in Harmony Korine's Gummo and in an episode of the television series Psych: "The Old and The Restless." In 2004, a print of the photo was sold at Sotheby's in New York for $478,000.[3] It is also one of a set of recreated iconic portraits through photographic history by the photographer Sandro Miller using John Malkovich as the actor in each portrait."

 

[marlindesign]

Has Rainman said he will be using the exact same sculpt and just doing 2 of them????
Or are you basing that off all his twins he has sculpted in the past?
How about we give him some credit and actually think he is making them different enough...

 

[Lakhota]

Has Rainman said he will be using the exact same sculpt and just doing 2 of them????
Or are you basing that of all his twins he has sculpted in the past?
How about we give him some credit and actually think he is making them different enough...

 

[karamazov80]

Well I think the comment came from Hydeous, who visited Rainman in person recently, saw some of the in-progress work and presumably discussed the project with him.

 

[Levit05]

hydeous stated that he "thought" RM was using the same headsculpt for both sculpts...nothing solid but that small detail in distinguishing the twins would actually be VERY epic...like...very VERY epic....

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

It surprises me how so many people don't catch those subliminals and metaphors from a Stanley Kubrick film. Maybe it's a New York thing how "us natives" see and read between the lines .....Stanley Kubrick was from the Bronx.

I'm excited about this project. The scope of it and collaborative effort it's taking to make it happen is very interesting and special. We just need to get some of those subliminals hidden in the work



Hydeous,
After watching the scene of the twins in the film, I'm convinced that what takes away from the sculpt is definately the bottom ends of the hair and the way that it's sculpted. It's a strange nitpick, but if Rainman looks at just that part of it, then looks at the scene screencap of the twins in the film, he'll notice it as well. If he remedies it a bit..it will be for the best.

 

[Phine1]

Lol. Ya Turbo. Only people from the bronx can use their brains to read between the lines. "Thinking? its a bronx thing." Lol.

Let Lee make his artwork. You see 1 wip of one twin and theres like 2 pages of you saying how rainmans gonna let us down and screw it up. Have a little faith in Lee perhaps??

 

[DarthMagnus]

Come play with us Danny.......

 

[cmiller99]

I'm sorry, I'm late to the party. Have there been any pictures of this figure posted yet?

 

[robbiethepainter]

Just parts. We wont see completed pics probably till right before the pre order date.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Lol. Ya Turbo. Only people from the bronx can use their brains to read between the lines. "Thinking? its a bronx thing." Lol.

Let Lee make his artwork. You see 1 wip of one twin and theres like 2 pages of you saying how rainmans gonna let us down and screw it up. Have a little faith in Lee perhaps??

C'mon man seriously? Get off it man. It wasn't intended for anyone directly....don't feel that way, it's a general comment but if you can't see that then you really can't read between the lines . Can a brother just speak his mind and share some insight though? Nothing remotely negative was said here, just some opinion and a look at things I see that are important that could be missed. Just looking at it with a fresh pair of eyes. Don't make the suggestion look like its some kind of viscious attack on his work. We're passionate about his work that's why we comment or advise or make a suggestion. It's what we do in a Rainman thread phine1. We've been doing it probably before you even knew who Rainman or his artworks were. Let's not turn this the wrong way because than my good suggestions will be drowned out by your drama and I don't want that, just let it be. Ok?

Let's get back to talking about the project.