Rainman project: Overlook Caretaker

[greatlakes6]

Robbie, I appreciate the input. I relate what you are saying to my Danbury and Franlklin Mint 1/24 diecast collection. It is really hard to get the paint right when scaled down to 1/24, especially with metallic and pearl. Some would complain that the color was slightly off, but to me, the scale was more important.

I will give my opinion on some of those things that I think people often don't know or understand.
The likeness issue people often complain about when it comes to heads can at times be over simplified. As a viewer it can be easy to say this part is off. Or this needs to be corrected. There are some amazing sculptors here and in this hobby and all of them can be hit or miss on likeness. Depends on the lighting, angle and many other factors. People often attribute the lack of correction to the sculptors interest when I would guess its more about skill and concern to not mess it up trying to change something.
In regards to the clothing. There is only a finite supply of fabric that will work in this scale especially if its the custom market. It's not like painting where you can just mix a different color. And this scale doesn't lend itself to what the fashion industrial wants so the fact that some of these amazing tailors can offer what they do still baffles me. Unless you live in one of the coast cities, its ****ing hard to find stuff that will work. My guess is they are using what they feel will be the best scale fabric first and then getting the color second. If you look at the amateur customs you will often see this in reverse. Color then scale. And it shows in the quality.
There is never going to be a perfect representation in any thing. I often change the scale in props because sometimes when they are done by the math, they look odd. So I take liberties to make them look "right."
Just an opinion.

 

[Ajkhunter]

Surprised this has been shown already:




Ignore it if it was haha.

 

[chubbyman]

Two part release makes sense with the trike numbers being passed around. Maybe twins and Danny will be sold like Lucy. [emoji482]

I hope not...id like to get everything in one swoop.

 

[Lakhota]

Bro I nailed it !!!!

 

[Leon 911]

Rainmans new project: Overlook Caretaker

You missed some details. The arm sleeves for both twins are not exactly identical. The frill on the left arm on the right twin was made by two threads vs the other frills that were stitched with one thread each. The seamstress had to change the thread as the thread broke due to unexplained and eerie circumstances. i think those thread nuances are not coming out accurately in your picture!

You must start all over again [emoji174] also notice that one twin had a more shampoo + conditioner look and one had only a shampoo look (that too Costco shampoo) so you must bring those aspects out as well!

Bro I nailed it !!!!


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[Commtech]

Hahahahahaha!! Nailed it, Leon!

 

[Rdeezy]

I will give my opinion on some of those things that I think people often don't know or understand.
The likeness issue people often complain about when it comes to heads can at times be over simplified. As a viewer it can be easy to say this part is off. Or this needs to be corrected. There are some amazing sculptors here and in this hobby and all of them can be hit or miss on likeness. Depends on the lighting, angle and many other factors. People often attribute the lack of correction to the sculptors interest when I would guess its more about skill and concern to not mess it up trying to change something.
In regards to the clothing. There is only a finite supply of fabric that will work in this scale especially if its the custom market. It's not like painting where you can just mix a different color. And this scale doesn't lend itself to what the fashion industrial wants so the fact that some of these amazing tailors can offer what they do still baffles me. Unless you live in one of the coast cities, its ****ing hard to find stuff that will work. My guess is they are using what they feel will be the best scale fabric first and then getting the color second. If you look at the amateur customs you will often see this in reverse. Color then scale. And it shows in the quality.
There is never going to be a perfect representation in any thing. I often change the scale in props because sometimes when they are done by the math, they look odd. So I take liberties to make them look "right."
Just an opinion.

Couldn't have said it better Robbie! Especially about the clothing,
I agree I think its first about the correct scale fabric over the spot on color, I'd rather see a great scaled looking fabric over a 100% color match. Some forget these are 1:6 scale clothes and the fabric choices while im sure pretty large are still nowhere near the 1:1 options, so tailors have to go with as close as possible in most cases.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Couldn't have said it better Robbie! Especially about the clothing,
I agree I think its first about the correct scale fabric over the spot on color, I'd rather see a great scaled looking fabric over a 100% color match. Some forget these are 1:6 scale clothes and the fabric choices while im sure pretty large are still nowhere near the 1:1 options, so tailors have to go with as close as possible in most cases.

I can't really say I agree 100% with this statement. When I see I guy like Beto who runs an infinitely smaller operation than Rainman's do 1/6 clothing mixing different materials like wool, leather, silk, cotton and is still able to both color match it and have it tailored to scale and it looks great and it reacts great to movement, I am not completely convinced that this about scale over color argument can always be applied.

I respect Robbie's opinion and expertise in these areas but this argument was also used to defend Yunsil's choice of both fabric and color for Bill v2 coat and I think that they could have sourced a much better material and more accurate color because the coats we got were completely off in both departments. In fact I'd like to see an Iris version of the Bill V2 clothing set attempted just to prove that point.

 

[Rdeezy]

I can't really say I agree 100% with this statement. When I see I guy like Beto runs an infinitely smaller operation than Rainman's do 1/6 clothing mixing different materials like wool, leather, silk, cotton and is still able to both color match it and have it tailored to scale, I am not completely convinced that this about scale over color argument can always be applied.

Not in all cases but for most 1:6 clothing, I'm not sure if an 100% accurate color is available.
Take Bill V2 jacket for example, that might've been the closest she could get to the right color out of her stock of 1:6 suitable material.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Where she sources her fabric is a different matter I suppose, but if it's from china then I don't see how she wasn't able to get a proper swatch of material. What we got looks like a terry cloth bathrobe and is an almost bright red. I see this and than I see a speckled tweed suit she did for Plainview which was outstanding and say to myself....somthing isn't adding up here.

It's going to be interesting how they approach the twins dress which has a lace element to it and is a Tiffany Blue, which I know is going to be impossible for them to color match but I hope I'm wrong about it. I'm going to be blown away if they get that proper color.

As for Jack, the Cordoroy burgundy jacket, the Lee jeans with that work in wash, the plaid shirt. It's going to be interesting to see how it comes out. I have faith though because she did a phenomenal Job with the Bickle clothing from the wash of the jeans to the olive colored m-65 and tank jacket. Only thing that was off was the King Kong patch but that was an area not many people cared for......when the should have, ahem.

 

[Rdeezy]

Yeah when it comes to 1:6 suitable fabrics im sure a tweed looking pattern might be easier to find than a dark red coat fabric but idk.

That being said, im pretty sure she will nail the corduroy Torrance jacket

 

[Lakhota]

Rainmans new project: Overlook Caretaker

I know she was sending multiple samples to Shorty and he was showing the suit fabric to us. The thread basically had to sign off on the fabric till it was what everyone wanted. If Lee and her are making the decision on their own the outcome may differ than what the fans would want

 

[chubbyman]

waiting...waiting...

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

I know she was sending multiple samples to Shorty and he was showing the suit fabric to us. The thread basically had to sign off on the fabric till it was what everyone wanted. If Lee and her are making the decision on their own the outcome may differ than what the fans would want

You nailed it right on the head.
It would probably be better if Rainman appointed someone to be involved with working directly with Yunsil on the clothing aspects of these projects so that Rainman can concentrate on the other areas. Someone like Shortround is well suited for that type of thing because he has had great success at communicating with Yunsil what is needed with regard color, material, details and accuracy for clothing. This much is true. Plainview suit is phenomenal, Doc outfit is phenomenal. There's abviously some good channels of communication between the two and her work has not stood out as much as it recently has on these side projects. Rainman probably lets her just have at it and she just does what she does(very good work-not always entirely accurate) in order to keep things moving along because after all it is a business and these aren't your average custom figure/clothing offerings.

My thing is, when I look at these figures I like those moments when you say "wow, I can't believe he got that detail" or "whoa, how was he able to do that at this scale?". For me that's the magic. The great sculpting, lifelike paint apps, tailoring and making sure it's color correct. That's the magic, but I get it....it's easy to say its easy or possible when your not the person actually doing it, so I respect the artists efforts.

 

[chubbyman]

But that's when we start micromanaging Rainman's operations, are we buying an artist's interpretation or a community project? We can offer suggestions to Lee after we see the prototype and it's up to him to decide which suggestions are valid alterations on the costume, but I do not think appointing someone and getting involved in Rainman's creative process is the best solution. It's not like Rainman's project haven't been phenomenal Just cause we have access to communication to his tailor, doesn't mean we should involve ourselves in the creation process in that extent. I have faith in Rainman.

 

[Ajkhunter]

But that's when we start micromanaging Rainman's operations, are we buying an artist's interpretation or a community project? We can offer suggestions to Lee after we see the prototype and it's up to him to decide which suggestions are valid alterations on the costume, but I do not think appointing someone and getting involved in Rainman's creative process is the best solution. It's not like Rainman's project haven't been phenomenal Just cause we have access to communication to his tailor, doesn't mean we should involve ourselves in the creation process in that extent. I have faith in Rainman.

That is a very good point, suggestions are one thing but where do we draw the line. It is a Rainman figure and a lot of what attracts me to his figures is his artistic interpretation, are all the details important, for the most part yes, but the minor details are not always possible, noticeable, or warranted for his figures to be considered a success in my book.

 

[Rdeezy]

Its a fine line there but all we can really do is make suggestions on the outfits once the prototype is shown. Its up to Lee to make the decision from there if anything needs to be changed, in the end we're buying his interpretation

 

[marlindesign]

There are lines there and some think it's ok to cross them. It's not. I find the suggestion actually quite rude and disrespectful... Let an artist be.
If that much involvement is required - put out your own figure with that full control of what is released.

 

[Godfather1408]

There are lines there and some think it's ok to cross them. It's not. I find the suggestion actually quite rude and disrespectful... Let an artist be.
If that much involvement is required - put out your own figure with that full control of what is released.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Its a fine line there but all we can really do is make suggestions on the outfits once the prototype is shown. Its up to Lee to make the decision from there if anything needs to be changed, in the end we're buying his interpretation

That would be ideal. Unfortunately we don't get many WIP pictures anymore because suggestions or opinions are taken way too personal and the conversation starts to take a drastic turn for the worst. Good feedback and suggestions are turned into some kind of philosophical discourse and drama, defending things like an "artists interpretation" or how disrespectful an opinion is to an artists work. This isn't the 1960's Avant Garde movement here. I, like most collectors just want a product that's as accurate as possible an "interpretation" of the subject matter. I suspect that's what drew alot of people initially to Rainman artworks in the first place. It's the reason why so many of the major toy companies have invested so much time and effort in improving the details and getting it as close as possible. Only a hypocrite would say that detail accuracy isn't the foundation of 1:6. The concept is supposed to be lifelike miniaturization. Accuracy components like color are an important part of that formula and critique in any form is a natural part of the process. If an "artist" doesn't have the thick skin to accept it as part of the process (speaking in general) when an object is being made with the intent purpose of being sold to public, than the term "art" should not be thrown around as loosely as it is used around here for a 1/6 custom figure product. He sculpts and paints and puts forth talent that tries to make these products look as lifelike and I'm assuming as accurate to the subject matter as possible.

At the end of the day, these are just suggestions and opinions that in most cases are put forth with the good intention to help a custom figure maker prepare themselves with proper reference material and information, take another look at the work, maybe add a missed detail, or improve upon somthing that adds to the quality of the product. No one is being physically forced to do anything, only to listen to suggestions. Most of the time it falls on deaf ears anyways, but when some of these suggestions are considered, it usually makes for a better product and a much happier and loyal customer base.