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How can they do that...freeing people? If the machines still need humans and the humans still want to free people...doesn't that create a problem all over again? If i need something to exist, and you and your friends are going to keep trying to take it away from me, we're going to have a problem eventually, so doesn't that just continue the cycle of humans vs machines?
Not really, if the humans and the machines manage to coexist, as the machines wanted initially, they could find another way for both to coexist, that's up to the future.

I don't want to ruin if it you haven't watched the animatrix, you should, it explains a lot, it's not really "extended stuff" as I initially said, it's intended to go along with the movies.


Something not involving Smith and the deal. I know you think that fighting the evil machines and freeing all humans is lame, and it's predictable and obvious, but that's what Neo and Morpheus promised me. :monkey2
Yes, before knowing the Machines aren't really evil.

I really don't see how the machines just want to coexist. To me, they were no different than Skynet, but even if they want to coexist, how is that going to happen when the humans are trying to wake more people? There's a conflict of interest.
Again, Animatrix.

And they don't want to coexist, they wanted to coexist, the humans ****ed that up, and it's up to the humans to reach that state with the machines again, it's a fascinating scenario of AI/Humanity future conflict imo.

The movie doesn't have to feed the "then what?" to you, Neo managed to bring change and a chance to humanity, it's up to humanity to figure it out from then on.

Traitor!!! :cuss *cries while saying it like Kylo Ren*
You need a teacher!

"The Matrix" is Star Trek .
Its sequels are Star Wars PT.
:)
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He.... He didn't get it.
 
Yes, before knowing the Machines aren't really evil.

When do they find out in the film that the machines aren't evil? Is that in the Animatrix?


Not really, if the humans and the machines manage to coexist, as the machines wanted initially, they could find another way for both to coexist, that's up to the future.

I don't want to ruin if it you haven't watched the animatrix, you should, it explains a lot, it's not really "extended stuff" as I initially said, it's intended to go along with the movies.

Again, Animatrix.

And they don't want to coexist, they wanted to coexist, the humans ****ed that up, and it's up to the humans to reach that state with the machines again, it's a fascinating scenario of AI/Humanity future conflict imo.

Maybe I don't remember because it was mentioned in the film, but you keep bringing up the Animatrix, but don't you think that information is vital to the story, and it should be in the film? Because, I had no idea that the machines wanted to coexist, knowing that changes everything and it makes the humans the villains, but that's not how it comes across in the actual film. In the film it looks like the machines are evil, and the poor humans are the victims. If that's the case, then it's a flaw to keep such an important piece of the history outside of the film.
 
When do they find out in the film that the machines aren't evil? Is that in the Animatrix?
Yes, and it's hinted in various occasions throughout the trilogy. Like when Morpheus says: "No one knows who started the war, but we do know it was us who fried up the sky."

Maybe I don't remember because it was mentioned in the film, but you keep bringing up the Animatrix, but don't you think that information is vital to the story, and it should be in the film? Because, I had no idea that the machines wanted to coexist, knowing that changes everything and it makes the humans the villains, but that's not how it comes across in the actual film. In the film it looks like the machines are evil, and the poor humans are the victims. If that's the case, then it's a flaw to keep such an important piece of the history outside of the film.
It's not vital to the story, everything you need to know about the story is in the story, and it shouldn't be in the movies because it's outside of the scope of any of the characters.

It's backstory, it deepens your understanding of the universe but it's not needed to tell the story that's being told, about Neo, the Matrix and Zion, and all the themes the movies handle, the story still clicks together without skipping beats without this information.

Besides, this isn't like some obscure SW EU comicbook, the Animatrix is intended to go along the movies, it's just another part of the trilogy and it was written by the Wachowskis as part of the "canon" of the movies.
 
Yes, and it's hinted in various occasions throughout the trilogy. Like when Morpheus says: "No one knows who started the war, but we do know it was us who fried up the sky."

Oh, come on...stretching

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that entire sequence shows the machines as the villains, growing humans in fields, and turning us in to....*Morpheus holds battery.* It's exposition, and we learn what we need to know about their world, but it clearly makes the machines look like the villains with the humans living scared underground.


It's not vital to the story, everything you need to know about the story is in the story, and it shouldn't be in the movies because it's outside of the scope of any of the characters.

It's backstory, it deepens your understanding of the universe but it's not needed to tell the story that's being told, about Neo, the Matrix and Zion, and all the themes the movies handle, the story still clicks together without skipping beats without this information.

It doesn't matter if their intention was to show the machines as the villains, which is how I initially saw it, but if what you said is the true and it is,

"they wanted to coexist, the humans ****ed that up, and it's up to the humans to reach that state with the machines again, it's a fascinating scenario of AI/Humanity future conflict imo.
The movie doesn't have to feed the "then what?" to you, Neo managed to bring change and a chance to humanity, it's up to humanity to figure it out from then on."

then it changes the whole story and how you view the ending and what's to come. Not having that extra information makes it look like Neo helped the evil machines to bring temporary peace to save Zion. The message of humans becoming better and wanting to coexist with the machines and all that doesn't come across in the film...if that was the whole point of Neo's sacrifice, so yes, I do think it affects how people view the film, the machines, and Neo's sacrifice. That little extra information makes the machines more tolerant and reasonable, but without it, they look like Skynet.

Besides, this isn't like some obscure SW EU comicbook, the Animatrix is intended to go along the movies, it's just another part of the trilogy and it was written by the Wachowskis as part of the "canon" of the movies.

I get that, there was a video game too, but when I saw the films in theater, all I needed to know was in the film, and the films made the machines look like evil villains and the humans like victims, and that was fine. To me it was a modern take on the Terminator concept of machines taking over, but with computers and Kung Fu.
 
I like True Grit and No Country. Found Big Lebowski highly overrated. O Brother Where Art Thou was alright. Fargo has been on my list for some time.

This one seemed more like O Brother II but boring.
 
I like True Grit and No Country. Found Big Lebowski highly overrated. O Brother Where Art Thou was alright. Fargo has been on my list for some time.

This one seemed more like O Brother II but boring.

Thanks, personally I like All the films you mentioned, especially love Lebowski. Recently their movies (A Serious Man, Inside Llewyn Davis) have been kind of tedious, at least to me.

I'll probably wait for video for this one.
 
I like True Grit and No Country. Found Big Lebowski highly overrated. O Brother Where Art Thou was alright. Fargo has been on my list for some time.

This one seemed more like O Brother II but boring.

Fargo is good, and the Fargo mini series was good too. No Country is probably better or at least I like it more, but Fargo is better than Big Lebowski and O Brother, imo.
 
Steve Jobs - 8/10 - Pretty neat way to do a film. Acting was great, Boyle was Boyle. Left me wanting another act.

The Danish Girl - 8.5/10 - Redmayne edged out Fassbender for the Oscar IMO - DiCaprio will probably get it, though watching him crawl across the Albertan range for 3 hours didn't do it for.

The Revnant - 7/10 - Not as great as I thought it might be. Tom Hardy was fantastic though.
 
SUPERMAN UNBOUND. It's pretty much Supes vs Brainiac with bad@$$ supergirl. I liked this one alot would make a very cool live action film love the end. Give a 8.
 
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