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[GasparZizou]

All the prove I need is the film itself....Predator works best in a Jungle environment, not in a building

But you didn't prove that at all.

I can spoon feed you some P1 scenes. Give me at least ONE scene with Jerry and the chick. You can't.

You don't need to, I remember them perfectly, and I can give you one scene with Jerry and the chick, but I won't, like I said, I'm not gonna spoon feed you any more and even if I did you're not going to recognize it.

Nah, your argument is flawed to begin with.

Saying it doesn't make it true, you have to prove that, and you haven't.

Don't forget...forgettable.

I guess I have eidetic memory or something.

My point is that P1 is about the crew...you know, soldiers in a jungle. And their acting isn't really over the top at all, with plenty of subtle moments, yet they are more memorable.

But I wasn't talking about that, you always do this, you twist the argument and drag the point you twisted into being

What's mediocre? It's not an original sequel, and most great films have quotable dialogue and timeless moments.

You really don't remember the bad lines?

They were resting We never saw them in action, so no way to know.

Convenient.

You are still assuming things about thugs that we know nothing about from a fictional world, using real world knowledge. I can give you the guerilla thing in P1 maybe, because that could be any jungle in Central America and it's not necessarily a fictional world like the L.A. from P2.

Dude, I'm assuming things about a Cartel because of how Cartels ARE you were assuming things about cartles and guerrillas based on what you didn't know about BOTH.

If anything, the fact that LA's violence is exaggerate means the threat level of their thugs should be equally exaggerated. Don't you think?

I told you I didn't like the Predators cast, but at least they went back to basics to a jungle, plus putting different humans with different backgrounds, including serial killers, yakuza guys, prisoners...etc...on an alien planet for the sole purpose of hunting, is more interesting than some Predator in a city killing cops. It's not the most original film, but it was a safe film to restart the franchise after all the bad sequels and AVP films. P2 was just an odd sequel, when they could have expanded that universe and explore other aspects of that universe, but instead we got a fictional L.A. with a Predator fighting cops.

They did not need to explain anything, what they hinted at was more than enough.

I agree about Goku and most characters. I was only talking about Vegeta.

Same.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Oh, you two.

Creed - 78/100. This had potential but the title fight was ridiculous. I couldn't buy Pretty Ricky Conlan as the LHC of the world. Which is funny because the guy who plays him, Tony Bellew, WAS the LHC of the world. Oh, boxing, what happened to you?

Spotlight - 90/100. A little understated and a bit by-the-numbers but it's a story about an issue that needed to be chronicled.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

But you didn't prove that at all.

What, that the film isn't as great as P1? The 25% on RT, the 4.6/10, and 40% fan approval on RT aren't enough?

I thought you were giving up, yet here you are...perhaps this is the ultimate baiting, have you ever thought about that? A bait within a bait within some truth

You don't need to, I remember them perfectly, and I can give you one scene with Jerry and the chick, but I won't, like I said, I'm not gonna spoon feed you any more and even if I did you're not going to recognize it.

I saw the film years ago. I'm sure I'll remember the scene if you say it...go ahead.

Saying it doesn't make it true, you have to prove that, and you haven't.

Film is subjective...but even you agreed at one point that P1 is better, so I'm not just saying it, nor do I need to prove anything anymore. I can make a poll if you like, and we'll see how people view P2 compared to P1.

But I wasn't talking about that, you always do this, you twist the argument and drag the point you twisted into being :lol

Are you calling me a woman?

You really don't remember the bad lines?

In P1? Not that many, but then again Arnie can make good lines sound silly with his accent. Still, even great films have bad lines, it doesn't mean anything.

Convenient.

It's true though.

Dude, I'm assuming things about a Cartel because of how Cartels ARE you were assuming things about cartles and guerrillas based on what you didn't know about BOTH.

Yeah, you assume too much, that's been established. I don't know enough about either group in the films because they don't do much except...get kill. The film doesn't give too much info about them and their skills in P2 aren't anything special.

If anything, the fact that LA's violence is exaggerate means the threat level of their thugs should be equally exaggerated. Don't you think?

We don't know. That's an assumption...you're doing it again.

They did not need to explain anything, what they hinted at was more than enough.

I said explore and and expand the universe...and most people would agree that's a good thing with endless possibilities...just ask NECA But hey...you want alien Jason Vorhees, except even he evolved. I give them credit for at least trying new things.

Same

Still, I'll take him over Superman from the animated series.

 

[rushmore223]

You two are putting more time and effort into arguing about Predator 2 than they put into making it.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You two are putting more time and effort into arguing about Predator 2 than they put into making it.

That's sad

 

[WWEJedi]

The Good Dinosaur - I think this was Pixar's worst movie. I knew what would happen two minutes in.

Citizenfour - Held my attention. Nice documentary. Makes you think....

Bridge of Spies - Great movie that told the story of a previously unknown American Hero that saved close to 10,000 people. Not a movie that I can see myself watching again, nonetheless I enjoyed it.

 

[rushmore223]

The Good Dinosaur - I think this was Pixar's worst movie. I knew what would happen two minutes in.

I'll agree that it's in Pixars shallower end, but the worst? I believe that distinction belongs to Cars and Cars 2.

One thing it does have going for it is the environments, absolutely amazing! They are practically photorealistic.

 

[RIDDICK]

unknown American Hero

Ugh...

 

[GasparZizou]

What, that the film isn't as great as P1? The 25% on RT, the 4.6/10, and 40% fan approval on RT aren't enough?

I thought you were giving up, yet here you are...perhaps this is the ultimate baiting, have you ever thought about that? A bait within a bait within some truth

Not only that's not enough, that's absolutely nothing, appealing to popularity is absolutely nothing and that's what your argument amounts to.

I did give up, I'm no longer trying to discuss with you you're just not willing to discuss. Another time.

I saw the film years ago. I'm sure I'll remember the scene if you say it...go ahead.

Do you really think you're gonna catch me bluffing? There are a couple scenes, not only one, you can stop trying, if you want to know which one it is, watch the movie again, if you miss it again, you missed it, no big deal.

Film is subjective...but even you agreed at one point that P1 is better,

Yeah, so?

so I'm not just saying it, nor do I need to prove anything anymore. I can make a poll if you like, and we'll see how people view P2 compared to P1.

You actually did need to prove a couple things but you simply ignored them, which is why I gave up, make a poll if you want, go ahead, you're still appealing to popularity.

Are you calling me a woman?

I'm calling you a

Spoiler

baiter

In P1? Not that many, but then again Arnie can make good lines sound silly with his accent. Still, even great films have bad lines, it doesn't mean anythin.

It means absolutely everything when you're claiming P2 has bad writing, P2 and P1 have the same level of quality writing.

It's true though.

smh

Yeah, you assume too much, that's been established. I don't know enough about either group in the films because they don't do much except...get kill. The film doesn't give too much info about them and their skills in P2 aren't anything special.

Yes I assume from what is known info, you assume from what you don't know, that's been established indeed.

The film doesn't need to establish cartels nor guerrillas, cartels are cartels and guerrillas are guerrillas, how do you expect these "fictional" groups to not share traits from the real life groups? :

We don't know. That's an assumption...you're doing it again.

I'm playing to your logic, or are you gonna deny that LA 10 times more violent than it is in reality?

We don't know anything about either group in the movies, yet, to you it doesn't make sense that you draw "assumptions" based on what these groups are SUPPOSED to be you think it's more logical to think guerrillas are more organized than cartels because they're wearing uniform, and that thinking otherwise because that's not how it really is, is "assuming".

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Christ almighty, Gaspar (you too Clown Prince of typing).

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I caught 'Kickboxer' again for the first time in years the other day -- 7.8 / 10.

Cheesy as ****, but it's Van Damme in his absolute prime, & the fight scenes with Tong Po are still excellent to this day.

 

[a-dev]

How you chaps have the patience to individually quote and respond to specific lines

 

[GasparZizou]

How you chaps have the patience to individually quote and respond to specific lines

Quick fingers

Spoiler

ladies dig if you know what I'm saying ;^)

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Not only that's not enough, that's absolutely nothing, appealing to popularity is absolutely nothing and that's what your argument amounts to.

Who's getting sassy now?

Still, you have fail to show how P2 is some how a great sequel. My whole argument is that P1 is significantly better....and again, if the popular consensus, which includes the Predator fanbase as well as critics agree that P2 is a below average sequel, then nothing I say will change your mind You sound like WWEjedi defending the prequels, dude.

Do you really think you're gonna catch me bluffing? There are a couple scenes, not only one, you can stop trying, if you want to know which one it is, watch the movie again, if you miss it again, you missed it, no big deal.

I can watch the clips on Youtube if you give me a hint...

I did give up, I'm no longer trying to discuss with you you're just not willing to discuss. Another time.

There was not much to discuss to begin with...you like a film and I don't like it that much, but you think it's a great sequel because you probably saw it when you were a kid, so nostalgia has blinded you.

Yeah, so?

If you agree that P1 is better, then they are not of equal quality...which goes against one of your points.

You actually did need to prove a couple things but you simply ignored them, which is why I gave up, make a poll if you want, go ahead, you're still appealing to popularity.

It's okay, you know the superior film will win the poll.

It means absolutely everything when you're claiming P2 has bad writing, P2 and P1 have the same level of quality writing.

No, because P1 is the original, the film that gave us that world and the main creature...and P2 is an uninspired copy in a new setting. That alone shows how the writing is not equal. One film is full of memorable moments and lines but that's not enough prof for you... but hey, you want to be cool by not liking popular stuff! Fine

Yes I assume from what is known info, you assume from what you don't know, that's been established indeed.

The film doesn't need to establish cartels nor guerrillas, cartels are cartels and guerrillas are guerrillas, how do you expect these "fictional" groups to not share traits from the real life groups? :

They didn't show any real skills and they were high on drugs One group was ambushed and the other don't even show any tactical skills if they're ex military...I guess you can blame the directors or the second unit director for that.

I'm playing to your logic, or are you gonna deny that LA 10 times more violent than it is in reality?

We don't know anything about either group in the movies, yet, to you it doesn't make sense that you draw "assumptions" based on what these groups are SUPPOSED to be you think it's more logical to think guerrillas are more organized than cartels because they're wearing uniform, and that thinking otherwise because that's not how it really is, is "assuming".

I'm judging the thugs based on their lack of tactical skills and the P1 guerillas didn't do enough for me to judge their skills because they were ambushed, by what seems to be a superior group which shows tactical skills through the film. Can't say that about the LA cops.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

How you chaps have the patience to individually quote and respond to specific lines

We do it we grace and dignity

 

[GasparZizou]

Who's getting sassy now?

Still, you have fail to show how P2 is some how a great sequel. My whole argument is that P1 is significantly better....and again, if the popular consensus, which includes the Predator fanbase as well as critics agree that P2 is a below average sequel, then nothing I say will change your mind You sound like WWEjedi defending the prequels, dude.

But you are appealing to popularity a whole lot, I'm not getting sassy, you are not backing up your arguments, you're literally just throwing the RT score which mean absolutely nothing and you know it.

And I have shown how P2 is a great sequel, you're just been nu-uh-ing the whole time.

Do I really sound like WWEJedi? Or are you just spiteful at this point? Out of both of us, who's the one who ignored the burden of proof, yet, demanding to get proof or a certain scene?

I can watch the clips on Youtube if you give me a hint...

Watch the movie. It beats the point if I tell you, if you miss it you miss it.

There was not much to discuss to begin with...you like a film and I don't like it that much, but you think it's a great sequel because you probably saw it when you were a kid, so nostalgia has blinded you.

Actually no, nothing about my argument was about nostalgia, first it was that I saw P2 before P1, which isn't true, and I actually saw P2 much much later, probably in my teens, so nostalgia has nothing to do with it, I've supported my arguments but you just won't hear it, no biggie.

If you agree that P1 is better, then they are not of equal quality...which goes against one of your points.

Did I say they were equally better? I said parts of both were equally better, in fact, I recall specifically saying structurally both are just as solid, and artistically P1 being better. You're twisting the argument yet again.

It's okay, you know the superior film will win the poll.

And?

No, because P1 is the original, the film that gave us that world and the main creature...and P2 is an uninspired copy in a new setting. That alone shows how the writing is not equal. One film is full of memorable moments and lines but that's not enough prof for you... but hey, you want to be cool by not liking popular stuff! Fine

Not liking a popular film? When did I say I didn't like P1? why are you so desperate? Are you alright? Jesus

And none of that has to do with writing, Jesus Christ dude. In fact, I can pinpoint a semi-plot breaking plot hole in P1, P2 is without such a thing and in fact, works around that brainfart from P1, in a better way, because of the motivations of Harrigan, but I just know you'll just go nah nah nah

They didn't show any real skills. One group was ambushed and the other don't even show any tactical skills if they're ex military...I guess you can blame the directors or the second unit director for that.

I'm judging the thugs based on their lack of tactical skills and the P1 guerillas didn't do enough for me to judge their skills because they were ambushed, by what seems to be a superior group which shows tactical skills through the film. Can't say that about the LA cops.

You're just gonna work your way around this aren't you? Fine.

 

[WWEJedi]

I'll agree that it's in Pixars shallower end, but the worst? I believe that distinction belongs to Cars and Cars 2.

One thing it does have going for it is the environments, absolutely amazing! They are practically photorealistic.

Ahh... I forgot about Cars 2. Here I thought I put it out of my mind. I agree, Cars 2 was the worst. I actually enjoyed Cars... probably because of all the NASCAR references and that I envisioned Lightning McQueen as Jeff Gordon (my favorite driver)

They had commentators Mike Joy and Darrel Waltrip, Jr, Petty, Dale, Gordon all in it So Cars gets a pass from me.

 

[WWEJedi]

Still, you have fail to show how P2 is some how a great sequel. My whole argument is that P1 is significantly better....and again, if the popular consensus, which includes the Predator fanbase as well as critics agree that P2 is a below average sequel, then nothing I say will change your mind You sound like WWEjedi defending the prequels, dude.

Not sure if insult..... or compliment.

But yeah Gaspar.... you do sound like me

Welcome to my side!

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Christ almighty, Gaspar (you too Clown Prince of typing).

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I caught 'Kickboxer' again for the first time in years the other day -- 7.8 / 10.

Cheesy as ****, but it's Van Damme in his absolute prime, & the fight scenes with Tong Po are still excellent to this day.

**** it.

I'm not getting buried.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

But you are appealing to popularity a whole lot, I'm not getting sassy, you are not backing up your arguments, you're literally just throwing the RT score which mean absolutely nothing and you know it.

And I have shown how P2 is a great sequel, you're just been nu-uh-ing the whole time.

Do I really sound like WWEJedi? Or are you just spiteful at this point? Out of both of us, who's the one who ignored the burden of proof, yet, demanding to get proof or a certain scene?

No, not just the RT score, also a review which made some good points as to why P2 falls short compared to P1, yet you completely ignore it by simply saying...who wants to know more about Predator? You have made no argument as to why P2 is a great sequel, and you totally sound like WWEjedi, and that has nothing to do with spite, that's just how you sound defending a mediocre film.

Watch the movie. It beats the point if I tell you, if you miss it you miss it.

The movie is on youtube, just tell me the scene and I'll watch it...no need to watch the whole thing

Actually no, nothing about my argument was about nostalgia, first it was that I saw P2 before P1, which isn't true, and I actually saw P2 much much later, probably in my teens, so nostalgia has nothing to do with it, I've supported my arguments but you just won't hear it, no biggie.

No you haven't..at all actually, you just ask questions and when I ask a question about a simple scene, you won't even give a hint

Did I say they were equally better? I said parts of both were equally better, in fact, I recall specifically saying structurally both are just as solid, and artistically P1 being better. You're twisting the argument yet again.

And that ...

P2 and P1 have the same level of quality writing.

which is not true at all, but I already explained why, but you ignored it of course and then accuse me of ignoring your "powerful" arguments

And none of that has to do with writing, Jesus Christ dude.

The story of an elite group of soldiers being hunted by a reptile like Alien has nothing to do with the writing? The great character intros, the lines, and a great first, second and third act has nothing to do with the writing? If you actually read the "Hunter" script, you'll see how detail it is and how much of what you see on screen is on the script.

In fact, I can pinpoint a semi-plot breaking plot hole in P1, P2 is without such a thing and in fact, works around that brainfart from P1, in a better way, because of the motivations of Harrigan, but I just know you'll just go nah nah nah

Neither film is perfect and all films have plotholes so pointing out such things in no way makes the uninspired sequel a better film

You're just gonna work your way around this aren't you? Fine.

Yup

 

[GasparZizou]

No, not just the RT score, also a review which made good point as to why P2 falls short compared to P1, yet you completely ignore it by simply saying...who wants to know more about Predator? You have made no argument as to why P2 is a great sequel and you do sound like WWEjedi, and that has nothing to do with spite, that's just how you sound defending a mediocre film.

What are you talking about? I addressed the review and I maintain it's retarded to take away the mystery from the Predator.

I have made plenty of arguments and I could quote them again, why are you so hell bent on covering your ears? I don't get it.

I sound like WWEJedi huh? I'm perfectly fine with P2 being the under-appreciated little gem it apparently is , I It doesn't have nearly as many flaws as the PT and I don't intend to defend it from those who bash it, I'm replying to you cause you're a bro and I thought you wanted a chill discussion, but man, you've been acting weird lately.

No you haven't..at all actually, you just ask questions and when I ask a question about a simple scene, you won't even give a hint

Dude, I asked you like 3 times to explain why is the jungle so pivotal to the Predator and you could not do it, 3 times, you just ignored me, yet you expect me to just spoon feed you a scene you missed.

which is not true at all, but I already explained why, but you ignored it of course and then accuse me of ignoring your "powerful" arguments

It is true, and you haven't explained why not, nu-uh isn't an explanation. None of us have even touched the subject of the writing in either movies.

The story of an elite group of soldiers being hunted by a reptile like Alien has nothing to do with the writing? The great character intros, the lines, and a great first, second and third act has nothing to do with the writing? Are YOU okay ?

That's not what you said in the part your post I quoted is it? Seriously, what is it that you need to twist, ignore, make up arguments, do you not want a serious discussion?

Neither film is perfect and all film have plotholes so pointing out such things in no way makes the uninspired sequel a better film

The fact that one has a semi-plot breaking moment and the other one doesn't doesn't give credit to the latter? Alright.