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[a-dev]

Yep those rascally aliens that sneak into your cloest at night and replace your underwear with a couple of facehugger eggs.

What's funny though is that Prometheus actually kind of makes the opening of A3 plausible. If the xenomorphs are just dripping with that magic goo then maybe a Queen under distress can secrete some emergency "egg goo." Who knows.

Prometheus isn't canon itself anyway

 

[Khev]

Prometheus isn't canon itself anyway

I guess two non-canons don't make a canon.

I do believe that Bryan Singer was once quoted as saying the two Sulaco eggs were "the perfect way to open any ALIEN sequel."

 

[a-dev]

I guess two non-canons don't make a canon.

I do believe that Bryan Singer was once quoted as saying the two Sulaco eggs were "the perfect way to open any ALIEN sequel."

Sounds about right from Mr Continuity Shmontinuity.

 

[Khev]

Singer would have had the eggs on board the Sulaco at the beginning of ALIENS.

 

[Khev]

Something that just occurred to me that the writers of Alien 3 could have done to "fix" the egg issue:

1. Say that Bishop was the one who went and got them. Hence his absence when Ripley and Newt arrived. I was thinking that maybe when she was questioning him in A3 that he could have divulged that on LV-426 Burke recited the code to deactivate his behavioral inhibitor so that Bishop would be sure to help him bring back two specimens no matter what but maybe that wouldn't have even been necessary. He was already in the process of helping Burke bring back the facehuggers after all.

Burke could have said "we're bringing back these two facehuggers, but if that proves impossible I need you to do anything you can to grab a couple of those eggs the marines stumbled upon." The damaged Bishop in A3 could have told Ripley that when he was circling the platform he spied two eggs and Burke's directive kicked in and he had to comply. His intention was to put them in quarantine immediately after landing on the Sulaco but the Queen's surprise attack ****ed that all up.

Then it could have been guilt at the damage caused by the eggs that led him to request deactivation, not a vain desire to be "top of the line." Just a couple lines of extra dialogue could have cleared the whole thing up and would have really tied the two films together.

 

[a-dev]

Something that just occurred to me that the writers of Alien 3 could have done to "fix" the egg issue:

1. Say that Bishop was the one who went and got them. Hence his absence when Ripley and Newt arrived. I was thinking that maybe when she was questioning him in A3 that he could have divulged that on LV-426 Burke recited the code to deactivate his behavioral inhibitor so that Bishop would be sure to help him bring back two specimens no matter what but maybe that wouldn't have even been necessary. He was already in the process of helping Burke bring back the facehuggers after all.

Burke could have said "we're bringing back these two facehuggers, but if that proves impossible I need you to do anything you can to grab a couple of those eggs the marines stumbled upon." The damaged Bishop in A3 could have told Ripley that when he was circling the platform he spied two eggs and Burke's directive kicked in and he had to comply. His intention was to put them in quarantine immediately after landing on the Sulaco but the Queen's surprise attack ****ed that all up.

Then it could have been guilt at the damage caused by the eggs that led him to request deactivation, not a vain desire to be "top of the line." Just a couple lines of extra dialogue could have cleared the whole thing up and would have really tied the two films together.

Well, that would certainly go against Cameron's intentions with the Bishop character. Cameron wanted us to share Ripley's suspicion of Bishop all the way up to his final rescue of Ripley and Newt from the platform. And then there's the scene where he appears genuinely happy when Ripley compliments him right before he gets impaled by the Queen. I think Cameron intended that he really was just a lovable android all along.

Of course, Cameron also intended that Ripley, Hicks and Newt would be a family unit and Alien 3 crapped all over that anyway so I'm sure they'd have had no problem ret-conning Bishop.

I would say though that the window of 'opportunity' you mention is questionable at best - I think there's just no way. Maybe he could find some eggs on his way to the uplink tower or somewhere close to it when he was calling the dropship down.

 

[Khev]

Well, that would certainly go against Cameron's intentions with the Bishop character. Cameron wanted us to share Ripley's suspicion of Bishop all the way up to his final rescue of Ripley and Newt from the platform. And then there's the scene where he appears genuinely happy when Ripley compliments him right before he gets impaled by the Queen. I think Cameron intended that he really was just a lovable android all along.

Of course, just like Cameron changed Scott's intended lifecycle from "drones create eggs with cocooned victims" to "queen lays eggs." Ret-cons are fair game as long as they don't openly contradict what was shown on screen in the previous film. Fincher obviously wasn't interested in continuing a tale of this tight knit family with lovable android, instead he wanted a dark and depressing story where death was inevitable and the only "victory" was facing it on your own terms. To that end he just needed it to logistically connect to ALIENS since clearly the themes of the previous film were thrown completely out the window.

I wouldn't have gone that route for A3 at all but if that really was the story they were locked into then I do think that adding a sinister and previously unrealized undertone to Bishop's character would have been the most viable explanation. *He* wouldn't have been sinister per se, his programming would have simply been overwritten (or overruled) by Burke no doubt to the lovable android's chagrin.

I would say though that the window of 'opportunity' you mention is questionable at best - I think there's just no way. Maybe he could find some eggs on his way to the uplink tower or somewhere close to it when he was calling the dropship down.

He had a good 10-15 minutes while Ripley was off rescuing Newt. She leaves, debris starts hitting the platform, he takes off (so that his explanation is still "correct,") spies a couple unhatched eggs, swoops down and grabs them, then returns for Ripley. Sure it would be an unlikely contrivance but the important thing is that it would be possible which is what we didn't get in Fincher's film.

 

[cmiller99]

He had a good 10-15 minutes while Ripley was off rescuing Newt. She leaves, debris starts hitting the platform, he takes off (so that his explanation is still "correct,") spies a couple unhatched eggs, swoops down and grabs them, then returns for Ripley. Sure it would be an unlikely contrivance but the important thing is that it would be possible which is what we didn't get in Fincher's film.

Eggs just lying around? He would've had to follow her in to get the eggs. I don't think there were any just sitting around on the ground near the landing platform. And he'd have to land the ship and get out of it to get the eggs too. I don't think there's really any way around that particular continuity issue.

 

[Snake Plissken]

The Siege - 7/10

Bruce Willis wig - 4/10

Pretty interesting insight a few years before terrorism in Western civilization became all the rage.

 

[EVILFACE]

The Purge: Election Year - 6/10
Ouija: Origin of Evil - 7/10
Deathsport - 6/10
Gods of Egypt -7/10 - If you can get past the bad CGI, incredibly corny comedy and the unbearable human hero, it's a good enjoyable flick.

 

[Khev]

Eggs just lying around? He would've had to follow her in to get the eggs. I don't think there were any just sitting around on the ground near the landing platform. And he'd have to land the ship and get out of it to get the eggs too. I don't think there's really any way around that particular continuity issue.

The film implied that the drones carried eggs from the Queen's chamber and set them close to cocooned humans. So you'd have to assume that Bishop spotted an unconscious Hudson and Burke impregnated with facehuggers with two eggs sitting in front of them. Beats magic eggs appearing out of thin air.

 

[Khev]

Gods of Egypt -7/10 - If you can get past the bad CGI, incredibly corny comedy and the unbearable human hero, it's a good enjoyable flick.

So a fantasy flick with bad visuals and a lame hero? What on earth made it good then?

 

[a-dev]

The film implied that the drones carried eggs from the Queen's chamber and set them close to cocooned humans. So you'd have to assume that Bishop spotted an unconscious Hudson and Burke impregnated with facehuggers with two eggs sitting in front of them. Beats magic eggs appearing out of thin air.

It's just that even if we accept the idea of Aliens cocooning people far away from the nest and going to the trouble of bringing eggs to them it seems very unlikely this would be somewhere that Bishop would be able to see while he's in the sky piloting the dropship and unlikely again that he could land to pick them up - unless it was on the ground outside the atmosphere processing station. And that's why I suggested that maybe he could find a grouping of eggs while he was out calling the dropship down in the first place. Still seems unlikely to me but it's a little more plausible.

 

[rushmore223]

Gods of Egypt -7/10 - If you can get past the bad CGI, incredibly corny comedy and the unbearable human hero, it's a good enjoyable flick.

But it can teach us many things, like how Egypt was almost entirely populated by people with English and Irish accents.

 

[Khev]

And that's why I suggested that maybe he could find a grouping of eggs while he was out calling the dropship down in the first place. Still seems unlikely to me but it's a little more plausible.

Had the remote dropship already landed when Hicks and Ripley arrived? Or did they watch it land? I'm drawing a blank.

 

[EVILFACE]

So a fantasy flick with bad visuals and a lame hero? What on earth made it good then?

Gerard Butler, Jamie Lanester and all the hawt chicks. The story is interesting as well.

 

[a-dev]

Had the remote dropship already landed when Hicks and Ripley arrived? Or did they watch it land? I'm drawing a blank.

It was already there.


edit - wait no, it just landed as they arrived.

 

[a-dev]

I was wrong, edited my post.

 

[Khev]

Okay well I don't know that I have any more to add to a hypothetical discussion about how the writer's of A3 could have put a little more effort into getting those silly eggs onto the ship.

 

[a-dev]

Okay well I don't know that I have any more to add to a hypothetical discussion about how the writer's of A3 could have put a little more effort into getting those silly eggs onto the ship.

They obviously just thought people would buy that the Queen laid the eggs while hiding in the dropship. As we were discussing in one of the NECA threads recently though - her Ovipositor looks to be the only means for her to do that. The eggs seem to form inside that thing, not inside the Queen herself.