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[odb]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

I agree to a degree, but having your collectibles appreciate in value is always a good thing. You're buying these things with money you could be otherwise investing in stocks, etc. so if you ever had something where "life happens" and were forced to sell, it is nice to have some protection (edition size, etc.) that helps it to hold or build value. I hope I never have to sell off to get through a life emergency, but if I did, it would be nice to at least get back what I invested if not more (more per piece means less pieces to sell to generate the same amount of cash in a pinch).

 

[cstojano]

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I got no problem with SS trying to kill the flip-marked by making sure a buyer can always get a reg at retailprice. And at the same time getting the $$ the flippers othervice got.

Sure they hurt the flip market but in the process you unwittingly overpay for a piece at retail. I use the Alien big chap maquette as a yardstick. ES of 1250, massive size and nice looking piece, 799 price tag, still for sale by SS, on eBay they sell for 600 bucks. I don't see the wraith being ANY different. The only question I have is whether the exclusive will hold its value with the regular still for sale. Now with Weta's pieces initially the numbered environments DID in fact increase in value for the short term, even with unnumbered pieces still for sale. So that may also happen with the wraith PF.

edit: I checked eBay and there are no closed sales of the numbered rivendell.

 

[mr.marts]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

This is my twelfth pf statue in less than two years I got this beasty, jessica rabbit on pre order now can't wait for captain jack sparrow pf and avatars jack sully pf and than back to lord of rings

 

[Chaosorb]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

I'm actually fine with Reg being open and EX being very limited. It give a good collector's item for those who like that but also allows those that come late in the game to get the reg if they really like a piece.

This is what SSC is shooting for. I remember a couple of years ago they were talking about a way for people coming into the hobby after certain pieces were released still being able to order said piece. I guess this is how they plan on doing this.

 

[azurepred]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

Sure they hurt the flip market but in the process you unwittingly overpay for a piece at retail. I use the Alien big chap maquette as a yardstick. ES of 1250, massive size and nice looking piece, 799 price tag, still for sale by SS, on eBay they sell for 600 bucks. I don't see the wraith being ANY different. The only question I have is whether the exclusive will hold its value with the regular still for sale. Now with Weta's pieces initially the numbered environments DID in fact increase in value for the short term, even with unnumbered pieces still for sale. So that may also happen with the wraith PF.

edit: I checked eBay and there are no closed sales of the numbered rivendell.

yea, that's why I think it's a bad move on their part. I even told the SS rep that having the reg be Open edition, it's gonna hurt the ex sales. This will be able to be had at a very good discount until it sales out. Even then, LOTR doesn't sell well initially. Gandalf the grey pf is a prime example, it's been sold out for awhile. It's a stunning piece, and the ex. barely goes for more then retail. The Berserker and Lurtz pf's too a long time to take off as well.

 

[Stampe]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

yea, that's why I think it's a bad move on their part. I even told the SS rep that having the reg be Open edition, it's gonna hurt the ex sales.

................... or ................. the one's actually (pre)ordering or buying the ex are people who wants the piece, not some flipper hoping to score x2, x3 ect on ebay. In the long run - which every business should keep in mind - this be profite SS-sale. I bet SS would love be still be able to sell Thor, Hulk, Doom, Spidey reg pf. Keep the ex es at max. 500 to please the snobs and elitiest who wants something nobody else have (if an ex can't sell 500 pieces worldwide what's the point in even making one?) and open es for the reg for the real fans and you'll be in business for a long time and earn $$$. Your customers will be geninue fans and not some $$-greedy flipper hoping for a quick profit.

 

[azurepred]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

I don't think it has anything to do with flipping. Like I said, the LOTR statues take a long time to gain value anyways. If the reg and ex versions are available for a long time, then smart consumers will just wait to get them at a much cheaper price on the aftermarket.

I think I have it already set in my head that I'm gonna wait until the EX reaches collectors hands, then I'm gonna avoid CA taxes and get it under retail. I'm not rich, and I know how this collectible market works pretty well, so I'm not going to buy something right away just cause I love it, when I can save cash by waiting.

 

[The Josh]

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Let's be careful when tossing names around.

 

[cstojano]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

................... or ................. the one's actually (pre)ordering or buying the ex are people who wants the piece, not some flipper hoping to score x2, x3 ect on ebay. In the long run - which every business should keep in mind - this be profite SS-sale. I bet SS would love be still be able to sell Thor, Hulk, Doom, Spidey reg pf. Keep the ex es at max. 500 to please the snobs and elitiest who wants something nobody else have (if an ex can't sell 500 pieces worldwide what's the point in even making one?) and open es for the reg for the real fans and you'll be in business for a long time and earn $$$. Your customers will be geninue fans and not some $$-greedy flipper hoping for a quick profit.

SS may love the ability to sell expensive pieces years down the road to new blood BUT that new blood won't be there because the collecting base gets fed up with constantly seeing their hard earned money flushed down the toilet. This is sort of like a deflationary spiral, people wait to buy because they know prices will fall, but once in a death spiral then there is never the "right time to buy" and a market crashes completely. Collectibles are fickle and sensitive, there is a long list of roadkill in the rear view mirror in the pop culture collectibles world and SS's attempt to profit more now may hurt them in the long term (if not the short term). I am concerned because the end result may be bye-bye SS, and I do like their products so this is why I am concerned about the sustainability of their business practices (not because I flip statues after release).

 

[FrodoEyes]

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i will only buy statues that are not open es

Huh, and there's me thinking people buy stuff they'd like to own and display on their shelves

Who knew.

 

[cstojano]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

Huh, and there's me thinking people buy stuff they'd like to own and display on their shelves

Who knew.

FE I think you are really simplifying it here. We are not talking Mondo posters that most people only buy to flip, that's a sick market to me. I think we all appreciate and love these books, films and collectibles and do appreciate the statues for what they are. But there is a certain aspect to collecting that is deeply psychological and therefore hard to pinpoint or explain. People like to feel special, and one way to do so is to buy limited pieces, to buy pieces that maintain value, to buy pieces that increase in value, etc. Its why people take pictures of rare artifacts in museums when a better photo is available on a postcard, there is something magical about the real thing. To say you saw the real Rosetta stone means something to people. To say you saw a cast of it in Cleveland (rather than in London) wouldn't resonate with many people.

Let me ask, if the quality were the same would you buy a chinese recast for half the price? Most wouldn't. But if its only about product on your display shelves then why not?

Something else that always seems lost in this - these are expensive. We all have too much disposable income it seems but when you hit these price points I become value conscious. AND, if you have a wife/gf in the mix, well its a lot easier buying this stuff when she sees you can sell it on eBay for the same amount of money if she need baby supplies all of a sudden.

 

[FrodoEyes]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

FE I think you are really simplifying it here.

Quite possibly, i have only been skimming through these posts

But there is a certain aspect to collecting that is deeply psychological and therefore hard to pinpoint or explain. People like to feel special, and one way to do so is to buy limited pieces, to buy pieces that maintain value, to buy pieces that increase in value, etc.

Believe me, you don't need to tell me about why collectors collect. I like a limited edition just as much as the next man, but i won't say no to a statue just because it's an open edition.

if you have a wife/gf in the mix, well its a lot easier buying this stuff when she sees you can sell it on eBay for the same amount of money if she need baby supplies all of a sudden.

Fortunately i won't have baby issues Just the nephew. But i do have a partner who hates this stuff, but i've been collecting them well before i met him, and he does at least know what they're worth, which as you say is probably why he hasn't given me an ultimatum between him and them!

 

[Stampe]

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SS may love the ability to sell expensive pieces years down the road to new blood BUT that new blood won't be there because the collecting base gets fed up with constantly seeing their hard earned money flushed down the toilet.

I think we have a very different approch to "collecting". You want to be able to sell your piece for (much) more than you paid for it, I can't interpret the above statement otherwise - the "seeing their hard earned money flushed down the toilet" can only mean you buy this stuff with the intend of selling it down the road for more than you paid for it. I just want a nice statue to put on display. Your buy is an investment, mine is for pleasure. You really should invest in other stuff.

 

[cstojano]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

I think we have a very different approch to "collecting". You want to be able to sell your piece for (much) more than you paid for it, I can't interpret the above statement otherwise - the "seeing their hard earned money flushed down the toilet" can only mean you buy this stuff with the intend of selling it down the road for more than you paid for it. I just want a nice statue to put on display. Your buy is an investment, mine is for pleasure. You really should invest in other stuff.

Stampe, I don't buy to make a profit. But I do buy with the intent that something better may be around the corner and I may need to exit a piece. Therefore, I would like to sell it for AT LEAST what I paid for it, not 50% of what I paid for it.

Also, I don't invest in statues because of the very reason we are having this conversation, they are a lousy investment. Because the companies are selling Danbury Mint plate equivalents (with open ES) these things are not really collectibles except that they can be "collected." However, please don't write off other collectibles as legitimate investments. Standard 401k, IRA, and Wall St. investments are what we all suffer because of the system. But they are mostly lousy insider games. Housing? don't get me started. But I do far, far better with collectibles. In my adult working life, approximately 13 years of investing at my job, I have made ZERO. Bad timing I suppose but my net investment return is actually negative using the Wall St buy and hold model. To the contrary I am sitting on several hundreds of percent value in my Lego collection which, yes, I hoard when they go on sale because almost all decent sets become very expensive when they retire. I use these profits to fund things like bronze statues that are also, for the most part, lousy investments (despite being limited) but I love so much.

 

[nemenforcer]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

The hobby is def getting pinched right now but I still want this and it has an es!

 

[gagaliya]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

Huh, and there's me thinking people buy stuff they'd like to own and display on their shelves

Who knew.

no, i buy lotr statues purely to flip and sell them to the freaks here for 2x the cost, then i laugh at them for missing out the release.

 

[joblain]

I think we deviate from the subject about the ringwraith. Each time i come back to this thread i hope we speak about this outstanding PF and not about Open ES or limited edition but it keeps going... its a very interesting subject btw and would like to follow this but i think it should be debate in another thread.
What you guys think?

Sorry if i shocked people.

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[cstojano]

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I see your point Joblain but at 203 pages what's left to discuss really

 

[fuzzylojiks]

Re: Ringwraith on Steed PF..Link to buy in 1st Post.

I think we have a very different approch to "collecting". You want to be able to sell your piece for (much) more than you paid for it, I can't interpret the above statement otherwise - the "seeing their hard earned money flushed down the toilet" can only mean you buy this stuff with the intend of selling it down the road for more than you paid for it. I just want a nice statue to put on display. Your buy is an investment, mine is for pleasure. You really should invest in other stuff.

I've never actually sold a piece or ever plan too, but a friend of mine ran into some financial difficulty recently. He had to sell most of his collection, the proceeds kept him and his family afloat and fed during this difficult period. He was really blessed that his collectibles allowed him to do that, but before that time the thought of selling his beloved collection never crossed his mind. I guess it's just lucky that he invested in something he loved which still held it's value enough for him to get through that tough time. It sure beats putting your money in stuff you don't believe in or are passionate about as some of these other investments are.

 

[fuzzylojiks]

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I thought they responded to other statues with this labeling along the lines that Limited edition means that there will be a limited number of pieces but they won't number pieces or keep track of how many they sell. Basically my understanding is that EVERYTHING ever made was therefore limited in that its supply was not infinite. I suspect they will tell you they can't tell you how many they will make, but it won't be in the millions, hundred of thousands, or tens of thousands. They also will not tell you when they will STOP making the piece. That this has crept into the PF lines is troubling I think. But the statue world is clearly divided between those that just buy what they like regardless of any other external factors, and those (like myself) that are price conscious and value conscious and like all the input variables they can get before making a decision on what to do. Because if the reg is made for the next ten years then surely one will be able to save hundreds of dollars if they wait til 6 months after its release.

Wow this is the first open edition in the PF line isn't it? That's interesting, Sideshow seems to be shifting their focus from a limited collectibles company to a more mass market approach. Maybe they are targeting future Walmart distribution deals.