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guess what, folks? i've watched the robocop remake. i saw it last wednesday at a special preview screening, but have been too busy to post til now. beware: spoilers to follow, though i've put the major ones inside tags...

right. i've seen a lot of negativity on this thread about the remake, some of it justified/understandable and a lot of it just uncalled for/premature. this is going to come as a major surprise to the haters, but the movie does NOT suck. in fact, it's actually pretty decent. you know how in pre-release interviews, the filmmakers keep talking about about the themes and underlying meaning of a film only for all that to be barely noticeable in the finished result? i hate that. yet here, they've put their money where their mouths are. i was caught off-guard by how introspective and philosophically-minded this movie is. it raises themes of free will, identity, control, and what makes a human being, human. now it is certainly not a deep, profound thought piece but it does give those issues a real airing. there is one scene that really hammers home murphy's existential dilemma in a disturbing and dare i say it --- emotional --- way. this is to me the film's most powerful scene, and it puts the ungloved hand (that i hated) in a completely new context. i'll put it in spoilers:
murphy, having been revived after the bombing, thinks he is a man in a suit. but dr. norton (oldman) shows him the true extent of what they did to him... and it is horrifying. bit by bit, they detach his robotic parts, until all that is left is his head, spinal column, a few basic internal organs and his right hand. but even his hand is just an illusion. it is pretty much a meat glove, slipped over a metal armature. murphy is left in tears, saying: "oh my god. there's nothing left!"

that scene is so well-played by joel kinnaman. although peter weller will always be the definitive robocop/murphy, kinnaman does surprisingly well and i'd say the main reason i liked the film is because i felt for him. they spend just enough time developing his character and kinnaman makes some interesting choices here in portraying both the human and robot sides. the rest of the principal cast is mostly excellent and it is their performances that elevate the material even in its weaker moments (of which there are a fair bit). gary oldman brings weight to his scientist character, and he has sort of a father figure/frankenstein relationship with murphy that is somewhat new to the robocop mythos. samuel l. jackson gets a bit melodramatic but i think that was intentional, as he's playing a tv show host whose spin on the truth is funny and a piss-take of the modern media. he even gets to say motherf--er (though bleeped out). lol. my favourite though is michael keaton, who is very entertaining as the maverick omnicorp ceo.

loved his performance here, but it is a double-edged sword as the way his character is handled leads to the film's biggest --- and to me near-fatal --- flaw. there is no clear villain in this film. actually, there are a number of so-called baddies, but none of them even remotely make any kind of impression. they're just plot devices for murphy's journey. and then at the end, they throw in a call-back to the original by making the omnicorp big-wig the main antagonist. this shouldn't be a major surprise for anyone who's watched enough of the trailers and featurettes. but it sure wasn't properly handled by the filmmakers. it feels like a major disconnect as to why murphy would have a beef with keaton's ceo. they explain it, but it just feels underdeveloped and unsatisfying. the weird thing is, i get the impression they didn't want to repeat the original's plot points beat for beat which is fine, but in avoiding the clean narrative through-line that verhoeven's version had, this one suffers greatly.

and the other major weakness of the film is unmemorable action. frankly, i could not name you a single kicka$$ action moment in this film. don't get me wrong, the action is okay but doesn't come close to the many fist-pumping moments of the original. director jose padilha tries some gimmicky visuals with some of the action, like lighting the gunfights in pitch darkness using only muzzle flares, and a video game-style 1st person perspective. but they just lack impact.

btw, fans of basil pouledouris' robocop theme music will be happy to note that it pops up on more than one occasion here. all in all, the stronger aspects of this movie are enough to offset its weaknesses. i was/am a huge fan of the original and i was ready to rip this a new one but i came away surprised by the genuine effort put into this to make it a worthwhile addition to the robocop canon. i have no doubt the studio means for this to make money but it also doesn't seem like just another soulless cash-grab. the filmmakers actually have something of their own to say. and that makes it more than alright in my book. hope this impromptu review helps some of you allay your fears over this movie. flaws and all, the robocop remake is definitely watchable.
 
Great review.

I'm seeing a lot of the same kind of sentiments from other people that viewed it too. Good to see that people feel it's a reboot done right. I'm really looking forward to that scene everyone keeps talking about. I also hope that rumor I'm hearing about the suit is true, that will shut me up about the "black tactical rubber" that I was *****ing about months ago.
 
guess what, folks? i've watched the robocop remake. i saw it last wednesday at a special preview screening, but have been too busy to post til now. beware: spoilers to follow, though i've put the major ones inside tags...

right. i've seen a lot of negativity on this thread about the remake, some of it justified/understandable and a lot of it just uncalled for/premature. this is going to come as a major surprise to the haters, but the movie does NOT suck. in fact, it's actually pretty decent. you know how in pre-release interviews, the filmmakers keep talking about about the themes and underlying meaning of a film only for all that to be barely noticeable in the finished result? i hate that. yet here, they've put their money where their mouths are. i was caught off-guard by how introspective and philosophically-minded this movie is. it raises themes of free will, identity, control, and what makes a human being, human. now it is certainly not a deep, profound thought piece but it does give those issues a real airing. there is one scene that really hammers home murphy's existential dilemma in a disturbing and dare i say it --- emotional --- way. this is to me the film's most powerful scene, and it puts the ungloved hand (that i hated) in a completely new context. i'll put it in spoilers:
murphy, having been revived after the bombing, thinks he is a man in a suit. but dr. norton (oldman) shows him the true extent of what they did to him... and it is horrifying. bit by bit, they detach his robotic parts, until all that is left is his head, spinal column, a few basic internal organs and his right hand. but even his hand is just an illusion. it is pretty much a meat glove, slipped over a metal armature. murphy is left in tears, saying: "oh my god. there's nothing left!"

that scene is so well-played by joel kinnaman. although peter weller will always be the definitive robocop/murphy, kinnaman does surprisingly well and i'd say the main reason i liked the film is because i felt for him. they spend just enough time developing his character and kinnaman makes some interesting choices here in portraying both the human and robot sides. the rest of the principal cast is mostly excellent and it is their performances that elevate the material even in its weaker moments (of which there are a fair bit). gary oldman brings weight to his scientist character, and he has sort of a father figure/frankenstein relationship with murphy that is somewhat new to the robocop mythos. samuel l. jackson gets a bit melodramatic but i think that was intentional, as he's playing a tv show host whose spin on the truth is funny and a piss-take of the modern media. he even gets to say motherf--er (though bleeped out). lol. my favourite though is michael keaton, who is very entertaining as the maverick omnicorp ceo.

loved his performance here, but it is a double-edged sword as the way his character is handled leads to the film's biggest --- and to me near-fatal --- flaw. there is no clear villain in this film. actually, there are a number of so-called baddies, but none of them even remotely make any kind of impression. they're just plot devices for murphy's journey. and then at the end, they throw in a call-back to the original by making the omnicorp big-wig the main antagonist. this shouldn't be a major surprise for anyone who's watched enough of the trailers and featurettes. but it sure wasn't properly handled by the filmmakers. it feels like a major disconnect as to why murphy would have a beef with keaton's ceo. they explain it, but it just feels underdeveloped and unsatisfying. the weird thing is, i get the impression they didn't want to repeat the original's plot points beat for beat which is fine, but in avoiding the clean narrative through-line that verhoeven's version had, this one suffers greatly.

and the other major weakness of the film is unmemorable action. frankly, i could not name you a single kicka$$ action moment in this film. don't get me wrong, the action is okay but doesn't come close to the many fist-pumping moments of the original. director jose padilha tries some gimmicky visuals with some of the action, like lighting the gunfights in pitch darkness using only muzzle flares, and a video game-style 1st person perspective. but they just lack impact.

btw, fans of basil pouledouris' robocop theme music will be happy to note that it pops up on more than one occasion here. all in all, the stronger aspects of this movie are enough to offset its weaknesses. i was/am a huge fan of the original and i was ready to rip this a new one but i came away surprised by the genuine effort put into this to make it a worthwhile addition to the robocop canon. i have no doubt the studio means for this to make money but it also doesn't seem like just another soulless cash-grab. the filmmakers actually have something of their own to say. and that makes it more than alright in my book. hope this impromptu review helps some of you allay your fears over this movie. flaws and all, the robocop remake is definitely watchable.

Proof it blows. :lecture:lecture:lecture :exactly:
 
Yea that doesn't sound positive to me. Sounds like it has no soul and no real plot driving it forward. No memorable villains or action is an "I'll go see it?" Man, our standards have dropped.
 
But the black suit just doesn't lend any credability and no matter how good the performances RoboCop needs to look like ****ing RoboCop!!!!
 
guess what, folks? i've watched the robocop remake. i saw it last wednesday at a special preview screening, but have been too busy to post til now. beware: spoilers to follow, though i've put the major ones inside tags...

right. i've seen a lot of negativity on this thread about the remake, some of it justified/understandable and a lot of it just uncalled for/premature. this is going to come as a major surprise to the haters, but the movie does NOT suck. in fact, it's actually pretty decent. you know how in pre-release interviews, the filmmakers keep talking about about the themes and underlying meaning of a film only for all that to be barely noticeable in the finished result? i hate that. yet here, they've put their money where their mouths are. i was caught off-guard by how introspective and philosophically-minded this movie is. it raises themes of free will, identity, control, and what makes a human being, human. now it is certainly not a deep, profound thought piece but it does give those issues a real airing. there is one scene that really hammers home murphy's existential dilemma in a disturbing and dare i say it --- emotional --- way. this is to me the film's most powerful scene, and it puts the ungloved hand (that i hated) in a completely new context. i'll put it in spoilers:
murphy, having been revived after the bombing, thinks he is a man in a suit. but dr. norton (oldman) shows him the true extent of what they did to him... and it is horrifying. bit by bit, they detach his robotic parts, until all that is left is his head, spinal column, a few basic internal organs and his right hand. but even his hand is just an illusion. it is pretty much a meat glove, slipped over a metal armature. murphy is left in tears, saying: "oh my god. there's nothing left!"

that scene is so well-played by joel kinnaman. although peter weller will always be the definitive robocop/murphy, kinnaman does surprisingly well and i'd say the main reason i liked the film is because i felt for him. they spend just enough time developing his character and kinnaman makes some interesting choices here in portraying both the human and robot sides. the rest of the principal cast is mostly excellent and it is their performances that elevate the material even in its weaker moments (of which there are a fair bit). gary oldman brings weight to his scientist character, and he has sort of a father figure/frankenstein relationship with murphy that is somewhat new to the robocop mythos. samuel l. jackson gets a bit melodramatic but i think that was intentional, as he's playing a tv show host whose spin on the truth is funny and a piss-take of the modern media. he even gets to say motherf--er (though bleeped out). lol. my favourite though is michael keaton, who is very entertaining as the maverick omnicorp ceo.

loved his performance here, but it is a double-edged sword as the way his character is handled leads to the film's biggest --- and to me near-fatal --- flaw. there is no clear villain in this film. actually, there are a number of so-called baddies, but none of them even remotely make any kind of impression. they're just plot devices for murphy's journey. and then at the end, they throw in a call-back to the original by making the omnicorp big-wig the main antagonist. this shouldn't be a major surprise for anyone who's watched enough of the trailers and featurettes. but it sure wasn't properly handled by the filmmakers. it feels like a major disconnect as to why murphy would have a beef with keaton's ceo. they explain it, but it just feels underdeveloped and unsatisfying. the weird thing is, i get the impression they didn't want to repeat the original's plot points beat for beat which is fine, but in avoiding the clean narrative through-line that verhoeven's version had, this one suffers greatly.

and the other major weakness of the film is unmemorable action. frankly, i could not name you a single kicka$$ action moment in this film. don't get me wrong, the action is okay but doesn't come close to the many fist-pumping moments of the original. director jose padilha tries some gimmicky visuals with some of the action, like lighting the gunfights in pitch darkness using only muzzle flares, and a video game-style 1st person perspective. but they just lack impact.

btw, fans of basil pouledouris' robocop theme music will be happy to note that it pops up on more than one occasion here. all in all, the stronger aspects of this movie are enough to offset its weaknesses. i was/am a huge fan of the original and i was ready to rip this a new one but i came away surprised by the genuine effort put into this to make it a worthwhile addition to the robocop canon. i have no doubt the studio means for this to make money but it also doesn't seem like just another soulless cash-grab. the filmmakers actually have something of their own to say. and that makes it more than alright in my book. hope this impromptu review helps some of you allay your fears over this movie. flaws and all, the robocop remake is definitely watchable.

Everything you have told tells me exactly the way I feared this movie would be. Where to begin? Hmm lets start with comparative from old vs new.

The problem with old vs new, okay does Murphy have a partner who is directly associated with him and would remember him in a certain way and sticks with throughout film to help? (Old yes , new no) Does Murphy have a criminal who is notorious who does dealings with omnicorp employee who has a gang know for drug selling? (Old yes, new no) Was Murphy's memory erased to prevent further conscience feelings say like suicide if depressed with no genitals? (Old yes, new no) Does Murphy have contact with family? (Old no, new yes) Does Murphy take on Rapists in Ghetto? (Old yes, new ???) Does Murphy Drive a Car? (Old yes, new no)

So bottom line is lots wrong... Ntm being that no mention of a new Lois who basically makes Robocop remember who he is ludicrous.
 
Yea that doesn't sound positive to me. Sounds like it has no soul and no real plot driving it forward. No memorable villains or action is an "I'll go see it?" Man, our standards have dropped.

the lack of good villains ALWAYS ends up ruining movies for me. Look at Hanco ck , The movie was not that good to begin with and then no real villains. I Hate when that happens, I HATE IT!!!!!
(Iron Man movies have some villains but never really good ones, which makes those movies kind of suck for me)

This movie might even be good and everything but it sucks that they did it that way.
 
Appreciate the review there Tylerdurden.. :)

I've gotta agree with the others that aren't convinced. Sure - we haven't seen it yet, but you get a pretty good idea of what to expect now.

Our ongoing point about this having no real resonance - or relevance, seems clearer after your summation there.

Sorry. :huh
 
Well I'm sold. I will probably go to see this with the lads.

I personally feel and have been saying on this thread from the beginning that a movie be given a chance. We can always thrash it when and if it turns out to be bad. Have no clue how people start trashing things without even giving things a fair chance. I personally have learnt in life that most times, things will pleasantly surprise us!

In any case i am sure even if the whole movie wakes up from the wrong side of the bed it will be better than mos... ;) ... Wanted to do a monkey but no clue how to do that on this ipad...
 
But the black suit just doesn't lend any credability and no matter how good the performances RoboCop needs to look like ****ing RoboCop!!!!

See there will be a story to it, they will put the classic suite and obviously it will make him slow and or vulnerable and the script will demand him to evolve to possible address for the whole new Nexgen thing wherein the suite needs to be a certain way.

Let's face it - the director has to appeal to multiple generations in this film and am sure thats the reason for the suits.

Lastly, i have a lot of faith in JK... If anyone saw the killing, trust me he is way better an actor than PW... And i am a PW fan...
 
guess what, folks? i've watched the robocop remake. i saw it last wednesday at a special preview screening, but have been too busy to post til now. beware: spoilers to follow, though i've put the major ones inside tags...

right. i've seen a lot of negativity on this thread about the remake, some of it justified/understandable and a lot of it just uncalled for/premature. this is going to come as a major surprise to the haters, but the movie does NOT suck. in fact, it's actually pretty decent. you know how in pre-release interviews, the filmmakers keep talking about about the themes and underlying meaning of a film only for all that to be barely noticeable in the finished result? i hate that. yet here, they've put their money where their mouths are. i was caught off-guard by how introspective and philosophically-minded this movie is. it raises themes of free will, identity, control, and what makes a human being, human. now it is certainly not a deep, profound thought piece but it does give those issues a real airing. there is one scene that really hammers home murphy's existential dilemma in a disturbing and dare i say it --- emotional --- way. this is to me the film's most powerful scene, and it puts the ungloved hand (that i hated) in a completely new context. i'll put it in spoilers:
murphy, having been revived after the bombing, thinks he is a man in a suit. but dr. norton (oldman) shows him the true extent of what they did to him... and it is horrifying. bit by bit, they detach his robotic parts, until all that is left is his head, spinal column, a few basic internal organs and his right hand. but even his hand is just an illusion. it is pretty much a meat glove, slipped over a metal armature. murphy is left in tears, saying: "oh my god. there's nothing left!"

that scene is so well-played by joel kinnaman. although peter weller will always be the definitive robocop/murphy, kinnaman does surprisingly well and i'd say the main reason i liked the film is because i felt for him. they spend just enough time developing his character and kinnaman makes some interesting choices here in portraying both the human and robot sides. the rest of the principal cast is mostly excellent and it is their performances that elevate the material even in its weaker moments (of which there are a fair bit). gary oldman brings weight to his scientist character, and he has sort of a father figure/frankenstein relationship with murphy that is somewhat new to the robocop mythos. samuel l. jackson gets a bit melodramatic but i think that was intentional, as he's playing a tv show host whose spin on the truth is funny and a piss-take of the modern media. he even gets to say motherf--er (though bleeped out). lol. my favourite though is michael keaton, who is very entertaining as the maverick omnicorp ceo.

loved his performance here, but it is a double-edged sword as the way his character is handled leads to the film's biggest --- and to me near-fatal --- flaw. there is no clear villain in this film. actually, there are a number of so-called baddies, but none of them even remotely make any kind of impression. they're just plot devices for murphy's journey. and then at the end, they throw in a call-back to the original by making the omnicorp big-wig the main antagonist. this shouldn't be a major surprise for anyone who's watched enough of the trailers and featurettes. but it sure wasn't properly handled by the filmmakers. it feels like a major disconnect as to why murphy would have a beef with keaton's ceo. they explain it, but it just feels underdeveloped and unsatisfying. the weird thing is, i get the impression they didn't want to repeat the original's plot points beat for beat which is fine, but in avoiding the clean narrative through-line that verhoeven's version had, this one suffers greatly.

and the other major weakness of the film is unmemorable action. frankly, i could not name you a single kicka$$ action moment in this film. don't get me wrong, the action is okay but doesn't come close to the many fist-pumping moments of the original. director jose padilha tries some gimmicky visuals with some of the action, like lighting the gunfights in pitch darkness using only muzzle flares, and a video game-style 1st person perspective. but they just lack impact.

btw, fans of basil pouledouris' robocop theme music will be happy to note that it pops up on more than one occasion here. all in all, the stronger aspects of this movie are enough to offset its weaknesses. i was/am a huge fan of the original and i was ready to rip this a new one but i came away surprised by the genuine effort put into this to make it a worthwhile addition to the robocop canon. i have no doubt the studio means for this to make money but it also doesn't seem like just another soulless cash-grab. the filmmakers actually have something of their own to say. and that makes it more than alright in my book. hope this impromptu review helps some of you allay your fears over this movie. flaws and all, the robocop remake is definitely watchable.




It's playing here in Malaysia? WHERE? TELL ME!
 
Great review.

I'm seeing a lot of the same kind of sentiments from other people that viewed it too. Good to see that people feel it's a reboot done right. I'm really looking forward to that scene everyone keeps talking about. I also hope that rumor I'm hearing about the suit is true, that will shut me up about the "black tactical rubber" that I was *****ing about months ago.

thanks difabio. i too hated the black suit, and though i'm still not sold on its design, rest assured the film portrays it as being made out of metal. minor SPOILER: when murphy meets his wife after becoming robocop, she rests her head on his chest and there is a very clear metallic "clunk" sound and a "brushing against metal surface" sound when she touches his black armour. also, later in the film when his suit gets damaged, it clearly shows that the breakage pattern is metal in nature and not fiberglass or rubber. plus the sound design conveys the sound of servos and hydraulics with every move he makes. i still think weller's jagged movements were essential to selling the robot feel, which this film discards in favour of more fluid movement.

the version 1.0 silver suit is very cool and still way better as a design (rob bottin's original suit makes an appearance on a holographic display). SPOILER: at the end of the film, they revert to the silver 1.0 armour. it's almost as if the filmmakers are acknowledging that the original look is better.



There was plenty of positive in that review.

there were more likes for me than dislikes at the end of the day. and what worked for me, worked really well. i just wish they handled certain aspects with a bit more thought put in.


Everything you have told tells me exactly the way I feared this movie would be.

The problem with old vs new, okay does Murphy have a partner who is directly associated with him and would remember him in a certain way and sticks with throughout film to help? (Old yes , new no) Was Murphy's memory erased to prevent further conscience feelings say like suicide if depressed with no genitals? (Old yes, new no) Does Murphy have contact with family? (Old no, new yes) Does Murphy Drive a Car? (Old yes, new no)

his partner officer lewis is in the film. however, in this version he is a black dude not nancy allen. :lol
i didn't mention it because i didn't want to give too much away, but since you brought it up, here you go. to answer your question, yes, lewis is there from the start and remains an ally til the end.

as for murphy's memories not being erased, the remake takes a different route and to me it is just as valid. it is about exploring the implications of losing your identity right in front of your own eyes, while you're aware of it. in some ways, it's more painful. same with the allowing him contact with his family, it's a different approach with different implications. don't think i should elaborate more.

and i don't see what murphy driving a car has to do with the movie being good. he could drive a bus/car/truck/horse-drawn carriage but if it sucks in every other aspect it still sucks, and vice versa.


the lack of good villains ALWAYS ends up ruining movies for me.

yes, that is my main issue with the remake. i have a weird feeling a good deal of plot development was left on the cutting room floor that would've cleared up the connections between the baddies and murphy.


Appreciate the review there Tylerdurden.. :)

Our ongoing point about this having no real resonance - or relevance, seems clearer after your summation there.

thanks vintijdroidgutzz. regarding this not having resonance or relevance, it depends on what you're looking for. to me there is definitely a timeless resonance with the issues of humanity and what defines it, and the notion of control and how much do you need to be considered having "free will"? those are very interesting points the film presents and although it ultimately doesn't give us a clear-cut "answer" to them all, it does at least have a point of view. as for relevance, the whole thing about independently-functional war drones and the distortion/manipulation of the media are very current topics which the film highlights.



I personally feel and have been saying on this thread from the beginning that a movie be given a chance. We can always thrash it when and if it turns out to be bad. Have no clue how people start trashing things without even giving things a fair chance. I personally have learnt in life that most times, things will pleasantly surprise us!

yes, that is exactly my stance leon 911. i believe in giving any film the benefit of the doubt. i guess there will always be people who insist on making up their minds beforehand and that's up to them. i say, you take out of a film what you bring into it. i'm pretty sure if you go in looking for a certain flaw or shortcoming you will find it, and it will be magnified for you.


It's playing here in Malaysia? WHERE? TELL ME!

it's playing nationwide, dude.
 
:lol I said Lois instead of Lewis. smh Man... damn MoS thread.

(Edit: Wait a tick, you didnt metion a data streamer pike coming from his hand...)
 
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