I wonder, anyone think Trunks and Goten being able to go Super Saiyan would have worked if they could only do it as Gotenks? Would have still had the special feeling, and probably show off strong Gotenks is; they'd probably be able to go Super Saiyan normally afterward.
Ehh, in some ways it is, in some it isn't in my opinion. Goku dying and never returning, Vegeta swearing off fighting and not having a proper way to end his rivalry with Goku, and Gohan not getting the true peace he wanted (since his father was dead) makes it a little tragic; the Buu saga ended things on a pretty peaceful note in my opinion since Gohan finally became the scholar he wanted and started his own family, Vegeta and Goku were friendly rivals, Vegeta was able to make amends with his family and Goku as well. In a sense, Kid Trunks was also able to live his life the way his alternate future counterpart would have wanted. The Buu Saga is still very flawed for DBZ but I like it for the ending, since it's on a happy note fitting for DBZ and there's no looose ends. The Cell Saga was great but the ending is sort of a downer
I'd mostly buy normal goku as fast as possible because he;s guaranteed skyrocketing in a few months if not earlier. Some places still have him at lowest price, toyarena among others.
Mystic Gohan stronger than SSJ3? I doubt it.On Vegeta at SSJ2 being stronger than SSJ3 Goku in BoG, I'm not sure if it's about form honestly. Mystic Gohan might be stronger than SSJ3 Goku after all and he never had to go Super Saiyan.
SSJ2 Vegeta might be outmatched by SSJ3 Goku but keep in mind that Vegeta was barely able to do anything to Kid Buu (both dead and alive) and yet, he kept getting back up, while SSJ 3 Goku was also struggling. So Vegeta might have a chance.
The Buu Saga might have been intended to be a lot sillier than previous sagas honestly, due to Kid Trunks and Goten. I mean, look at Majin Buu people, come on. It still had some serious moments - namely when there was nothing to do with Kid Trunks and Goten - but still.
Umm...yeah. Wise move!If you want to discuss this more, please PM me, This discussion is inappropriate here in this thread.
I think the SSJ3 form, while initially attainable only in a different dimension/plane, can later be reached anytime, in any realm. It just takes practice and training to be able to properly sustain it which is why Goku seemed to have difficulties when he was alive again; he didn't get the time to hone it. This fact can be slightly alluded by the events in BoG where Goku is able to reach SSJ3 without much struggle (read screaming, charging etc.)Hold on, SSJ3 isn't only obtainable in death. Gotenks achieved it, though it might be likely it's only obtainable on a different plane since he went SSJ3 in the hyperbolic time chamber and Goku in Other World. It's possible instead it's hard to maintain in a regular plane (Earth and Kai Planet) and we do know that Goku had more limitations with it when he was alive again, as he had no problems with it when he was dead and fighting Fat Buu.
I think you're still right that SSJ3 only gives power though, but Gotenks did seem faster with it. Who knows? It likely did increase durability, since that goes with power. Technique wise we saw nothing. It did drain and nearly cripple Goku and Gotenks though, like an amplified Kaio Ken did to Goku against Vegeta and Freiza. SSJ 1 and 2 didn't seem to ruin any of the Saiyans ever.
Maybe it was his first attempt at using the form and so he wasn't able to tap into the form's full abilities. Plus, his mind was somewhat corrupted, or should I say, distracted byI still don't know why they call it Super Saiyan GOD. What was so "Godly" about it? It's just a temporary power boost. It just gave him the ability to attain "Godly Ki" so he can keep up with Beerus, and that's it. There's no new mystical abilities you would think would come with the term GOD, such as immortality, prophetic vision, altering your size or anything like that. You would think that once Goku became a "God," he would be able to sense that Whis had a higher power level than Beerus immediately even if he was suppressing it, and that the dimension in which DBZ takes place was just one out of 12 total universes/dimensions with beings that make every single character in DBZ look like ants, but NOPE. None of that at all. Which is why I call it "SSj God AKA not-Kaioken." It's just Goku at Kaioken x1000 or whatever. Goku was already God-like without it, he could freakin' teleport anywhere in the universe in an instant, whereas it takes Whis/Beerus several hours to travel to King Kai's planet. But Toriyama's word is canon, so I can't argue with it
Yes. But I believe he's travelling in the same universe and that too within a comparatively smaller area.going to kai world since its another dimension altogether, then namek i believe.
Agreed. I just based my opinion of Goku and Gotenks, for that matter, being able to go SSJ3 upon the events that transpired in the anime and that they co-incidentally(or deliberately) happened to take place in another dimension.It was never said that the transformation was only attainable whilst training in another dimension, only that Goku was able to push his limits far beyond that of the physical plain where there are "physical" constraints that greatly hinder ability to train without boundaries. In other-world, beings deemed worthy heroes are allowed to keep their mortal bodies as recognition of their greatness in life. However they do not "need" sustenance, nor do their bodies tire or fatigue. This allowed Goku to train harder and more "spiritually" than ever before, SS 3 is the result of this training.
In the case of Gotenks being able to reproduce Goku's transformation is simple, and it has already been posted in subsequent pages. Goku rewarded the boys by giving them a private audience with his newly perfected transformation. By this time in Z, all the Z warriors are all able to read warriors KI energy. It is my personal opinion that the boys, having witnessed Goku's technique, utilised this ability and were able to isolate the inner transformation occurring and reproduce its effect. However, they are only able to do so as Gotenks, as separately they do no possess the vast amounts of base energy to maintain the "transformed state".
Buu saga, was and is totally far-king epic! Only thing I didn't like was the sudden excess of completely useless Kais, that contribute absolutely nothing to the cause at all.
Great break down SupernaturalThere have been a few ignorant statements made here regarding the various forms of Buu and their respective power levels, Vegeta's and Goku's grudge match and Vegeta's last stand against Kid Buu. So, I'll do my best to demystify any misconceptions you might have.
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