Silrian
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I ish not amused...
Then why do you use GIFs yourself? Wouldn't your point, assuming you have one, be stronger without them...?
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Then why do you use GIFs yourself? Wouldn't your point, assuming you have one, be stronger without them...?
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Oh sorry, i should correct it to "i am not amused by your gifs"
Silrian
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I (mis)took your reply as "I dislike people who use GIFs", which is a bad point to make if you use them yourself. But you meant "I dislike specifically the GIFs you guys just used"?
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I (mis)took your reply as "I dislike people who use GIFs", which is a bad point to make if you use them yourself. But you meant "I dislike specifically the GIFs you guys just used"?
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Its all fun.
Wait...
So you don't like our GIFs?
What made you figure that out, my first gif or when i corrected myself?
Silrian
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What made you figure that out, my first gif or when i corrected myself?
Honestly, a lot of people tend to overgeneralise and over assume things on the internet (Really? Yeah.... really) So I tend to more and more interpret people in the most negative way. It's kinda annoying.
Thanks for the two GIFs btw.
*added to collection*
Big Deano
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Wait, he wasnt canon?
Tarbles special was the same as Bardocks, none of the "upper class" dragonball buffs considered either as canon since it wasnt only Toriyama that designed the story and animation.
Now that Tarble is officially canon (unless Toriyama messed up), we could possibly consider bardocks super saiyan story canon too, although I fear I may have opened the floodgates by saying that lol.
Science Friction
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I'm still waiting for both Tarble and Bardock to get figures. Bardock should come with SSJ option parts. I'm surprised Bandai didn't do a SSJ God Goku or Lord Bills SHF figure this year, but I don't really understand the Japanese collector market very well.
That said, BoG was AMAZING! I loved it. It did more than just provide some classic Dragon Ball humor and action, but also added layers to the characters and showed more character growth. At this point, I really think a new series should be made following from BoG and disregarding GT.
Also, moar toys moar often.
That said, BoG was AMAZING! I loved it. It did more than just provide some classic Dragon Ball humor and action, but also added layers to the characters and showed more character growth. At this point, I really think a new series should be made following from BoG and disregarding GT.
Also, moar toys moar often.
Silrian
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The whole canon thing in fiction doesn't really matter much anyway in my opinion. Hell, for me DBZ is a dub that half its fans don't give a crap about and don't even consider manga accurate at times, I mean, it's really about what you choose to consume and what you like in any given material.
It's like with Star Wars, I'm almost a bigger fan of Bioware's Old Republic-verse then I am of the original trilogy. (Yea, let that sink in for a while...) Obviously it's not canon, yet I consider it as a valid part of what I call Star Wars. Contrary, Darth Maul apparently did not die after Ep I, yet I'm still gonna act as if he did. Is there rhyme or reason to that? No, it's just me picking whatever I like about said franchise.
The only use I see in canon is settling nerd-rage-debates... Well, sometimes I get why a fan base would want things straighten out, but... honestly, how important is that even? If Tarble or whatever the F his name is is canon all of a sudden, it won't change who Vegeta is for me, or whatever. (He's Vegeta's brother isn't he?) To me there's four saiyans who survived Vegeta's destruction. The rest I don't care about. There's nothing Toriyama could do about that now... If he came out and said BROLY IS HARDCORE CANON, I still would ignore the crap out of 'm...
Canon?
It's like with Star Wars, I'm almost a bigger fan of Bioware's Old Republic-verse then I am of the original trilogy. (Yea, let that sink in for a while...) Obviously it's not canon, yet I consider it as a valid part of what I call Star Wars. Contrary, Darth Maul apparently did not die after Ep I, yet I'm still gonna act as if he did. Is there rhyme or reason to that? No, it's just me picking whatever I like about said franchise.
The only use I see in canon is settling nerd-rage-debates... Well, sometimes I get why a fan base would want things straighten out, but... honestly, how important is that even? If Tarble or whatever the F his name is is canon all of a sudden, it won't change who Vegeta is for me, or whatever. (He's Vegeta's brother isn't he?) To me there's four saiyans who survived Vegeta's destruction. The rest I don't care about. There's nothing Toriyama could do about that now... If he came out and said BROLY IS HARDCORE CANON, I still would ignore the crap out of 'm...
Canon?
Silrian
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FTR: I respect whoever does care for canon. I just don't see the point much. It's all just fictional. I wouldn't base how much you appreciate something on whether it's canon or not, is more my point.
Science Friction
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I think it's a discussion best left alone for the most part. We all have our POVs on canon, some accept it, some do not. To say it's just fiction, well, I'm sure there is some psychology to argue that just because it's fictional doesn't mean it should or doesn't have established boundaries. Or something. Who knows, it's not my field of study, lol.
I'm like you to some extent Silrian, I have what I accept, and that is what I enjoy.
I'm like you to some extent Silrian, I have what I accept, and that is what I enjoy.
Silrian
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^ I think that's the most generally respecting way to go about it. I understand that canon isn't a meaningless concept. But I think it's only functional as a guideline in keeping a fan base connected, not as some rule people have to adjust to whenever the canon is changed.
If people really differ in what they like, then I don't think canon is a justified way to settle that. Everyone has every right to like whatever they want for whatever reason. Even a creator can't imo force that. At best one could argue someone doesn't adhere to the original vision.. Well... As if that conclusion is gonna change much...
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, eventually, imho.
If people really differ in what they like, then I don't think canon is a justified way to settle that. Everyone has every right to like whatever they want for whatever reason. Even a creator can't imo force that. At best one could argue someone doesn't adhere to the original vision.. Well... As if that conclusion is gonna change much...
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, eventually, imho.
Science Friction
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Yup. That's a good way to put it.
I think most of us are of that age group that actually grew up playing with toys and creating our own stories. I think that's begun to change more recently as kids focus less on creating when playing, because video games aren't exactly asking you to come up with a story line. lol.
As far as Dragon Ball, there is so much out there now, that it's all about the individual I think. A great example of that is the recent Dragon Ball MMO in Japan (I think that's what it was anyway). Pretty cool idea, and really plays off that idea that Dragon Ball is something different to many people.
For example, how you view SSJ has become pretty splintered. Do you draw from Lord Slug? The manga? Battle of Gods? DBGT? Z anime? etc.
I will say that personally, I accept BoG as part of my canon, and it answers the question of what happened to Goku post GT?
I think most of us are of that age group that actually grew up playing with toys and creating our own stories. I think that's begun to change more recently as kids focus less on creating when playing, because video games aren't exactly asking you to come up with a story line. lol.
As far as Dragon Ball, there is so much out there now, that it's all about the individual I think. A great example of that is the recent Dragon Ball MMO in Japan (I think that's what it was anyway). Pretty cool idea, and really plays off that idea that Dragon Ball is something different to many people.
For example, how you view SSJ has become pretty splintered. Do you draw from Lord Slug? The manga? Battle of Gods? DBGT? Z anime? etc.
I will say that personally, I accept BoG as part of my canon, and it answers the question of what happened to Goku post GT?
Silrian
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Hm yeah might be so about toys vs games. I don't know. We do have RPG's and very active fan fiction around those, so I'm not sure whether it applies. It'll apply to some, but I knew plenty of people who didn't play with toys that way either. Personally, I'd have less trouble trying to maintain interest in the non-series stuff if it had the faulconer score, but even then I don't care at all for everything after Cell unfortunately. Because the Funi dub gave it an increasingly less wacky vibe, it clashed a lot more with how the material was originally meant during the, imo, much more wacky Buu saga. So I don't know if BoG will interest me, I'll give it a try once they've dubbed it. (I normally do watch all anime in japanese, but DBZ is to such an extent en exception that I barely experience it as an anime.)
Typical anecdote: a pall of mine had never seen DBZ, he didn't have the channel when it was on back in the day. So he watched it and by a coincidental mistake he wound up watching the english dub with the japanese music (thinking it was "the english dub"). When we found out during talking about it, I showed him the Funi dub/score. And regardless of what he preferred, his first reaction was "Damn dude, this is so different, this isn't at all how I know DBZ." Which kinda proves my point that, regardless of what anyone prefers, DBZ has two very different versions. And it's specifically what the Ocean/Funi dubs did with it that appealed to me a lot. My buddy (quite a level headed guy, bing a student in medicine) literally told me "Okay now I kinda get why you speak about DBZ as if it's so serious. This does feel way more dramatic." Granted we're both individuals who care about music a lot (both musicians too), either on its own or in film, but still it shows that DBZ is in a very weird position when it comes to its fan base.
It's obviously not like MMPR, with DBZ having the same story and video material, but damn, with dub, music, and even genuine dialog changes, sometimes it does feel like that to me. So yeah since I realised that stuff, I started thinking like, what DOES it matter what's "canon" or how someone else views it? It's all about what person X or Y likes and if they like the same thing, yay, it's shareable, if not, fine too, wish ya well.
As I've said in the past, I might not even count as a DBZ fan in general, but I'm a hardcore fan of the Ocean/Funi DBZ up to and with Cell and it's one many people do seem to share. So, yeah, weird times fellas.
Typical anecdote: a pall of mine had never seen DBZ, he didn't have the channel when it was on back in the day. So he watched it and by a coincidental mistake he wound up watching the english dub with the japanese music (thinking it was "the english dub"). When we found out during talking about it, I showed him the Funi dub/score. And regardless of what he preferred, his first reaction was "Damn dude, this is so different, this isn't at all how I know DBZ." Which kinda proves my point that, regardless of what anyone prefers, DBZ has two very different versions. And it's specifically what the Ocean/Funi dubs did with it that appealed to me a lot. My buddy (quite a level headed guy, bing a student in medicine) literally told me "Okay now I kinda get why you speak about DBZ as if it's so serious. This does feel way more dramatic." Granted we're both individuals who care about music a lot (both musicians too), either on its own or in film, but still it shows that DBZ is in a very weird position when it comes to its fan base.
It's obviously not like MMPR, with DBZ having the same story and video material, but damn, with dub, music, and even genuine dialog changes, sometimes it does feel like that to me. So yeah since I realised that stuff, I started thinking like, what DOES it matter what's "canon" or how someone else views it? It's all about what person X or Y likes and if they like the same thing, yay, it's shareable, if not, fine too, wish ya well.
As I've said in the past, I might not even count as a DBZ fan in general, but I'm a hardcore fan of the Ocean/Funi DBZ up to and with Cell and it's one many people do seem to share. So, yeah, weird times fellas.
Silrian
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And from now on I'll stop boring the frig out of the thread here and just not comment on stuff that doesn't interest me. Sorry about rambling.
You guys have fun hypothesising canon.XD
You guys have fun hypothesising canon.XD
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I have no problem saying, I just didn't want to put a tease out there for those for haven't seen it.
But I'll say this: I didn't like the method used to transform Goku into god mode. I would have liked if they explored the god concept more, although, you might argue Goku has had "godlike" power for so long and it didn't change anything, so why now. However, if it explored the concept of giving Goku vast knowledge, how would it affect his nativity. How would someone so pure and childlike as Goku deal with the knowledge of all the horrors in our world? Like I said, I would have liked it to be much longer. I don't know how specific you wanted me to get.
There was a lot to like! And I have no problem with the God look. It's simplicity was perfect for the situation and I would not have wanted it anymore elaborate. It makes sense, the way it happened, and I really liked how it tied back to Kaioken.
My favorite scene was the way Vegeta defended his wife.
But I'll say this: I didn't like the method used to transform Goku into god mode. I would have liked if they explored the god concept more, although, you might argue Goku has had "godlike" power for so long and it didn't change anything, so why now. However, if it explored the concept of giving Goku vast knowledge, how would it affect his nativity. How would someone so pure and childlike as Goku deal with the knowledge of all the horrors in our world? Like I said, I would have liked it to be much longer. I don't know how specific you wanted me to get.
There was a lot to like! And I have no problem with the God look. It's simplicity was perfect for the situation and I would not have wanted it anymore elaborate. It makes sense, the way it happened, and I really liked how it tied back to Kaioken.
My favorite scene was the way Vegeta defended his wife.
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