S.H.FiguArts Dragonball Z figures!!!

[The_Philosopher]

Please someone make a seperatethread for knockoffs and post to your utter heart's delight.

I'm in the thread for the real product line by tamashii and an occasional drift to general dbz talk, though mainly when any news is lacking.

Again seems both easy and orderly. Just make a new thread for this, tis what you do on forums.

This would be illogical, this thread has spent several posts discussing other DBZ/GT lines (Jakks, Irwin, IF Labs, Zero, Banpresto, etc) Not to mention there is only 1 figure from this bootleg line. It's not enough to warrant a new thread, especially while this one was (and still is) used to discuss other lines that relate to DBZ or Figuarts (and this bootleg relates to both).

I'm sorry that you have to see it being discussed: but like it or not, it is relevant to the thread. Especially since the future of the line may be tied to this (as in what characters get re-issued)

 

[The_Philosopher]

Silrian, you may be collecting DBZ S.H. Figuarts exclusively by brand. But some of us are just collecting detailed super poseable DBZ characters.

I'm collecting this line because these are the best representations of the DBZ characters available IMO. If one from another line appears to represent them better OR the best one isn't available, then I look to other lines so that I'll get the characters that I want. (this is why people fill in gaps with Banpresto figures)

I'm loyal to the best available product, not brand.

 

[Big Deano]

I will admit that im in this line and the PR one only, statues and other figures dont cut it for me, but as ive said before, as long as these statues arent used as an excuse not to release said character as a figure I am fine with others collecting them.

The statues have came up in conversation many times in this thread, but no one cared then, and thats all I will say on this matter of whether bootlegs "belong" here.

 

[Jayrod88]

At this point, I'm pretty sure we will get a rerelease of SS Vegeta this year... Where the hell did Derranger go?

 

[timone317]

I would only customize the bootleg IF Tamashii re-releases the SS Vegeta thereby voiding my use for the bootleg as a Vegeta stand-in.

Many fund their collections by selling customs

The line for collectors and customizers are one in the same.

In reality, this line is for customers. So both of you are in the right line (>_>)

I find smilies endlessly frustrating but this thread itself has been a bit frustrating...so here's to this post and the other posts you've made.

 

[budafett]

The bootlegs are fake plain and simple. It doesn't matter who the line is directed at but fakes are fakes. They hurt the license holders, authorized dealers, etc.

The only people who benefit are the bootleggers and those who are too cheap to shell out for the original. Your cheapness hurts the hobby.

 

[blood]

I would only customize the bootleg IF Tamashii re-releases the SS Vegeta thereby voiding my use for the bootleg as a Vegeta stand-in.

Many fund their collections by selling customs

The line for collectors and customizers are one in the same.

In reality, this line is for customers. So both of you are in the right line (>_>)

Sorry Blood, dont agree with you there. This line is for anyone that enjoys dbz; sure the figures are collectible, but they are mostly made just to be enjoyed. I praise customisers as much as I do a completionist, heck, if I had the skill I would be making customs myself!

This thread has never had a hierarchy, lets not add one in please.

As much as I dislike bootlegs, its not my place to say whether someone isnt a true collector because they want one. Honestly if I was in the position where I didnt manage to grab Vegeta I would get the bootleg, at least until the real one became affordable.

Oh, i enjoy seeing mods and repaints to figures and statue's but if you missed out on something, tough luck finding it. but thats the fun part about "collecting". To hunt down something you desire so much and the joy you get when you finally found it, especially at a good price (patience is the key to this one). so dont cheap out, get lazy or unpatient and buy bootlegs...

This would be illogical, this thread has spent several posts discussing other DBZ/GT lines (Jakks, Irwin, IF Labs, Zero, Banpresto, etc) Not to mention there is only 1 figure from this bootleg line. It's not enough to warrant a new thread, especially while this one was (and still is) used to discuss other lines that relate to DBZ or Figuarts (and this bootleg relates to both).

I'm sorry that you have to see it being discussed: but like it or not, it is relevant to the thread. Especially since the future of the line may be tied to this (as in what characters get re-issued)

I will admit that im in this line and the PR one only, statues and other figures dont cut it for me, but as ive said before, as long as these statues arent used as an excuse not to release said character as a figure I am fine with others collecting them.

The statues have came up in conversation many times in this thread, but no one cared then, and thats all I will say on this matter of whether bootlegs "belong" here.

if im not mistaken, you're not allowed to talk about recast on this forum which i believe knock-offs/bootlegs is pretty much the same thing

The bootlegs are fake plain and simple. It doesn't matter who the line is directed at but fakes are fakes. They hurt the license holders, authorized dealers, etc.

The only people who benefit are the bootleggers and those who are too cheap to shell out for the original. Your cheapness hurts the hobby.

and i'll say amen to that

 

[cardinal]

Not everyone can afford these especially if they're late to the game. Bootlegging is merely a result of that. I'm sure if these were readily available and priced reasonably people would prefer retail over cheap knock offs. People buy knockoffs because they have no other choice.

 

[blood]

oh im sorry, but i missed out on a lot of statue's and busts too from other stuff that i collect and even though recast of said statue/bust exist, i wont buy it. i have a mindset of original or nothing. the best i can do is keep searching and save money or hope for another statue of the same character to come out.

just to give you an example

This Warior alien bust was originaly 999 dollars

Got sold here for 6000+? euros

Asking price here is 5200 dollars

i currently cant find a recast on ebay but i've seen some going for 800 and such and here's a pic

so i know how you guys are feeling :

 

[Jayrod88]

I've said it a million times. Supporting the line financially will lengthen the line and dive deeper into the character pool. Supporting the bootlegs will damage Tamashii's intentions, and they may say **** it. Don't be cheap. Ok, so 2 figures are at Hot Toys prices... Set $20-$50 away a month and save up to buy it. Truthfully, if you can't afford them, then your priorities are in the wrong place. Keep the bootleg's on here, so any ( new or current) buyers know what to look for when trying to buy authentic figures.

 

[Big Deano]

I'll say no more on it after this, but it is not fair to call anyone who wants to buy this bootleg cheap, not while Vegeta currently costs a fair chunk of a normal wage. Its also not right to say its taking revenue from tamashii, since they havent made any Vegeta figures in over two years. The only people who profit from someone buying a Vegeta at this stage are scalpers. It would be a different story if the bootleggers made the likes of normal Goku as soon as he came out, but as it stands, no one gers hurt from this apart from scalpers.

It isnt our decision what others use their money on, heck, id call someone crazy if they bought Vegeta at his current price! All this bootleg serves as is a stand in or a custom piece, nothing more. When that changes, then you will hear me moan

 

[Rrashidp]

I think what others are also worried about is if the bootleg vegeta gets popular n ppl are buying it and then the bootlegs come out quicker and even during the same time as an original figure being made then ppl will go for the bootleg instead cuz its cheaper an then it will start to hurt the line, right now that vegeta cant hurt the line but that vegeta will cause a chain reaction an potentially hurt future releases instead

 

[Big Deano]

That I do agree with, and immediately after posting my last, I decided to go on ebay and low and behold there are sailor moon figuarts selling at £12.... clearly bootlegs, and judging by the quality id say by the same makers.

 

[blood]

I've said it a million times. Supporting the line financially will lengthen the line and dive deeper into the character pool. Supporting the bootlegs will damage Tamashii's intentions, and they may say **** it. Don't be cheap. Ok, so 2 figures are at Hot Toys prices... Set $20-$50 away a month and save up to buy it. Truthfully, if you can't afford them, then your priorities are in the wrong place. Keep the bootleg's on here, so any ( new or current) buyers know what to look for when trying to buy authentic figures.

I'll say no more on it after this, but it is not fair to call anyone who wants to buy this bootleg cheap, not while Vegeta currently costs a fair chunk of a normal wage. Its also not right to say its taking revenue from tamashii, since they havent made any Vegeta figures in over two years. The only people who profit from someone buying a Vegeta at this stage are scalpers. It would be a different story if the bootleggers made the likes of normal Goku as soon as he came out, but as it stands, no one gers hurt from this apart from scalpers.

It isnt our decision what others use their money on, heck, id call someone crazy if they bought Vegeta at his current price! All this bootleg serves as is a stand in or a custom piece, nothing more. When that changes, then you will hear me moan

oh i foresee some moaning, but everyone has their sites that hopefully doesnt stock fakes, right? but if that happens it'll hurt the sales

people who are unaware will buy a cheap vegeta thinking he's worthy of 200-300 dollars when it's not
then a time might come that they'll sell the figure with or without box for a higher price saying it's original. unaware or not, the whole fiasco will begin

 

[blood]

I think what others are also worried about is if the bootleg vegeta gets popular n ppl are buying it and then the bootlegs come out quicker and even during the same time as an original figure being made then ppl will go for the bootleg instead cuz its cheaper an then it will start to hurt the line, right now that vegeta cant hurt the line but that vegeta will cause a chain reaction an potentially hurt future releases instead

or this.

 

[Silrian]

Not everyone can afford these especially if they're late to the game. Bootlegging is merely a result of that. I'm sure if these were readily available and priced reasonably people would prefer retail over cheap knock offs. People buy knockoffs because they have no other choice.

Bull f@cking $h!t. They have the choice to accept they missed out on ssj vegeta, or can't afford it, yes, they do. Nobody is entitled to having these. It has nothing to do with fairness, at all. There's no moral argument for owning a ssj vegeta toy! Nobody is treated unfairly if they missed out on something just because it's sold out. If you think that's unfair, you think market functioning as a whole is unfair. That's fine, but that debate isn't to be had in a thread like this. Bootlegs are a result of people trying to cash in on scalpers with fake cheaper versions. Whether they succeed is on consumers. There is no reason you SHOULD buy it, you can only WANT to buy it and in my view a true collector doesn't WANT fakes. By definition. I can't believe this point is actually argued on a forum dedicated to collecting. A true collector does not buy fakes as a replacement for real pieces. Period. You might as well not buy any originals at all anymore. In fact, like has been stated, a true collector cares for the thing they collect, and as such wouldn't cave in to something that could really screw the line. The pinnacle of something screwing a product is a cheap ****ing knockoff! Why the HELL do you think copyright was invented? If you think this product is too expensive, then don't buy it. But a knockoff is not collecting the original line. Ever. It's insulting it and its manufacturers.

Go ahead and talk about it here on the forum, it's a free... Internet, I won't actually try to stop you or anything. But I think it's ridiculous I have to stomach it in the main thread for the official line. I will state it again, it's easy, orderly and above all both cordially to other fans and respectful of the integrity of a collector forum as well as the product in question to at least do it somewhere seperate from the thread on the official line.

The fact that this discussion is even remotely a thing now is ridiculous in and of itself. Are people going to buy knockoffs of all of these when each sells out? And eventually, they will all sell out. What the genuine flying f@ck is that mentality? If you're a kid and you want a toy THEN I get buying knockoffs. Are you kids...?

Anyone can do as they wish, ultimately moderators decide what does and doesn't belong in a thread, not my forum, and I will abide by whatever happens, if anything at all. But you've lost my respect as a collector when you buy knockoffs as a replacement of the real thing, no excuses.

/rantover

 

[SupernaturalAddict]

Don't any of you understand business? The only money Tamashii ever sees is from wholesale orders and stockists. Tamashii's profits are only as good as the performance of their latest release.That is were they make their money, not these opportunistic capitalist douche bags holding these older figures to ransom. Bootleggers aren't hurting this line, scalpers are. When legitimate buyers aren't able to buy these figures at launch from licensed stockist because some ******* bought 10 in order to extort genuine collectors on the internet - that hurts the line! So it is totally illogical for any of you to say that people interested in this line are being cheap or aren't supporting Tamashii! If there wasn't such a demand for this figure the need for bootlegs would be moot. Yes, bootleggers are out to make a profit also but at least their forthright with the immorality of their actions - unlike scalpers. All you so called purists are hypocritical bigots! If you didn't already have that figure would you feel the same? Come down of your high horses and try some empathy - it's good for humanity and yourselves.

 

[blood]

do you really think these bootlegs exist because of vegeta?

 

[Jayrod88]

Don't any of you understand business? The only money Tamashii ever sees is from wholesale orders and stockists. Tamashii's profits are only as good as the performance of their latest release.That is were they make their money, not these opportunistic capitalist douche bags holding these older figures to ransom. Bootleggers aren't hurting this line, scalpers are. When legitimate buyers aren't able to buy these figures at launch from licensed stockist because some ******* bought 10 in order to extort genuine collectors on the internet - that hurts the line! So it is totally illogical for any of you to say that people interested in this line are being cheap or aren't supporting Tamashii! If there wasn't such a demand for this figure the need for bootlegs would be moot. Yes, bootleggers are out to make a profit also but at least their forthright with the immorality of their actions - unlike scalpers. All you so called purists are hypocritical bigots! If you didn't already have that figure would you feel the same? Come down of your high horses and try some empathy - it's good for humanity and yourselves.

I had SS Vegeta, I bought him for $120. I sold off my collection at a very buyer happy price. Now I'm back at the bottom hbing to rebuild my collection. So far I have Krillin ordered and Normal Goku preordered. SS Vegeta will get purchased when I set money aside through the weeks. He's a solid figure and not worth $200, but, if thats a price I may have to pay to have a complete up to date collection then so be it. I am only spending the infalted price for past released figures. So I will bite the bullet for that. Inbetween now and when I do buy SS Vegeta, I hope Tamashii states a rerelease is in the works. If not, then its a $200 purchase i will make!

 

[Silrian]

Oh and just to clear, I didn't mean that as a petsonal attack, I just riffed off the person I quoted. Als of note: I'm not talking about customisers at all, unless insofar the practical argument stand that anyone supporting commercial succes of bootlegs could takepart in harming the line. So unfortunately that could include customisers too, would their share be a significant one in bootleggers harming the the shf line in some way.