S.H.FiguArts Dragonball Z figures!!!

[timone317]

Don't any of you understand business? The only money Tamashii ever sees is from wholesale orders and stockists. Tamashii's profits are only as good as the performance of their latest release.That is were they make their money, not these opportunistic capitalist ****** bags holding these older figures to ransom. Bootleggers aren't hurting this line, scalpers are. When legitimate buyers aren't able to buy these figures at launch from licensed stockist because some ******* bought 10 in order to extort genuine collectors on the internet - that hurts the line! So it is totally illogical for any of you to say that people interested in this line are being cheap or aren't supporting Tamashii! If there wasn't such a demand for this figure the need for bootlegs would be moot. Yes, bootleggers are out to make a profit also but at least their forthright with the immorality of their actions - unlike scalpers. All you so called purists are hypocritical bigots! If you didn't already have that figure would you feel the same? Come down of your high horses and try some empathy - it's good for humanity and yourselves.

Yes yes and yes. I seriously don't know what everyone else is on about. Some of you seem to think ANYONE buying ANY bootlegs will make the universe collapse into itself. I don't know anyone personally that wants a bootleg to make up for the lack of the real product but to chastize such an action and say "tough luck, should've bought it when it came out" is really childish...and the thing about priorities is also absurd. Maybe someone DOES have their priorities in the right place and this caused them to miss out and now they have a chance to get something they want...which would be easier if Bandai would release reissues more frequently but this isn't the case. Hm. I'd prefer not to endorse bootlegging but I fail to see what people have to gain from admonishing those that even suggest they want a well made bootleg. It will devalue the original product, is that the issue? Well it shouldn't be unless you intend on reselling (or price gouging) them at a later date, and even if that's the case I highly doubt a short line of bootlegs will even have a tiny effect on the demand for the existing product. They make 500 of these and people get them? Big deal, it shall make a minor insignificant impact. 50,000? THEN there's a problem...but that isn't the case.

ugh...SOMEONE please say something else, preferably Figuarts related.

 

[ashboi89]

ANYWAYS has the poll been show tamashii yet ... you know the one we did where we listed figures we most likey wanted.... I RATHER HAVE JANEMBA THEN BROLY

 

[budafett]

The idea that bootlegging doesn't hurt Tamashii is completely incorrect. Economically bootlegging hurts brands and will hurt profits no matter how late the product was released that's being bootlegged.

It's good business for consumers who settle for fakes and the bootleggers. Economically it hurts everyone. ( full disclosure I minored in economics with a major in business)

 

[Silrian]

All you so called purists are hypocritical bigots! If you didn't already have that figure would you feel the same? Come down of your high horses and try some empathy - it's good for humanity and yourselves.

if I hadn't been able to buy vegeta for whatever reason, I would've ACCEPTED that. Because that's what people do who aren't crazed into thinking they're entitled to have everything. You win some, you lose some, that's life. You have no idea how empathetic I can be, but empathy isn't an excuse to validate your own immediate craving by any means necessary. There will be hordes of people who won't have these, former and later generations, and might be much bigger dbz fans than any of us. Where do you draw the line? Should we start stocking up for them? Is that empathy? Or is being empathetic invoking reason to come to an understanding of, and terms with reality? I think the latter is what would be good for humanity, instead of going crazy when a trivial consumor-lust won't be satisfied. Kids go after what they want blindly, adults should stop and take a step back and look at the larger picture here.

You should watch the rescent Black Friday episodes by South Park, because Matt and Trey have a knack for brilliantly displaying people's true hypocrisy: getting what you want no matter what gets broken in the process.

No, I don't own a business, I'm a student. I don't ever plan to own a business. The only thing I've done is defend what I think is reasonable in this situation. Feel free to disagree. Time will tell the outcome. I don't see enough valid arguments to make me believe this won't influence the line negatively so far.

 

[Silrian]

ANYWAYS has the poll been show tamashii yet ... you know the one we did where we listed figures we most likey wanted.... I RATHER HAVE JANEMBA THEN BROLY

Only pwnstar511 can tell ya that...

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

Get off your high horses. When you buy Vegeta for $200 on Ebay or Amazon, Tamashii never sees a dime of that money. You are not supporting them at all. You are supporting the person who sold it to you. If you want to support the official line, go buy Krillin, Vegeta, or Goku. But when we pay inflated prices on the secondary market don't act like you should be nominated for sainthood.

If Figuarts ever rereleases SS Vegeta, I am sure most here would jump on it. Until then, this is not a bad substitute. Purchasing it does not mean you love DBZ or the official line of figures any less. This is not a moral issue. Lets stop acting like it's one.

 

[cardinal]

So many elitists with money to throw around. Let's be honest, the only reason anyone gets so upset over a bootleg or even a reissue, is the fact that it devalues their original.

Also, out of all the DBZ figures, Piccolo is the only one that I think is "rare." Vegeta was on Amazon and other sites FOREVER and even discounted at one point. The same with Trunks, but apparently he's now going for 80-110 or some insane scalper price.

It's only this way because some ******* bought multiples when they were on sale and are now trying to cash in. Bootlegs don't hurt the business. Scalpers do.

The only bootleg I have is the NECA TMNT, but they are 95% like the original so I could care less. If someone decided to make DBZ bootlegs 95% like the original I'd be buying those too if I couldn't get an original at a fair retail price.

 

[cardinal]

Get off your high horses. When you buy Vegeta for $200 on Ebay or Amazon, Tamashii never sees a dime of that money. You are not supporting them at all. You are supporting the person who sold it to you. If you want to support the official line, go buy Krillin, Vegeta, or Goku. But when we pay inflated prices on the secondary market don't act like you should be nominated for sainthood.

If Figuarts ever rereleases SS Vegeta, I am sure most here would jump on it. Until then, this is not a bad substitute. Purchasing it does not mean you love DBZ or the official line of figures any less. This is not a moral issue. Lets stop acting like it's one.

Amen! Too many people are ******** cause they spent too much $$$ on a toy. I'd rather spend that extra money on booze!

 

[Silrian]

Actually, I call it empathy I defended a rerelease of ssj vegeta to naysayers, even when I already had my own. Which I still do, there is great demand and I hope to see Tamashii answer it. That's right, I hope to ses TAMASHII answer it.

I'd rather spend that extra money on booze!

I rest my case.

 

[FrankieDF]

I don't have much of an issue with bootlegs of figures like vegeta. I can't buy one that isn't used/from a scalper, which is what I had to do to the tune of $115, and it is only worse now.

As people have said, this only exemplifies the demand that exists and the missed opportunity for bandai.

Anybody else here in to the Jojo's bizarre adventure SAS figures? Many of those were getting rather high markup in the secondary market due to short supply vs demand, just like some of the dbz figuarts releases.

Medicos saw this and started rereleasing some figures in the line.

Fans were happy.

Medicos was happy.

The only people who weren't were folks who were getting the figures as investments/to resell.

 

[Jayrod88]

So those that have extra money are *******s? I don't understand that. We all have bills. We all have the ability to set money aside. The issue is the crack addiction of needing something now. These releases are so far apart, had you save from Krillins release up until Gokus release in March of this year, I'm 100% positive you coul pil up who ever you need.
The hate here, is towrds bootleggers. You are paying them for their efforts. Thus increasing their supply and profits. **** that!
I undertand those who either can't afford or don't want to pay a high scondary market price for a figure that once sold for $40. But, either pass on it, or wait for either a price drop or a reissue. One or the other will happen!
Tamashii told us last year that a Piccolo rerelease was unlikley fue to the poor sales on the first release. But look, we got one at SDCC13. It will be rereleased... So set aside that " gotta have it" feeling and be patient. Now, lets put this ******** **** behind us, and talk about what brought us to this thread in the first place. There are far more important issues at hand, like petitioning for a Nappa release. And that sick Shenron!

 

[SurlyJ]

For these stupid prices, seriously considering selling my Vegeta again. I really believe we will see a reissue at some point, or an sdcc version of ssj vegeta, and these prices will crash back down to earth. May as well cash in while I can. Can't see them going any higher.

 

[Jayrod88]

For these stupid prices, seriously considering selling my Vegeta again. I really believe we will see a reissue at some point, or an sdcc version of ssj vegeta, and these prices will crash back down to earth. May as well cash in while I can. Can't see them going any higher.

Don't do it! You'll regret it.

 

[The_Philosopher]

The only people who benefit are the bootleggers and those who are too cheap to shell out for the original. Your cheapness hurts the hobby.

Supporting the bootlegs will damage Tamashii's intentions, and they may say **** it. Don't be cheap. Ok, so 2 figures are at Hot Toys prices... Set $20-$50 away a month and save up to buy it. Truthfully, if you can't afford them, then your priorities are in the wrong place

Tamashii IS NO LONGER SELLING SSj VAGETA! They are immune to the non-existant damage this would cause.

Paying 200 for a figure that is out of print is just as wrong as buying a bootleg. Tamashii doesn't get any of that money, and they didn't loose a sale because THEY ARE NO LONGER SELLING IT.

SSj Vageta was released while I was unemployed, getting a SDCC Gohan was a lucky miracle of timing and good fortune. I'm working now, so I'm finally able to get the figures when they're released. As I said before, I'm collecting detailed super poseable DBZ figures (they have to look good together). I have now SDCC Gohan, SSj3 Goku, SSj Goku (reissue), Perfect Cell, and SDCC Piccolo (I dropped 84 for that one, so don't say **** about me being cheap!)
Now I have my sights set on Scouter Vegeta, Frieza and I have normal Goku Preordered, and I'm getting a Krilian for my brother.

Tamashii told us last year that a Piccolo rerelease was unlikley fue to the poor sales on the first release. But look, we got one at SDCC13. It will be rereleased... So set aside that " gotta have it" feeling and be patient.

A reissue of SSJ Vegeta has not been promised, altough I want one I have to believe that it's not going to happen until it's confirmed (in the case it does, I would buy the official one)

In the mean time, patients is pointless as it allows the price to continue to climb for the original. An added bonus to this is how much this hurts scalpers, they may have to lower their prices to compete since any reasonable person would find their unethical prices to be laughable.

 

[FSLAR]

I tip my hat to The_Philosopher because he knows the deal. Seriously, people having fits over bootlegs and saying to buy the over expensive actual things, get real. Maybe you guys got it when it first came out, but some of us had other priorities. I myself tried getting into the crowd around 2012 but I had to help out my family with mortgage, so I had to put it aside for a year. That's why I'm annoyed. I missed on other opportunities due to not knowing about the rarity and just getting into the line, but I did find another chance to get them.

But you guys really think the huge prices will help Tamashii? It's like Philosopher said, there is no difference because other people are selling them for huge bucks. Tamashii won't get it. And the main problem is that Hot Toys were released around the scalper prices they now fetch, and have generally risen to crazy prices. Take the Iron Man Mark VII, he is going for $350-$500 but he was released around that price for $250. $38, Vegeta's original price, is nowhere around $300, now is it? The Hot Toys comparison is invalid and stupid, especially because the quality is far and above. And if you think 'our priorities aren't in the right place', I suggest you guys re-think your priorities. Some of us aren't made out of money, and I've paid a lot for my figures in particular. So I'm not cheap. I'm reasonable. I honestly think you guys who are claiming that we're cheap need to look at it from a different perspective. Or at least try thinking about things more rationally. I mean come on, you guys will seriously pay more than someone than you should?

This topic of bootlegs and people being cheap should be dropped because it is getting out of hand in the dumbest way possible. For real though Philosopher, great post.

 

[Baneofdemon22]

Awww man. I was so excited. I saw all these pages and thought it was because Tamashii made a special announcement for New Years. Oh well, Happy New Years guys.

 

[The_Philosopher]

Thank you FSLAR and timone317

And I think FSLAR may be right, we should probably drop the discussion of these bootlegs for now since it's stirring up to much animosity.

But once it gets released, and tamashii doesn't offer a competing product, then we'll be talking about it again. (for the record, I would settle for Majin Vegeta exclusively IF he came with an alt face without the "M" and a pair of interchangeable non-vein arms. But if those accessories aren't present, then I'll get both.)

 

[Baneofdemon22]

Don't group "settle" and "Majin Vegeta" together man. Them's fight'n words there. I'm just kidding. I've said here multiple times just that. I plan on getting multiple Majin Vegetas anyways. We haven't gotten either of my favorite representations of Vegeta yet. I love Vegeta in the Boo saga so much!

 

[The_Philosopher]

I have two cousins who are big time collectors, one of them is collecting Figuarts Sailor Moon right now. They would have been all over this DBZ line if they knew it existed (no comic shops were carrying this guy where I live), and they never heard of this line until they saw my SDCC Gohan.

They would get into this line if they could get their favorite characters...guess who those characters are...that's right SSj Vegeta, and Future Trunks w/sword. But they aren't being sold by tamashii anymore, so we don't have these two potential customers on the DBZ figuarts bandwagon because there is no favorite entry character available to them. (If they got SSj Vegeta, and Future respectively, they would likely get every single figure afterwords)

 

[The_Philosopher]

LOL, I only said "settle" because I want a figure of Vegeta when he was a hero. It's hard to display "Earths Special Forces (aka Z warriors)" when one them is visibly bewitched. LOL