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I would. I want to see some Saiyans questioning what they're doing and rebels who joined the Tuffles. I'm sure every person who was a Nazi was on board with Hitler. Who knows when they started forcing their children to fight. Maybe it was after Freeza. Some ancestors may have disagreed and wipped them out. If all you know is slaughtering people and constantly get rewarded by it, you're going eitther going to go with it out of fear or stand up and be ridiculed and die for your beliefs. That's what the Super Saiyan God did, and the Saiyans ganged up and killed him.I'm assuming the other pure hearted Saiyans were slaughtered as well. I think that's what would happen to Goku, even if he didn't bump his head. Vegeta didn't do it out of fear though. He chose evil. Bardock chose evil as well. Now from those panels, Gine looks like she had a heart and may have influenced Bardock. She might have been the fearful type and changed her ways after they sent Goku off. Maybe she was killed and she was the only one that brought out some decency in Bardock.
 
Honestly the saiyans werent really "evil" per say; they were all brought up with the mentality that they need to be brutal and tale what they want. Bardock is a prime example; he did his duty like the others, but when his team was killed he mourned them and wanted vengeance.

Thats not to say everyone was like that, Vegeta when he first came to earth and everyone around his influence were evil.

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Hopefully when 20th Century Fox releases it, we'll get the 20 minutes of added footage that was shown on TV in Japan. People were saying it helped the movie flow much better.
Well, if not that, we should at least have it as added features on the BluRay. And I've heard about Vegeta having a major role in the next movie too.


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Man when is Battle of gods gonna be dubbed in ENGLISH ? I haven't watched it . Yet . Anyone else like me waiting ?
Couldn't wait any longer so...:wink1:


I dunno... I don't look forward to any new DBZ material because they're not gonna include the soundtrack or the voice cast that is DBZ for me. So yeah... Can't really be excited about it.
Funi isn't doing the dub?


Regular Goku should come with a Ssj2 goku head . Would be a surprise and a gift for all this years waiting for it to be released .
Wouldn't that warrant a new body too?


Yeah, but he won't. Obviously.


Also, Gogeta does actually appear in his regular state in Fusion Reborn, albeit in the form of a unsuccessful fusion attempt. So he kind of still counts. Don't listen to those idiots saying "he's not Gogeta, it's Veku" because they're, well, idiots. Goku and Vegeta using fusion technique = Gogeta anyway you look at it, even if the fusion isn't a success, he's still Gogeta!
Ummm, AFAIK, King Kai himself refers to him as Veku thereby hinting that it isn't a fanfic christening.


Well, how about Gogeta? I know he's not really a "canon" character
Care to elaborate?


He lost his memory when he fell with his head out of Grandpa Gohan's basket onto a rock though... So that's not an inconsistency, that's a consistency, as it's the reason Goku never caried out his mission.


BUT he was pretty much a new born I think, so him actually wearing armour n stuff is kinda stupid.


I will admit that if it's well written, I wouldn't mind seeing a bardock prequel mini series. Could be the story of how Bardock came to lead a rebellion against Frieza. Would end with "My son lives on."


It would also be the final piece to establish that it's a massive superman ripoff.
What if the Saiyan shown in the pod isn't Goku? :wink1:


And isn't the motive and the required catalyst behind the rebellion already shown in the Bardock OVA?


Finally, Supes can't go SSJ! :mwaha
 
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Superman is also not anything like Goku's character, or at least anything different than any other DC Superhero. Superman puts the weight of the world on his shoulders, hides away his true power and is mocked for it, and is one of the most humble characters, acts as a symbol for all that's good and struggles with various moral dillemnas, constantly pro active in helping everyone. The one big parrallel I see with Goku is that both believe the world should help themselves, but will be there to help things out of their control. Well only if Goku knew about it. Superman travels the world and throughout the universe looking for those he can help. He set up a mail system, so people could contact him and he reads through all of them, or tried to since they never stop coming, but only goes for things out of people's control, because he believes it's wrong to play god. He would have brought Vegeta to justice by imprisoning him and have his equipment destroyed or used to to see if the threat was over. He's responsible. However in the Cell arc is where Goku stepped up and became responsible, but was still different than Superman. Superman wouldn't have thought like Goku to give the Senzu Bean to Gohan looking long term.
 
Funi KAI I assume is doing the dub, and as probably known by now, I don't exactly appreciate their work on Kai.

But as I said movies never had the dbz feel to me because they never had the faulconer score, so knowing that, relatively, I might still somewhat like it.

EDIT: But knowing what I know about the plot from others etc now, I will probably dislike BoG regardless.
 
Well at least you got the worst scene ever spoiled for you just now. It's a lot worse because there's vocals to go with it. That was the thing that closed my mind, why I didn't like it the first time I watched it. There were also the other reasons I mentioned, but I hated that scene, and still hate it. It wasn't necessary, and disrespected Vegeta completely. That's why I wanted to warn you on somethings, because I guarantee you won't like it on your first watch.
 
LoL, well that's the double-edged sword of people wanting more DBZ animation; you'll see things that you'll love & see things that you'll hate

Care to elaborate?

As with most of the DBZ movies, there are inconsistencies rendering them incompatable with the main saga/manga, therefore the characters & events [in Fusion Reborn] aren't "canon." But that's only if you care about stuff like that; personally I don't, but the way Tamashii sees it, only "canon" characters will be made, no movie characters such as Gogeta. But I raised the possibility that since he's a Saiyan (and Saiyans sell), then they might make a Figuarts of him, and they'd be stupid not to capitalize on not just him but many of the other movie heroes/villains. It's their call, though.
 
I'm just picking at things! I want more Dragon Ball Z movies. I like them all to an extent. Even if it's 10 minutes, that's worth it. I really enjoyed Battle of Gods after rewatching it. I really like half of GT, and just don't watch what I dislike. I'm not forced to watch anything I don't like, unless I wanted to debate it. And I wouldn't want to turn people away from harmless things that bring them happiness.

Gogeta, Broly, and SSJ4 Goku were on their SDCC poll though.
 
At the end of the day, we are likely overthinking things; Tamashii likely doesnt care about canon or non-canon, if it will sell they will consider making it lol.

While I dont like GT as many know, I do like the ssj4 design and concept of only being accessible to "true" saiyans with tails. True it could have used some trademark ssj blond but it was still cool looking so I would buy ssj4 Goku at least.

Gogeta, not so much, not because hes a movie character but because I just dont like the strange outfit fusion characters wear. Vegito on the other hand is an instant buy for me.

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I agree with you Deano for both things. I really liked Goku's attitude in SSJ4 as well. That and I think Baby is a great villain. That's all I like, and it's worth seeing those things to me. I think Vegito looks awesome non SSJ! I'd get him.I don't think their should have been any SSJ form past 2.
 
Kindly excuse the XXL multi-quote :eek:


Superman is also not anything like Goku's character, or at least anything different than any other DC Superhero. Superman puts the weight of the world on his shoulders, hides away his true power and is mocked for it, and is one of the most humble characters, acts as a symbol for all that's good and struggles with various moral dillemnas, constantly pro active in helping everyone. The one big parrallel I see with Goku is that both believe the world should help themselves, but will be there to help things out of their control. Well only if Goku knew about it. Superman travels the world and throughout the universe looking for those he can help. He set up a mail system, so people could contact him and he reads through all of them, or tried to since they never stop coming, but only goes for things out of people's control, because he believes it's wrong to play god. He would have brought Vegeta to justice by imprisoning him and have his equipment destroyed or used to to see if the threat was over. He's responsible. However in the Cell arc is where Goku stepped up and became responsible, but was still different than Superman.
Isn't Goku the same too? While that doesn't necessarily suggest that DB/Z is a Superman ripoff, the main protagonist here does portray similar traits. And it always amazes me as to why either fanbases' pit them against each other. Two completely different characters, two different concepts, two different universes.

Having said that, Supes will have his cape handed over to him by Goku anyday..... :chase

Superman wouldn't have thought like Goku to give the Senzu Bean to Gohan looking long term.
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Whaaaat?


Funi KAI I assume is doing the dub, and as probably known by now, I don't exactly appreciate their work on Kai.

But as I said movies never had the dbz feel to me because they never had the faulconer score, so knowing that, relatively, I might still somewhat like it.

EDIT: But knowing what I know about the plot from others etc now, I will probably dislike BoG regardless.
I haven't seen any of the Kai re-releases so I dunno. Don't they have the original voice cast? I'll feel pretty much bummed if they don't have Sabat as Vegeta when BoG gets dubbed.

BTW, I guess you'll like one aspect of BoG. The one which I loved; Goku expresses exactly the same concern in this movie which I had watching him defeat Broly, Buu, Janemba or Turles. Find it out. :wink1:


Well at least you got the worst scene ever spoiled for you just now. It's a lot worse because there's vocals to go with it. That was the thing that closed my mind, why I didn't like it the first time I watched it. There were also the other reasons I mentioned, but I hated that scene, and still hate it. It wasn't necessary, and disrespected Vegeta completely. That's why I wanted to warn you on somethings, because I guarantee you won't like it on your first watch.
Sorry for that. Spoiler tagged it now.

I beg to differ though. That portrayal was very much DB-esque and I absolutely loved it. For me, it didn't take away Vegeta's badassery one bit and I see no disrespect toward the character. Every character in DB/Z, from Goku to Shenron, have been depicted with funny/derpy expressions at some point of time :D

As with most of the DBZ movies, there are inconsistencies rendering them incompatable with the main saga/manga, therefore the characters & events [in Fusion Reborn] aren't "canon."
As you said, I don't care for the inconsistencies so I'd really feel that they should do a Gogeta some time down the road. BTW, Gogeta doesn't have his manga counterpart??

While I dont like GT as many know, I do like the ssj4 design and concept of only being accessible to "true" saiyans with tails. True it could have used some trademark ssj blond but it was still cool looking so I would buy ssj4 Goku at least.

Gogeta, not so much, not because hes a movie character but because I just dont like the strange outfit fusion characters wear. Vegito on the other hand is an instant buy for me.
I hear you. Even though I disliked the overall look for SSJ4, it recently rekindled my liking toward it because of SSG. Although I'm not sure how they'd texture his red fur cuz that'd look silly on a plastic figure.

Speaking of fusion characters' outfits, I'm surprised you think Gogeta has a weird one compared to Vegitto.
 
You're right that those expressions happened in the series, and it wasn't completely out there, but I never like it except when Bulma did it. They did it a lot with Mr. Satan, Goku and Vegeta at the end of the Boo saga and I hated it! I was fine with the dancing, but it was too much for me, but I understand what you're saying! I still really like the movie, but always happy to be convinced to like things even more!
 
I agree that scene with Vegeta was kinda stupid but it was totally made up for when
he went ape-sh** crazy on Beerus for smacking Bulma. I know it didnt really accomplish anything but up to that point I don't think anyone had landed a single punch on him.
Also, I think that because I watched the majority of DBZ subbed I actually prefer hearing them in Japanese. Some of the English voice acting is just too corny for my taste.
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I'm agree on both accounts! I love that Vegeta scene and prefer the Japanese voice acting. It's not cartoonish and goofy voices like the English. It's why Batman the Animated series was so good, because it was amazing acting that didn't rely on silly voices. However, I think the English voices were much better for the humor. Being so humorous, the first part of Dragon Ball and the Boo arc is FAR better in English than in Japanese because of it. I was bored of the entire second half of it in Japanese. I even hated Vegito, who I think was awesome in the English. I think Sean Schemmel is great as Goku.
 
I'm agree on both accounts! I love that Vegeta scene and prefer the Japanese voice acting. It's not cartoonish and goofy voices like the English. It's why Batman the Animated series was so good, because it was amazing acting that didn't rely on silly voices. However, I think the English voices were much better for the humor. Being so humorous, the Boo arc is FAR better in English than in Japanese because of it. I was bored of Vegito in Japanese, but he was awesome in the English. I think Sean Schemmel is great as Goku.
Mark Hamill's Joker was quite silly sounding at times :lol he did amazing and still is, but just putting that out there
 
That's true, but the Joker was putting on a silly voice for his crazy act. Mark didn't rely on it for his acting. The English voices of Dragon Ball Z didn't either once they understood their roles, because a lot of them weren't actors and they had to change the script on the fly because they didn't have a good translator. And they were forced to do the Ocean cast voices, so they couldn't really act, when they were told to be like others. The studio was so young, so it was unfair to them. They got much better later on, and that's why I think the Dragon Ball dub is great! If you hear Kevin Conroy's "I am Vengeance" speech in an interview, he's just doing the voice and reciting the line, but it's not an emotional performance like in the series, and comes off as cheap.
 
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