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[KitFisto]

So people should only drive what care serves the purpose they need? Nice socialist attitude. No thanks, I'll drive what I want.

 

[Lejuan]

This thread really got tured into an emissions thread by a liberal........go figure.

Kinda like a thread on 'flu vaccines being turned into a health conspiracy thread by the tinfoil hat brigade.... go figure.

 

[Nipshank]

2012 Rubicon, 6" lift, cold air intake, monster exhaust and power programmer. This is my fourth Jeep, next I'd like to snag an old Willy's and rebuild it from top to bottom. I LOVE JEEPS!!!

2006 RX8, all Mazda Speed parts and a Greddy turbo. Sticks to the ground like glue, constant issues with the rotary engine though especially in cooler conditions and will not run at all from -5 degree C and lower.

 

[KitFisto]

Kinda like a thread on 'flu vaccines being turned into a health conspiracy thread by the tinfoil hat brigade.... go figure.

So like a typical liberal, you expect your opposition to shut up, but you get to spout your views? Go figure.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

Opened this thread to see cars--didn't expect or need to read ******** comments concerning socialism or liberals. Take that **** to a different forum.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

This thread really got tured into an emissions thread by a liberal........go figure.

Whatever would the handwringers do if they couldn't try to tell people how to live?

Environmentally safe vehicles don't have to be less safe. The Tesla is the safest car ever made. Low center of gravity due to batteries on the floor means it is less likely to flip over. That isn't true of trucks and SUVs with high center of gravity.
45 mph swerves to avoid things in front of you put most SUVs and many trucks on their roofs.

Trucks are only good for one thing. Hauling loads. Period. They suck at everything else. Handling, gas mileage, efficiency, top speed, ect.
If you need to haul stuff then get a truck, but if you don't, the need to drive a truck makes people look like they are overcompensating for something, especially monster truck drivers.

When it comes to actual DRIVING as in performance as in getting PEOPLE from point a to point b, cars are the only way to go.

I don't know much about Teslas ... but I'm damn sure not paying $70K for a battery-powered sedan (if there's any fuel savings to be had, you'll still never make up for the price of the car).

Diesel trucks are front-heavy, not top-heavy. Yeah, trucks can rollover. But, given the options, I'll still take the weight and height advantage of a truck in a collision. Less likely an opposing car is going to be hitting anywhere near the passengers ... more likely underneath, or at the tires. As opposed to having an opposing grille at body-level. Also, with all the metal between the front or rear of the truck and the people inside ... you've got to go a long way before anybody's getting crushed.

And, since the truck is carrying more weight than most vehicles (mine is 7,000 lbs. without passengers or any cargo) ... it'll likely fare better in a crash than even a Tesla (which is fairly heavy for a sedan at 4,000 lbs.) Force is not distributed evenly in a crash ... lighter cars take more collision force than heavier ones. Which is why smaller cars have higher crash fatalities (about double that of the heaviest cars). Especially in wrecks with bigger cars. Simple physics. Heavier vehicles fare better. More weight, more force delivered, rather than taken. Crash tests are deceptive, because they test a car against its own weight class or a static object -- because no car fares well when they're outweighed 2-to-1.

https://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/04/study-small-cars-at-greater-risk-in-accidents.html
https://www.esurance.com/safety/car-size-and-safety
https://www.technologyreview.com/view/413018/laws-of-physics-persist-in-crashes-big-cars-win/

All of those say exactly the same thing ... physics doesn't favor small cars in crashes. The smaller, the worse. For crash safety, I'll put my '06 Ram 2500 head-to-head with a Tesla any day.

If you need AWD and high ground clearance because you live in an off road area, then that is what SUVs like the Hummer H2 is actually for. Then it makes the most sense.

You can't carry as many people in a truck as you can in a car or an SUV, so trucks don't make sense unless you have to haul a lot or your job requires you to haul, and you cannot afford a second car.

When I said overcompensating I meant when a person drives a truck when they don't need to haul and they could be driving a car. Trucks are a purpose built vehicle, not an all around transportation. For the road, coupes and sedans are all around transportation. For off road, SUVs with AWD are all around transportation. Some trucks are 2wd and some are AWD, for road hauling, and for off road hauling. Sports cars are for road driving when you don't need cargo space, just 1 or 2 passengers.

Every type of car has a purpose. It isn't just personal style.
People who drive Hummer H2s on the road as daily drivers or raised trucks just aren't being smart. Seems like a lot of ego expression going on. High center of gravity, high rolling resistance, poor handling, poor gas mileage, poor acceleration, poor top speed, poor efficiency, and for what?
Is the look of the car really worth spending that much more money on gas every day? With a Sports car, it usually doesn't get the mileage that a coupe or sedan gets, but at least IT'S purpose is made for paved roads, so you have the performance you want if needed.

That doesn't apply to SUVs. On paved roads, there is absolutely no real world benefit to be gained by driving one as a daily driver.
If you aren't going to be hauling anything, there isn't any real world benefit to having a truck as a daily driver either.

Weight and ground clearance are safety features, not only useful for off-road driving. In a collision, center of gravity isn't everything. Weight matters far more. A Hummer H2 weighs 8,600 lbs. I don't care where its center of gravity is ... if it gets in a wreck with a car or a small truck (even a Tesla), it'll fare better than the other vehicle. Its occupants will most likely walk away unscathed.

As for the utility of a truck absent the need to haul stuff all-the-time ... I've found it plenty suitable. Comfortably fits six people with cab space to spare, so the whole family can use it regularly (its a Mega Cab). Diesel engine trucks get better fuel mileage than you'd think (mine gets 26mpg highway with a tuner chip). And, it does tow and haul things very well, which comes in handy all the time.

But the real reason I bought it was its extreme durability. A well-maintained Cummins diesel engine will last well over 500,000 miles (which means you'll actually have to buy two or three $70K Teslas to last as long as one diesel truck, even if you don't get squashed like a bug). I actually bought it primarily for commuting. I was putting 2K miles a month on our gas engine SUV, which was wearing it out fast. Diesel engines last much longer, and are much better for high mileage use. It takes a beating better.

Extremely durable. Heavy (i.e. safer). High ground clearance. Plenty of cab space. Handles great. Plenty of power ... it has a 350ish-horsepower turbo diesel engine with a cold-air intake. It accelerates better than most sports cars. Reasonable fuel mileage. I can't figure what use that wouldn't be suitable for.

If you can't see the "real world benefit" of weight, height, horsepower, cab capacity, hauling capability and engine durability ... there's not much else to say.

SnakeDoc

 

[SnakeDoctor]

IIHS crash tests of cars of incomparable weight ...

Ford F-150 (5,250 lbs) [both factory and raised] vs. a Honda Civic (2700 lbs)



And ... mini-cars and micro cars (1,800 lbs.) vs. common sedans from the same manufacturer.



Small cars are less safe. And, Smart Cars are a literal death trap (it went airborne in reverse in a head-on collision with a regular sedan. It'd do even worse against a truck.).

SnakeDoc

 

[Pork Chop Express]

2012 Rubicon, 6" lift, cold air intake, monster exhaust and power programmer. This is my fourth Jeep, next I'd like to snag an old Willy's and rebuild it from top to bottom. I LOVE JEEPS!!!

Great looking Jeep, if they ever put a pick-up out again like a revamped Comanche I'd probably want to buy it.

 

[Nipshank]

Great looking Jeep, if they ever put a pick-up out again like a revamped Comanche I'd probably want to buy it.

Thanks
Here's the Jeep concept truck, it was supposed to be released a couple years ago and still nothing. Hoping soon as well plus they really need to beef these engines up, they're so bad on gas due to lack of power; it's like a card board box and catches all the wind.

 

[Pork Chop Express]

I saw something like that at the L.A. autoshow a while back. Also saw an article at one point about a conversion kit to make a truck, but to was so expensive it's almost pointless. It's been all Ram trucks for a while it would be nice to see Mopar put out something else.

 

[Blackthornone]

So people should only drive what care serves the purpose they need? Nice socialist attitude. No thanks, I'll drive what I want.

It's practicality. It's common sense. If you are going to spend a lot of money on something, it makes sense that it be what best suits your needs, so that it is the best investment.

 

[fosing]

Kinda like a thread on 'flu vaccines being turned into a health conspiracy thread by the tinfoil hat brigade.... go figure.

aluminuminate!!!

 

[Blackthornone]

Whatever would the handwringers do if they couldn't try to tell people how to live?



I don't know much about Teslas ... but I'm damn sure not paying $70K for a battery-powered sedan (if there's any fuel savings to be had, you'll still never make up for the price of the car).

Diesel trucks are front-heavy, not top-heavy. Yeah, trucks can rollover. But, given the options, I'll still take the weight and height advantage of a truck in a collision. Less likely an opposing car is going to be hitting anywhere near the passengers ... more likely underneath, or at the tires. As opposed to having an opposing grille at body-level. Also, with all the metal between the front or rear of the truck and the people inside ... you've got to go a long way before anybody's getting crushed.

And, since the truck is carrying more weight than most vehicles (mine is 7,000 lbs. without passengers or any cargo) ... it'll likely fare better in a crash than even a Tesla (which is fairly heavy for a sedan at 4,000 lbs.) Force is not distributed evenly in a crash ... lighter cars take more collision force than heavier ones. Which is why smaller cars have higher crash fatalities (about double that of the heaviest cars). Especially in wrecks with bigger cars. Simple physics. Heavier vehicles fare better. More weight, more force delivered, rather than taken. Crash tests are deceptive, because they test a car against its own weight class or a static object -- because no car fares well when they're outweighed 2-to-1.

https://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/04/study-small-cars-at-greater-risk-in-accidents.html
https://www.esurance.com/safety/car-size-and-safety
https://www.technologyreview.com/view/413018/laws-of-physics-persist-in-crashes-big-cars-win/

All of those say exactly the same thing ... physics doesn't favor small cars in crashes. The smaller, the worse. For crash safety, I'll put my '06 Ram 2500 head-to-head with a Tesla any day.



Weight and ground clearance are safety features, not only useful for off-road driving. In a collision, center of gravity isn't everything. Weight matters far more. A Hummer H2 weighs 8,600 lbs. I don't care where its center of gravity is ... if it gets in a wreck with a car or a small truck (even a Tesla), it'll fare better than the other vehicle. Its occupants will most likely walk away unscathed.

As for the utility of a truck absent the need to haul stuff all-the-time ... I've found it plenty suitable. Comfortably fits six people with cab space to spare, so the whole family can use it regularly (its a Mega Cab). Diesel engine trucks get better fuel mileage than you'd think (mine gets 26mpg highway with a tuner chip). And, it does tow and haul things very well, which comes in handy all the time.

But the real reason I bought it was its extreme durability. A well-maintained Cummins diesel engine will last well over 500,000 miles (which means you'll actually have to buy two or three $70K Teslas to last as long as one diesel truck, even if you don't get squashed like a bug). I actually bought it primarily for commuting. I was putting 2K miles a month on our gas engine SUV, which was wearing it out fast. Diesel engines last much longer, and are much better for high mileage use. It takes a beating better.

Extremely durable. Heavy (i.e. safer). High ground clearance. Plenty of cab space. Handles great. Plenty of power ... it has a 350ish-horsepower turbo diesel engine with a cold-air intake. It accelerates better than most sports cars. Reasonable fuel mileage. I can't figure what use that wouldn't be suitable for.

If you can't see the "real world benefit" of weight, height, horsepower, cab capacity, hauling capability and engine durability ... there's not much else to say.

SnakeDoc

You make some rather excellent points regarding weight in a crash. Makes sense. However, I think it best to have better handling so as not to get in a collision in the first place.
I wouldn't want to be in a Smart car.
As far as Teslas not lasting as long as a diesel engine, I doubt that. The batteries might not last, but electric motors don't wear out much compared to internal combustion ones.

The fact that electric cars don't wear out parts is why they never took off when they first came out in the early 20th century, such as the 1908 Baker electric. No profit past initial sale. With internal combustion cars, something always needs replacing. Spare parts are a big part of the profit.

You have an extended cab, which changes things. Most trucks don't have that much room inside.

If you knew a restaurant that would give you their used cooking oil, it would make sense to convert your truck to run on it. Free fuel without harmful emissions.

 

[Niltusk]

Opened this thread to see cars--didn't expect or need to read ******** comments concerning socialism or liberals. Take that **** to a different forum.

 

[Niltusk]

2012 Rubicon, 6" lift, cold air intake, monster exhaust and power programmer. This is my fourth Jeep, next I'd like to snag an old Willy's and rebuild it from top to bottom. I LOVE JEEPS!!!
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Loving this btw, we're considering a Jeep atm, we need AWD or 4WD and the thought of having the ability to go top less in summer seems like a great idea.

 

[Chainsaw]

Didn't realize posting a pic of my Ford would cause such a ruckus. To each their own. I am a pipeliner, I don't work in a cubicle. I frequently go places for work that get rutted up with rain, mud, heavy equipment, snow and ice. They are purpose built vehicles and if you plan on towing a travel trailer, boat or anything heavy you will need a big truck. As for being slow to accelerate, you haters need to go on Youtube and see what turbo diesels can do on a quarter mile against Mustangs and rice burners with just a programmer and a free flowing exhaust. They are safer in a crash, and I do sacrifice some handling because my truck weighs 10,000 lbs unloaded but I drive more carefully and tend to give myself a lot more room to stop. I have over 500,000 miles without an accident. If I had a sportier car I would probably be much more dangerous on the road than I am now just because I would probably drive a bit faster.

Sometimes people confront me in person, asking why I NEED such a big truck. I tell them they should come with me to work in the West Virginia hills during the rain, or in a white out blizzard in North Dakota during the winter. It is an absolute necessity I promise you. Does everyone need one? No, but if you can afford the higher cost of keeping it on the road, a 3/4 ton turbo diesel is the best vehicle on the planet.

 

[Lejuan]

In the words of the musical comedian Tim Minchin, "your dog has a bigger carbon footprint than a 4-wheel drive"

 

[Nipshank]

Loving this btw, we're considering a Jeep atm, we need AWD or 4WD and the thought of having the ability to go top less in summer seems like a great idea.

I love my jeeps, best 4WD around and the convertible or T top is awesome. My daughter and I drove into a lake, sat on the sound bar and fished a couple years back. Always a great time with a Jeep.

 

[KitFisto]

It's practicality. It's common sense. If you are going to spend lot of money on something, it makes sense that it be what best suits your needs, so that it is the best investment.

Common sense? Who are you, Obama? I drive what I choose to drive. I like fun sports cars. It may not suit every need, but it's what I choose. If I need a truck I drive to my folks house and borrow my dad's. I like living in a country where I still am allowed to make my own choice as to what car I drive.........for now.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

^ You're the only one whining right now, genius, and you're also the one who decided to make things political.

But yup, I agree. **** safety, common sense and the environment. This is 'murica. I drive what I want.