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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

okay i got one

silence of the lambs, perfect movie in every way. what a perfect film.... every scene is just perfect

we have Clarice Starling, an innocent young smart detective surrounded by a holes and creeps, almost no one respects her as their equal, everyone looks down on her, everyone undermines her,
shes our hero,
the men either see her are less than them or they wanted *** from her or wanted to kill her... almost ever male is a creep...

yet, again just like kill bill,the movie is excellent, the movie doesnt preach, the movie doesnt talk down to their audience, the movie is just good at telling a great story.

kill bill and silence of the lambs could have easily have had an idiotic character like rose or holdo to pander to feminists but they didnt, cuz thats stupid BS
because they didnt feel the need to pander because a strong woman like clarice was strong enough to stand on her own.....

she didnt need purple hair or be an *** to the men working with her to prove her worth

Yeah but Silence of the Lambs isn’t about a “strong women” for the sake of making a movie about being a “strong women”. It’s about a human being growing through a series of events and rising to the occasion under pressure, with deep character development and a great storyline. this is in direct contrast to TLJ where new characters have zero development and are written as shallow “message delivery” devices.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Yeah but Silence of the Lambs isn’t about a “strong women” for the sake of making a movie about being a “strong women”. It’s about a human being growing through a series of events and rising to the occasion under pressure, with deep character development and a great storyline. this is in direct contrast to TLJ where new characters have zero development and are written as shallow “message delivery” devices.

Totally
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

:dunno They made her head bigger than the two dudes though. KK’s man-hating message received loud and clear.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

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Oh, wait. Scratch that. Breaking news just coming in...

Just look at how that third wave feminist is embracing individualism and diversity by turning her head in a completely different direction. :panic:

To be honest, I'm actually impressed. You're the first person I've talked to on this forum about feminism, who realizes/admits that the core ideological concept of the 3rd wave is individualism, and not egalitarianism! :clap :goodpost: :exactly:
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

You didn’t insult me personally. But I’m calling out your style, you clearly belittled folks and started name calling in your post. That’s not called for, I don’t think the folks pointing out the tone and messages in these movies need to be referred to as “having their balls retracted”. I’m just standing up for the folks you’re targeting with your post, and I personally won’t be bullied into quieting my opinions here.

Now you're just being silly. Again I ask what name-calling was done on my part. You claim that I called people out as sexist which is a complete fabrication on your part. And if you really feel like you're be bullied (seriously?) then I think that's just yet another symptom of this victim mindset that so much of our culture exemplifies today up to and including being threatened by Top Gun-esque male/female banter in an adventure film as if it were some kind of oppressive attack on your worth as a man or differences of opinion on a discussion board that cause you to feel bullied simply because of some off-color sarcasm. Toughen up man. :gun

Everybody gets to say their peace and no one is trying to run anyone else off the board.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

okay i got one

silence of the lambs, perfect movie in every way. what a perfect film.... every scene is just perfect

we have Clarice Starling, an innocent young smart detective surrounded by a holes and creeps, almost no one respects her as their equal, everyone looks down on her, everyone undermines her,
shes our hero,
the men either see her are less than them or they wanted *** from her or wanted to kill her... almost ever male is a creep...

yet, again just like kill bill,the movie is excellent, the movie doesnt preach, the movie doesnt talk down to their audience, the movie is just good at telling a great story.

kill bill and silence of the lambs could have easily have had an idiotic character like rose or holdo to pander to feminists but they didnt, cuz thats stupid BS
because they didnt feel the need to pander because a strong woman like clarice was strong enough to stand on her own.....

she didnt need purple hair or be an *** to the men working with her to prove her worth


Exactly.. I just hate how poorly written everything is in TLJ.. Simple as that.

So this is the Solo thread huh?

:lol
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

It's not just a movie. It's propaganda. Right now, people are talking about "equality" as "representation", which is what socialists call "petite bourgoise", and Nihilists call "slave morality".
You could at least write "bourgeoisie" properly. :D
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Yeah but Silence of the Lambs isn’t about a “strong women” for the sake of making a movie about being a “strong women”. It’s about a human being growing through a series of events and rising to the occasion under pressure, with deep character development and a great storyline. this is in direct contrast to TLJ where new characters have zero development and are written as shallow “message delivery” devices.


In silence of the Lambs the men were seen as sleazeballs. kind of arrogant or rude. even the "nice" ones were interested in her romantically (like the Bug nerds)
every cop was kind of a ******. the irony being that Dr Lecter was the only guy that was kind of decent with her, sure he insulted her at first and made fun of her. but by the end there was respect from him towards her. he respected her when no one else did.

Silence of the Lambs is a movie that displays REAL Toxic masculinity and displays how some women are treated in their work force. and the movie didn't feel the need to spoon feed us or treat us like children about it.
The more i think about the last jedi the more embarrassing it gets
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Silence of the Lambs is a movie that displays REAL Toxic masculinity and displays how some women are treated in their work force.
ALL men are sexually atracted to Clarice, even the one's who kinda respect her.
"Toxic masculinity" is a very stupid and inappropriate term to use here.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Naw that’s just ****ography dude lol. It’s not art. Art as a term has come to mean a lot of things nowadays, and it encompasses a lot, for example even contemporary art is not really art. Staying within the overall convo, it’s like the term feminism which is used for both women who want equality and also for women who want to prove men inferior.

And no one watches **** or hentai for its beauty or emotional power as per the explanation you used... it’s to fulfill a base impulse, nothing more.

If you get back to the core of what art is, it cannot be didactic, there cannot be propaganda, all it is a self expression through an instrument, whether that’s a musical instrument or a paint brush or clay or the ‘human instrument’ for acting, singing etc.

If there’s any message, it’s just due to the times in which it was created, however it is not *forced* upon you. Take even a flick like apocalypse now which has a clear message and is a product of its times... and it’s not offensive. It’s just some guys expression of the subject. Citizen Kane has a clear meaning but again, as an expression of the creator. Same with Star Wars.

However new Star Wars is not the same. If anyone needs proof of this, all you have to do is go back to J.J.’s first talk on the topic in which he said he asked around the room, ‘what is the feeling we want to evoke?’ They based it all on what they wanted to evoke from the audience, and it was no longer an unique expression. Rians train of thought was clearly ‘how can I surprise them?’ In Lucas case he let it grow naturally, whether the path he went down was something one liked or not.

Just because art is subjective doesn’t mean it’s propaganda - the two words don’t mean the same the thing. Propoganda is trying to make you think a certain way, whereas art is just self expression, unless you’re a contemporary artist who’s doing it all for the message. In that case, there’s no way your work will stand the test of time anyway. Just as TLJ won’t, many years down the road the consensus will only become more clear - just like the prequels will become more liked in time even with their flaws (and you can already see this happening)

Good post.

But then one has to ask about the very films you cite....

Apocalypse Now
How about these?
Platoon
Saving Private Ryan

Those are anti war films.....so it could be viewed as propaganda by the hawks of the world.

I think those films straddle a line very well where people can view the characters in a heroic sense....or tragic sense.....and many other ways in between.

I recently finally watched Schindler’s List 10/10. But you had some people say that film was nonsense and portrayed falsehoods of the war....based on their beliefs that they are Holocaust deniers. To those people....that film was pure Jewish Propaganda from the Zionists of Hollywood.

My point being, art IS subjective depending upon the views you hold and the way you see the art in question and how it fits into your inner world.



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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

okay i got one

silence of the lambs, perfect movie in every way. what a perfect film.... every scene is just perfect

we have Clarice Starling, an innocent young smart detective surrounded by a holes and creeps, almost no one respects her as their equal, everyone looks down on her, everyone undermines her,
shes our hero,
the men either see her are less than them or they wanted *** from her or wanted to kill her... almost ever male is a creep...

yet, again just like kill bill,the movie is excellent, the movie doesnt preach, the movie doesnt talk down to their audience, the movie is just good at telling a great story.

kill bill and silence of the lambs could have easily have had an idiotic character like rose or holdo to pander to feminists but they didnt, cuz thats stupid BS
because they didnt feel the need to pander because a strong woman like clarice was strong enough to stand on her own.....

she didnt need purple hair or be an *** to the men working with her to prove her worth

Silence is a great example.....


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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

"Toxic Masculinity."

Give me a ******* break. That's a BS concept that only exists to the people that are desperate for it to exist. To most people, it's simply not there.

I could rant and rave about the "oppressive tyranny of the color blue" in Hollywood movies today and it's as valid an argument.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

"Toxic Masculinity."

Give me a ******* break. That's a BS concept that only exists to the people that are desperate for it to exist. To most people, it's simply not there.

I could rant and rave about the "oppressive tyranny of the color blue" in Hollywood movies today and it's as valid an argument.

I tend to agree.....

This is mostly a fear response to a non-issue.

Look at the color and gender in the halls of power and you will see basically one type of person...


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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

"Toxic Masculinity."

Give me a ******* break. That's a BS concept that only exists to the people that are desperate for it to exist. To most people, it's simply not there.

I could rant and rave about the "oppressive tyranny of the color blue" in Hollywood movies today and it's as valid an argument.

Just because you dont agree with it it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Like global warming denial, doesnt matter how much you deny it, it will still be there.

Just because you dont encounter it in your daily life it does not mean it doesnt happen somwhere else.
That is a very tiny view of the world
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Now you're just being silly. Again I ask what name-calling was done on my part. You claim that I called people out as sexist which is a complete fabrication on your part. And if you really feel like you're be bullied (seriously?) then I think that's just yet another symptom of this victim mindset that so much of our culture exemplifies today up to and including being threatened by Top Gun-esque male/female banter in an adventure film as if it were some kind of oppressive attack on your worth as a man or differences of opinion on a discussion board that cause you to feel bullied simply because of some off-color sarcasm. Toughen up man. :gun

Everybody gets to say their peace and no one is trying to run anyone else off the board.

You can’t even take accountability for your hostility and continue to belittle. Try reading your own post above, it’s dripping with anger and frustration for being called out. Focus your points on the movie and not belittling folks who disagree with you. Or better yet take a break from these threads for a while, you’re anger is going to take you to the dark side...

Guys remember if you disagree with Khev it’s clearly because “your balls have been retracted” and “your worth as a man” is diminished :rotfl
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Guys remember if you disagree with Khev it’s clearly because “your balls have been retracted” and “your worth as a man” is diminished :rotfl

While apparently anyone who disagrees with you must be "dripping with anger and frustration" and "must resort to name-calling," three things that are complete fabrications on your part that you know you can't back up. I can see that you want this to be an epic moment where you stand up to a "bully" who then is rattled at your awesome display of nerve but sorry bud, that's just not what's going on here and you were never bullied in the first place. Again it all seems tied in with the oppressed/victim mentality of those who felt threatened by the movie itself.

Again I ask how old are you?
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

This is what you get for resigning, Khev.
Embrace the Casual Side of the Freak! :D
 
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