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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I'm saying SW moving forward is a huge creative challenge in the wake of the relative failure of Solo and with the ST - the last vestige of OT story continuation - ending.

Disney has discovered SW's appeal is much narrower than MCU - the paradigm SW was supposed to emulate - with appeal solely powered by stories tightly linked to the OT.

What Solo's failure means is that people won't go to see a Fett or Obi-Wan movie like they will even an Ant-man or Doctor Strange movie (two more lesser-known MCU characters) as true "standalone" stories - it has to be closely linked to the core OT storyline, over and over, or it fails.

The issue is that $3B+ ($2.5B theatrical rentals, $500-700m merchandising) Disney has actually earned so far from the SW brand was made by mining the OT and when they tried to vary that formula, it failed.

THAT is why outlets like Deadline are saying that Disney will be rethinking moving ahead with the Fett movie. All standalones from now on must tightly follow the RO idea (ie. set "inside" or very closely tied to an OT storyline) and how the mainline "trilogy" idea continues post-Ep IX - without close OT connection - is anyone's guess.

I don't think this is the case. Obi Wan likely has EM reprising his role. Boba Fett wears a helmet. And if KK is replaced by someone like Dave Filoni, I just can't imagine the two films not being huge draw. Assuming everything else goes smooth.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I wonder if they'll bring Luke back to life in Episode IX to throw some goodwill back at the fans and bring the people that feel alienated by The Last Jedi back into the fold.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I really liked Solo and hope they make more movies like it. You don’t need lightsabers and Darth Vader in every Star Wars movie.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

From the article:

"While I’m not going to argue that overseas audiences are drawn to big movies starring women and minorities more than standard white guy “he’s the special” hero’s journeys, they sure don’t seem to find them repelling either."

"Did Solo: A Star Wars Story disappoint because it had a white male lead? Would that it were so simple! You can throw a whole bunch of recent “starring a white male lead” blockbuster releases at me without even dipping into comic book superheroes, like The Revenant, Dunkirk, Kong: Skull Island and Ready Player One."

"Not every film starring a young white male lead is doomed to struggle overseas (Kingsman: The Secret Service). Not every female-led or minority-centric biggie is going to kick butt here (Pacific Rim: Uprising) and abroad (Ghost in the Shell). Yet, there is enough evidence to suggest that it doesn’t hurt to have your movie centered on a racial minority or a woman (of any color)."

"In the end, Solo had little to offer that was fresh and had little to sell beyond being a movie that happened to be part of the Star Wars universe. But in 2018, an event movie featuring a generic white guy in the lead is that much less of an event movie, and merely being a big-budget fantasy spectacle isn’t enough. Giving certain demographics, a still too rare opportunity to root for heroes that look like them can help create demographically-specific event movies. Thus, from a certain point of view, white male movie stars may indeed be box office poison."


In other words, having a white male lead doesn't prevent people from attending a film. However, if you're going to rely on hacky genre fiction where there's no innovation, you really need a selling point beyond "just another sci fi movie" or "just another superhero movie". Can hacks afford not to use identity politics as a selling point?

I have a better idea: maybe audiences don't need to be patronized with hacky writing in the first place. Maybe if a franchise has consistently good storytelling, dialogue, character development and design, people will throw money at you regardless as to what the protagonist looks like. Instead, the asshat who wrote this article is concerned with sustaining a business model that relies on hack writing. His answer? Race bating.

Someone remind me, why do film critics exist in the first place?

Wow, that is ugly.

#futureismoron

He should move to China to rail against the domination of Asian men in government and HK movies, or to Africa to have some fun with the fact that black African film leads don't travel well overseas. He could be a consultant in Bollywood planning to transition away from so many Indian main characters.:lol

It's so bizarre that white females are in the same category as African American males in this guy's world.:slap
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)


Wow! That was brutal (and hilarious)!

I know that virtually every movie ever made can be eviscerated in a similar fashion, but there were criticisms made in this review that are going to be really difficult to ignore when I ultimately watch Solo (Blu-Ray or OnDemand). If even a fraction of the nonsensical elements really come across as poorly as MauLer describes them in this video, then . . . yikes! That's going to be sad. But, I have a hard time believing that the writer(s), director(s), producer(s), and studio could all be so devoid of intellectual awareness. The plot points and execution can't possibly be as stupid as presented in the video. At least I hope not.

The segment toward the end where he does a composite of the two actors performing as Han was startling, though. Harrison Ford IS Han Solo. Of all the obstacles this movie faced in gaining acceptance, I think this one was always going to be the toughest. Kasdan decided to add a completely unnecessary extra one with about a week to go before opening day, but overcoming the Harrison Ford comparisons (and charisma gap) was still going to remain a more relevant hurdle to deal with.

Thank you very much for the link, greedo737. If Solo ends up really being this dumb and full of pandering fan service bits, at least it gave MauLer an opportunity to provide 55 minutes of laugh-out-loud critique.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Solo is absolutely a flop because of those reshoots.

But Disney can easily EASILY afford this flop just with Ant Man’s profit alone lol

This isn’t WB afterall.

How much has the MCU brought in?

How much has Pixar brought in?

How much has BATB and Jungle Book and Zootopia brought in?

Solo is the flop NOT Disney.

That being said I see about 200 low to mid level workers being fired lol

Disney is cheap as ****. :lol
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

They should just come combine the Obi-Wan movie with the Boba Fett movie.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Little by little Disney will eventually just make the PT great.

Before you know it they’ll redo Anakin’s fall in flashbacks all in glorious RO and Solo quality.

Don’t believe me then WTF was Maul doing in Solo that ****er was KILLED! lol

They want to redo the PT so bad they freaking resurrected Maul!

Please don’t bring up those lame cartoons. :lol

I think they want to restore GL reputation.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

They should just come combine the Obi-Wan movie with the Boba Fett movie.

I like it but I can't think of a reason those 2 would collide. BF doesn't go after Luke until after ANH and before ESB.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Wow! That was brutal (and hilarious)!

I know that virtually every movie ever made can be eviscerated in a similar fashion, but there were criticisms made in this review that are going to be really difficult to ignore when I ultimately watch Solo (Blu-Ray or OnDemand). If even a fraction of the nonsensical elements really come across as poorly as MauLer describes them in this video, then . . . yikes! That's going to be sad. But, I have a hard time believing that the writer(s), director(s), producer(s), and studio could all be so devoid of intellectual awareness. The plot points and execution can't possibly be as stupid as presented in the video. At least I hope not.

The segment toward the end where he does a composite of the two actors performing as Han was startling, though. Harrison Ford IS Han Solo. Of all the obstacles this movie faced in gaining acceptance, I think this one was always going to be the toughest. Kasdan decided to add a completely unnecessary extra one with about a week to go before opening day, but overcoming the Harrison Ford comparisons (and charisma gap) was still going to remain a more relevant hurdle to deal with.

Thank you very much for the link, greedo737. If Solo ends up really being this dumb and full of pandering fan service bits, at least it gave MauLer an opportunity to provide 55 minutes of laugh-out-loud critique.

My pleasure! I think his review is spot-on. Watch this one he did for TLJ and if you have the time, his full break-down of it.

https://youtu.be/9QJRw56cOVw

https://youtu.be/vw7pcCj0ORk
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Little by little Disney will eventually just make the PT great.

Before you know it they’ll redo Anakin’s fall in flashbacks all in glorious RO and Solo quality.

Don’t believe me then WTF was Maul doing in Solo that ****er was KILLED! lol

They want to redo the PT so bad they freaking resurrected Maul!

Please don’t bring up those lame cartoons. :lol

I think they want to restore GL reputation.

All these 'tubers pulling faces think they know the biz but nobody knows it like the Diz.

They probably had meetings 2 years before buying Lucasfilm generating backup plans for flops at every stage. In fact, the way people make **** up on this site, I fully guarantee that happened and I have a friend who was there. :lol
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Larry Kasdan having a little father-son chat with Jon Kasdan about those pansexual and identity politics tweets DAYS before release...

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"You god**** hipster mother****** - you were unemployed for a decade before I got you this gig!":lol
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Wow! That was brutal (and hilarious)!

I know that virtually every movie ever made can be eviscerated in a similar fashion, but there were criticisms made in this review that are going to be really difficult to ignore when I ultimately watch Solo (Blu-Ray or OnDemand). If even a fraction of the nonsensical elements really come across as poorly as MauLer describes them in this video, then . . . yikes! That's going to be sad. But, I have a hard time believing that the writer(s), director(s), producer(s), and studio could all be so devoid of intellectual awareness. The plot points and execution can't possibly be as stupid as presented in the video. At least I hope not.

The segment toward the end where he does a composite of the two actors performing as Han was startling, though. Harrison Ford IS Han Solo. Of all the obstacles this movie faced in gaining acceptance, I think this one was always going to be the toughest. Kasdan decided to add a completely unnecessary extra one with about a week to go before opening day, but overcoming the Harrison Ford comparisons (and charisma gap) was still going to remain a more relevant hurdle to deal with.

Thank you very much for the link, greedo737. If Solo ends up really being this dumb and full of pandering fan service bits, at least it gave MauLer an opportunity to provide 55 minutes of laugh-out-loud critique.

I try to suspend disbelief when watching movies, so I rarely notice plot holes unless they're really gaping or involve ridiculous contradictions. The problems with Solo that actually took me out of the movie were mentioned in the video:

1) Solo's initial getaway sequence is contrived, particularly when he's on the other side of the gate. Is he out of the Empire's jurisdiction?

2) Lando disregards the debt Solo owes him, with no explanation. It really is jarring.

3) The "betrayal scene" at the end is a complete mess.

It's a buddy/heist film in space, so I wouldn't say the plot holes ruined the film for me. I found the handling of Han's origin story more problematic in that you're beaten over the head with factoids the entire film, to the point of absurdity. The problem is that most of the references were trivial plot-wise, so all of these references depend on enthusiasm for the OT as a way of carrying the film. It doesn't work, in my opinion. If something is insignificant to the plot, it's superfluous and feels shoe-horned into the film. One or two instances like that would be mildly annoying, but these trivial factoids punctuate the entire movie. It's tedious.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Wow just got back surprisingly awesome. Easily one of the best Star Wars , loved the blade runneresque vibes


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Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I was expecting them to go way harder on the wink-winks. Considering the prelude in Last Crusade, I was shocked they didn't even show how he got the chin scar.
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

We now know the reason Disney chief Bob Iger decided to green light this film: Han's last name having a backstory. According to Lawrence Kasdan:

Five years ago, when I came onto the thing -- and Disney wasn't on when I came on, then three weeks later, they owned the company -- and they came up to Marin [California] and Kathy [Kennedy] got the people who were already working on it to make a five-minute presentation to Bob Iger and Alan Horn and everyone. My presentation was, [Han] comes to an immigration spot and someone asks, 'What's your name?' It's not just that he doesn't have a name, which tells you a lot about his history. He says 'I have no people.' That to me is so forlorn and so isolating and rife, and the guy fills in his name. Bob Iger said 'Alright, I'm in.' That was it. That was the moment. He reacted to it the way I reacted to it, which was, it's very moving. This was a guy who has nothing. Someone plants a name on him. He doesn't even know the guy. It sticks for the rest of the saga.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/24...ars-story-scene-that-sold-disney-on-the-movie
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

We now know the reason Disney chief Bob Iger decided to green light this film: Han's last name having a backstory. According to Lawrence Kasdan:

I guess you could have said he gave Solo the Iger Sanction (Clint's just missing the fur coat)...

eiger-sanction.jpg
 
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

I was expecting them to go way harder on the wink-winks. Considering the prelude in Last Crusade, I was shocked they didn't even show how he got the chin scar.

No kidding especially as you said after what we got in Last Crusade (which I know Kasdan wasn't a part of but still.)

No chin scar, no iconic vest, no Fett, Jabba, Falcon upgrades, nerf herds, gundarks, "you better never pull a gun on me again Greedo," no Jedi charlatan exposed as practicing simple tricks and nonsense, etc.
 
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