Solo: A Star Wars Story

[TaliBane]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

No, I actually said the exact opposite.




Once again, you're blowing up the comparison in straw-man fashion.

I appreciate your oral history. I appreciate the article I read. I don't have to believe either, as you asked, because I can't determine either to be factually correct. that's just the honest truth. I never said your recollection was fuzzy.

It's weird how fact-focused you are in some regards and then wildly speculative in other areas, and touchy when it's addressed.

But, hey, it takes all types to make an internet.

Where? It sounds pretty cool though - "wildly speculative." I like that.



And... I was joking in the first part of my comment. That's why there's that laughing emoji in there. This guy->

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story (May 25th, 2018)

Where?

Any post where you mention how small the number/percentage of fans are who post harassing comments on social media? Or the stuff I just pointed out - toxicity did not exist in the OT era?

Come on, dude. You know what "speculation" means. You know what you do.

I like a lot of your jokes but when you srs and criticise others for being biased?
You're very good at conflating someone's stated argument with something you can refute, I'll give you that.

 

[xipotec]

I don’t know how much you know about corporate culture but it goes like this.

If you’re in charge when something great happens (MAKE LOTS OF MONEY) even if your involvement was minimal you will be highly rewarded, seriously highly rewarded.

Ok are you ready for this, are you sitting down?

If you’re in charge when something bad happens (LOSE LOTS OF MONEY) even if you were fully responsible for that loss YOU WILL STILL BE HIGHLY REWARDED AS YOUR SEVERENCE PACKAGE. YOU WILL BE REWARDED TO LEAVE!

Go read up on previous CEO’s of Yahoo, HP, Wells Fargo, Country Wide, hell any fortune 500 company with change in leadership.

That Yahoo CEO holy crap.

Regardless how little Kennedy was responsible for TFA/TLJ/RO success she still gets the credit that’s how it works.

That being said you’re wrong she had plenty to do with it.

This is truth beyond measure...

Also , the stock is fine, Disney stock will always do well, because they have diversified so much that any one part can daily and the other will hold it up....looking at you EsPN.


Also, either Kennedy is responsible or she isn’t? If she is responsible for ST creative control, then shes also responsible for some of DIS highest earning ever....

OR shes not responsible for the earnings, and then not responsible for the creative element. I know you SJW types wanna blame her for everything shes doing to hurt white males (yup you guys are just as SJW as anyone) but pick something to blame her about....

Meanwhile , I keep counting the cash I am making with my Disney stock.


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[jedijim3002]

Don’t forget George kept his 2 billion in Disney stock from the sale of Lucasfilm. Does that mean he’s pulling the strings? Dunno

 

[Franken Berry]

Also, either Kennedy is responsible or she isn’t? If she is responsible for ST creative control, then shes also responsible for some of DIS highest earning ever.... OR shes not responsible for the earnings, and then not responsible for the creative element.

That's demonstrably false. The ST has been promoted by appealing to nostalgia, which means its success was largely the result of a demographic created by the original trilogy. Monetizing that nostalgia should not have been a difficult task, from a producer's perspective. You just needed to hire talent capable of volleying themes and aesthetics from the OT. Let's face it, it's not as if she's creating sequels to a literary classic. She needed competent hack writers. What did we get? A carbon copy of A New Hope, and then... whatever TLJ was. In other words, it is entirely possible that she is not responsible for the financial success of the ST, but is definitely responsible for the decline of the franchise. For your argument to be coherent, you'd have to argue that the franchise had no value prior to Kennedy's arrival, or that she somehow added value to the franchise. Did she?

Just wait until Episode 9. It's going to be a bloodbath at the box office.

 

[rushmore223]

Bloodbath? Not really.

By the time episode 9 comes out, there will have been 18 months between Star Wars movies. Audiences will be hungry again. I think your putting too much stock in the boycott theory, everything I've read, from reputable sources, says otherwise.

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[Franken Berry]

Bloodbath? Not really.

By the time episode 9 comes out, there will have been 18 months between Star Wars movies. Audiences will be hungry again. I think your putting too much stock in the boycott theory, everything I've read, from reputable sources, says otherwise.

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No, I don't think the "boycott" involves many people. I think the problem is that the ST hasn't resonated with parents or their children, the way that Marvel films have. As a parent, I gave Star Wars a shot in hoping it'd be passed on to my kids. I didn't care for it, and they didn't care about it either. There's no incentive for me to continue supporting the franchise. Neither of my kids have asked for Star Wars toys for Christmas. My friends and relatives said the same thing. There's a lot of Marvel stuff, a lot of Nerf and video games, not much Star Wars. From the looks of all the toys in bargain bins, I'd say the ST characters haven't resonated enough to carry the franchise forward.

 

[Khev]

Bloodbath? Not really.

By the time episode 9 comes out, there will have been 18 months between Star Wars movies. Audiences will be hungry again. I think your putting too much stock in the boycott theory, everything I've read, from reputable sources, says otherwise.

Yeah I can see Episode IX doing Rogue One-ish numbers as opposed to TFA or even TLJ but no way will it be another Solo. Even if people are less interested in this trilogy overall it will still have the "well I've come this far might as well see how they wrap it up" factor.

 

[rushmore223]

Yeah I can see Episode IX doing Rogue One-ish numbers as opposed to TFA or even TLJ but no way will it be another Solo. Even if people are less interested in this trilogy overall it will still have the "well I've come this far might as well see how they wrap it up" factor.

Yes. My wife, for instance, is not a Star Wars fan. She doesn't care enough about the side movies to see them in the theater. The episodes are a different story though, while I'd never call her excited to see them, she does want to see the episodes at the cinema.

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[Wor-Gar]

Let's face it: Star Wars just hasn't been able to hit its stride under new management.

For starters there needs to be a lot less dark and a lot more fun. Adventure should be the key word when any writer is sitting down to pen a sequence. I feel in all these Disney movies, the sense of adventure has been lost. Trekking to new exotic landscapes -- not miserable looking cities with crowded slums and broom boys and certainly not richie-rich casinos where aliens wear terrestrial tuxedos.

Also, the design teams need to up their game. A Star Wars movie should have a universe of new designs -- not just one or two new troopers and a few poorly put together costumes. RO came the closest to a "busy galaxy" and felt the most "lived-in". All the others feel... empty.

 

[xipotec]

Let's face it: Star Wars just hasn't been able to hit its stride under new management.

For starters there needs to be a lot less dark and a lot more fun. Adventure should be the key word when any writer is sitting down to pen a sequence. I feel in all these Disney movies, the sense of adventure has been lost. Trekking to new exotic landscapes -- not miserable looking cities with crowded slums and broom boys and certainly not richie-rich casinos where aliens wear terrestrial tuxedos.

Also, the design teams need to up their game. A Star Wars movie should have a universe of new designs -- not just one or two new troopers and a few poorly put together costumes. RO came the closest to a "busy galaxy" and felt the most "lived-in". All the others feel... empty.

I agree with Wor on this....the dark Sci-Fi epics should be left to Blade Runner and Terminator.

The designs so far have been mediocre. So far the only stuff I really like

1. Post war sets of Jakku
2. The Maz cantina aliens
3. Snokes Guards
4. Solo’s Enfys
5. RO K2s04
6. RO Death Trooper

PT has alot of bad...but does still boast some of the best designs...but with all that creative stretch, it also brought with it some of the worst (space diner and Jax for one)

Its a huge risk designing new stuff.....especially for SW fans. They will call it derivative (as they are now) or not SW enough......

So , IMO Disney’s fan service is playing it safe on design ....


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[Wor-Gar]

It almost feels like there's a "Disney directive" with their design people: 1 derivative trooper, 1 all-new trooper, and 1 'Disney universe' trooper

Example:

Derivative: Mudtrooper - based on Veers armor, etc (derivative doesn't mean bad here because I love this trooper)

All-new: Patrol trooper

Disney: Range trooper - based on Tank Trooper designs from their own RO


I can literally see this 'requirement' on internal memos to the design department.

 

[Khev]

For starters there needs to be a lot less dark and a lot more fun.

Well I for one love the balance between darkness and fun (and I'd definitely say that there's a lot more of the latter, it's just the few downer bits tend to be so impactful as to linger more afterward than the fun and adventure.)

Disney (I mean straight Disney flicks like Bambi, Dumbo, etc.) and SW *used* to have some shockingly dark aspects (Indy too) and I love that LFL is bringing that back.

I just don't think that Star Wars will ever be a property that pleases everybody anymore. "Solo" was overflowing with fun and adventure and audiences stayed away in droves. As fans we'll forever have to just pick and choose the films we like and discard the rest.

 

[YoNoSe]

I’ve been impressed with the Star Warsiness of everything except the Casino Monsters Inc aliens.

TFA in particular was a great adventure movie IMO.

 

[Khev]

I’ve been impressed with the Star Warsiness of everything except the Casino Monsters Inc aliens.

Lol, agreed, and I do admit to getting a Mike Wazowski vibe from Rio in Solo but really warmed up to him on my second viewing.

I do wish the "You're a ded mon Solo" guy was played by someone cooler. Not sure what Abrams was thinking by casting such a dork instead of giving us some cool new alien or masked bounty hunter.

 

[YoNoSe]

I can never unsee the deleted scene from TLJ with the naked cyclopps baby thing in the steam room.

W....T.....F.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Well I for one love the balance between darkness and fun (and I'd definitely say that there's a lot more of the latter, it's just the few downer bits tend to be so impactful as to linger more afterward than the fun and adventure.)

Disney (I mean straight Disney flicks like Bambi, Dumbo, etc.) and SW *used* to have some shockingly dark aspects (Indy too) and I love that LFL is bringing that back.

I just don't think that Star Wars will ever be a property that pleases everybody anymore. "Solo" was overflowing with adventure and audiences stayed away in droves. As fans we'll forever have to just pick and choose the films we like and discard the rest.

People said they had trouble seeing Solo in its dark world. Literally dark. But what I meant was the dark, grimy, gritty nature of the galaxy that we are seeing here: Jedha, Correlia, even Luke's paradise island seems like a dark place, etc. As an adult, I like this dark look -- but it isn't very Star Wars as I remember it as a kid. It's a tricky balance for sure.

As far as adventure, RO had it in spades at the end -- but most of its subject matter was very dour: a mission to kill Jyn's father. Solo comes closest to an adventure movie -- train heist and the Kessel run. But that's it. There needs to be a lot more. Like minimum three big adventure set-pieces in every movie. Solo also suffers from having every male character lose his one love: Beckett's is killed (Val), Lando's is killed (L3) and Han's leaves him. To much dark, too much sad.

 

[YoNoSe]

Nope.

 

[Khev]

People said they had trouble seeing Solo in its dark world. Literally dark. But what I meant was the dark, grimy, gritty nature of the galaxy that we are seeing here: Jedha, Correlia, even Luke's paradise island seems like a dark place, etc. As an adult, I like this dark look -- but it isn't very Star Wars as I remember it as a kid. It's a tricky balance for sure.

Now for the record I'm not saying that a lighter and even more fun Saga wouldn't be embraced by more people or wouldn't earn LFL more money. I have no idea at this point (since after movies like Ex Machina, Fury Road, Blade Runner 2049, Annihilation, Solo, etc., all bombed I'm pretty convinced that modern audiences wouldn't know a good genre flick if it hit them in the face) but I'm just in that percentage of viewers however big or small that has been quite impressed with what LFL has accomplished with these new movies.

All I ever really wanted out of SW post-OT was to see what OT battles would look like with modern visuals (SE's failed to deliver but RO has now satisfied that desire) and to have the bad taste of the PT washed away (which all four new movies have done.) Little unexpected gems like Solo are just icing on the cake. Honestly after Episode IX I'd be totally fine with Disney just saying "and that's a wrap, that's 11 movies now and we'll just focus on merchandise and theme park attractions from now on." So I'm not exactly wringing my hands over whether or not Disney does things "correctly" going forward. It's all gravy to me and any new films that suck (like a Boba Fett film starring Daniel Logan) I'll just ignore from here on out.

As far as adventure, RO had it in spades at the end -- but most of its subject matter was very dour: a mission to kill Jyn's father. Solo comes closest to an adventure movie -- train heist and the Kessel run. But that's it. There needs to be a lot more. Like minimum three big adventure set-pieces in every movie. Solo also suffers from having every male character lose his one love: Beckett's is killed (Val), Lando's is killed (L3) and Han's leaves him. To much dark, too much sad.

When you put it like that, damn....lol. Someone on another site mentioned that they noticed that all through the movie Han would always swipe away Chewie's hand whenever the wookiee would try to show affection or reassure him until the very end when Qi'ra took off Chewie put his hand on Han's shoulder one last time and he didn't push it off. Aw. Actually a pretty touching way to show that Han was letting go of the former person that he wanted to see the galaxy with in favor of his new partner. Then I thought that Han's final exchange with Enfys, final Sabacc game, and jovial "when have I ever led you astray" send off with Chewie was a pretty cheery streak to end the film on.

 

[Khev]

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Nope.

Not Warwick Davis' finest hour, lol.