Solo: A Star Wars Story

[Wor-Gar]

(since after movies like Ex Machina, Fury Road, Blade Runner 2049, Annihilation, Solo, etc., all bombed I'm pretty convinced that modern audiences wouldn't know a good genre flick if it hit them in the face)

Now we sound like our grandfather's regarding the first Star Wars era.

It's true, I don't know if I'd like something so light and fluffy now -- if there was no Star Wars, would I like the original today if it was shown? Would it be too corny and silly? Not dark enough for me...?

It's a near impossible task. But all I know is that these Disney movies are consistently nose-diving over the last 3 years. So they're not resonating with many. In fact, they are losing market share consistently.

 

[Khev]

I remember watching the the original SW after RO and how the fun and optimism felt even more exhilarating after the bleakness of RO. So if Disney does it right and doesn't go too much in one direction the "fun vs. dark" aspects of the various films can really compliment and even enhance one another.

 

[rushmore223]

Personally, I have no problem compartmentalizing any movie that doesn't work for me. Hell, I can, to some extent disregard entire portions of movies and just concentrate on the positive. Which is probably why I can look forward to each and every new Star Wars release. Otherwise, I'd have quit at clones.

As long as the movies are better than AOTC, keep'em coming!

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[YoNoSe]

I have just enough compartments to enjoy the prequels.

 

[Khev]

I have just enough compartments to enjoy the prequels.

I know many people consider Jango Fett to be a high point of the PT but IMO he's probably the single worst aspect of it. In George's attempt to cash in on Boba Fett's popularity he took everything cool about Boba and just gave it all to another guy only to say that Boba just copied him. That basically makes him another Kylo Ren/Vader poseur or TLC River Phoenix. That's a bad taste that I just haven't been able to let go of.

 

[jedijim3002]

I guess I have selective memory when it comes to the prequels. I do tend to overlook all the dumb stuff like Jar Jar, Jar Jar stepping in poop, Jar Jar getting a fart in the face, and pointless, albeit cool visual aspects like the pod race.

I still see the overarching theme being weaved through the prequels because I know where it’s heading and small things, like fan service, have more impact because it echos to the OT. So I guess I do give them a pass to some degree.

I’m just having a hard time seeing where the ST is going. Haphazard story telling doesn’t seem to be getting us anywhere and it’s certainly dividing the fans when it should be reconciling the old fans with the new.

That being said I will give credit where credit is due. Visual effects, space battles, and acting seem to me anyway to be decent. I liked Rey in TFA but I thought Finn was a pretty useless character. Although he did have some character development and gained some courage towards the end only to lose it all again in TLJ. Harrison Ford and Fisher were great in TFA and the prospect of Luke was built up to be amazing.

Equally I thought RO was good. A story that fit neatly into the cannon of the OT and PT like Shadows of the Empire did for Episode 5 and 6.

Solo was a fun movie to watch. I’ll give it that but the politics leading up to and surrounding it just spoiled it for me. Real shame.

 

[YoNoSe]

I always thought it was weird that they introduce Jango while he’s farming out work to another bounty hunter.

 

[Khev]

I always thought it was weird that they introduce Jango while he’s farming out work to another bounty hunter.

Who in turn then immediately farms out work to a droid, lol.

Jango: "Here go kill the queen, pass it on."

Zam: "Here go kill the queen, pass it on."

Droid: "Here go kill--" *sees that there's no one there* "Dammit!"

 

[YoNoSe]

But be careful, these murder worms are dangerous. WTF?

 

[Khev]

Oh yeah I guess even the droid farmed out work to the worms, lol.

Two bounty hunters, a droid, and some worms. Real nice clean little operation they had going there.

I'm surprised that one of the worms didn't split in half to reveal a tiny little man with a hatchet coming out to kill her, lol.

 

[YoNoSe]

It was foolproof!

 

[Khev]

And then to make it even more bizarre George goes out of his way a few scenes later to show that Jango is capable of hitting one inch of a person's exposed neck with a tiny poisonous wrist dart from a hundred meters away. Good thing he didn't risk putting such skills to use against his primary mark, someone could have gotten hurt!

 

[jedijim3002]

Oh yeah I guess even the droid farmed out work to the worms, lol.

Two bounty hunters, a droid, and some worms. Real nice clean little operation they had going there.

I'm surprised that one of the worms didn't split in half to reveal a tiny little man with a hatchet coming out to kill her, lol.

OMG!!! Jango was a Russian nesting doll this whole time!!!

 

[YoNoSe]

He’s obviously unstable. How else could he forget, in a life/death situation, that his flamethrower was extremely effective five minutes ago against the same Jedi?

 

[jedijim3002]

 

[crows]

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Nope.

Personification of private parts???

 

[ajp4mgs]

I know many people consider Jango Fett to be a high point of the PT but IMO he's probably the single worst aspect of it. In George's attempt to cash in on Boba Fett's popularity he took everything cool about Boba and just gave it all to another guy only to say that Boba just copied him. That basically makes him another Kylo Ren/Vader poseur or TLC River Phoenix. That's a bad taste that I just haven't been able to let go of.

The part of your post that I put in bold encapsulates the prequels pretty well for me if you replace "Boba Fett" with "the original trilogy." By needlessly making so many PT elements retroactively connect to the OT, the prequels lost some artistic integrity in the process. And all for the sake of some cheap thrills instead of being for the sake of the story. There would have always been enough organic OT connections without needing to artificially create more.

Another Fett didn't need to exist in the Anakin act of the Skywalker saga ("Boba Fett worked, so let's do another one.")

A kid version of Boba didn't need to be in the PT ("People love Boba Fett, let's stick his origin story into the Anakin origin trilogy.")

Anakin creating C-3PO was a mind-boggling choice ("Wouldn't people be blown away if C-3PO was made by Darth Vader!?")

And other characters from the OT that had no story-driven purpose for being in the prequels (like Greedo and Jabba) just invite the question of "why are they in here?" Then the answer to that question cheapens the integrity of the story-telling motivation.

Worse yet, we just ended up with WTF scenarios in the OT like the fact that the two droids Luke came upon randomly in ANH just so happened to be created by his father (Threepio) and belonged to his mother (Artoo). Why do that!? And why present Boba Fett as a kid? The OT Fett was awesome, in large part, because of the mystery surrounding this masked bounty hunter badass who we know next to nothing about beyond what we see on screen and what we can gather from the implications of how Vader talks to/about him.

Was there ever an actual Anakin origin story that the PT stayed true to, or were the prequels more about Lucas recognizing that Star Wars could be used to build a cash-printing machine? When I watch them, it's hard to believe anything but the latter was the true motive for writing them.

 

[rushmore223]

Guess Jango doesn't care about the bounty, he just likes to delegate.

 

[Prime Clone]

Anakin creating C-3PO was a mind-boggling choice ("Wouldn't people be blown away if C-3PO was made by Darth Vader!?")

As I've opined to Khev previously, it seems weird if you watch the OT first but makes perfect sense if you watch the saga in episodic order. The droids are passed down through the Skywalker line, an inheritance.

And other characters from the OT that had no story-driven purpose for being in the prequels (like Greedo and Jabba) just invite the question of "why are they in here?" Then the answer to that question cheapens the integrity of the story-telling motivation.

Greedo didn't make the cut in the end. Jabba was forgivable; they were on Tatooine betting with a conman so it stands to reason they could cross paths with the crime lord.

Worse yet, we just ended up with WTF scenarios in the OT like the fact that the two droids Luke came upon randomly in ANH just so happened to be created by his father (Threepio) and belonged to his mother (Artoo). Why do that!?

Two words: The Force. As Qui-Gon says, "Nothing happens by accident." The droids are (sorry, were) central to the saga and carried the fate of the galaxy with them.

Was there ever an actual Anakin origin story that the PT stayed true to

It's always been George's story, so it's always been essentially the same, but probably evolved in his mind over time. Though it was pointed out recently that ROTS was the only solid part of the back story he had, so what you see in TPM and AOTC were more recent ideas.

 

[YoNoSe]

And then to make it even more bizarre George goes out of his way a few scenes later to show that Jango is capable of hitting one inch of a person's exposed neck with a tiny poisonous wrist dart from a hundred meters away. Good thing he didn't risk putting such skills to use against his primary mark, someone could have gotten hurt!

Man, I can’t stop thinking about this now.

Jango hires Zam, whom he supplies with the worms, but all she does is put them in a droid and wait on a building, observing. While he observes from another building?