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Good episode. I'm so pissed the vote went through :slap

Well, they HAD to have something interesting happen this season. It can't all be sunshine and rose bushes.

I'm not quite understanding why Juice being black would get him banished from the club. SAMCRO works with two black clubs, and considering they certainly didn't have ANYTHING in common with Zoebelle and the League, I don't see why SAMCRO would hate against blacks.

I got a huge grin on my face when the punks called Kozik "Lemonhead". You just know Sutter is trying so hard to get Chiklis and Goggins to guest star this season. They gotta get the Strike Team back together. They're halfway there. :rock

And the other thing I just noticed. . . you know who directed this episode??

This guy

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Interesting. I wonder if Weller will get in front of the camera too?

I wasn't crazy about the story arc on Dexter last year but Weller had some of the best parts of the season.
 
Might be old news but David Hasselhoff joins Sons of Anarchy. He has signed up to play a former porn star and adult film producer
 
The bit with Reg and Li'l Paul, and Linc's revelation leads me to believe Bobby is in some serious ____. I wonder if he will survive this season.
 
glad to see the murder of john teller is starting to unravel. although i don't think everything about that will be revealed this season it should make for some interesting times. and when the truth finally does come out, man is it going to hit the fan......:panic:
 
OK...it may just be that I have no business in this thread. But I want to make sure before I move on.

For the first time, last night, I checked out this show because I like Ron Pearlman as an actor.

And most of the way through the episode, it almost hurt. At one point, it actually did.

First, I just don't connect Ron Pealman with the "strong, silent' type. He is great when he is outspoken and obnoxious in his characters.

Second...the whole "outlaw-bikers-who-are-really-just-trying-to-do-the-right-thing" idea borders on ludicrous to me. (on this issue, I may be confused as from time to time, the room I was watching it in got pretty loud so I may have missed some key dialogue, but the overall idea that I got from the episode was that Ron was mad because one of their chapters was running drugs)

Third - The one scene that I was actually embarrassed to watch...some biker gang member holding a knife to a rabbit to get a former-biker-gone-softy to talk, to me, was the single most powerful credibility-destroying scene that I have ever seen in a movie. Even if it was not the pity for the rabbit, but the concern over his livelihood (destruction of his business) that was the point.

Or did I just misinterpret the episode?

Edit - And I forgot to mention the cop, or whatever he was, standing on the table swinging his leg around like 2-year-old while staring at the pictures of Ron and his gang.
 
in all honesty this show isn't for everyone & if you are just now starting to watch it at this point (season 4) you've missed a lot & i can see where you would be scratching your head at this show. i will agree with you that the threatening of the rabbit was rather lame regardless as you pointed out if it was about the rabbit itself or the business.
this show really needs to be watched from the beginning to understand some of the problems you have with it.
 
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It's in the 4th season already? I may have already missed too much to catch up. Thanks for the response, though.
 
I've seen every episode except the one just recently aired.

My take on it is if you watch the first and last episodes of S1-3, you could probably get a pretty good gist of the main conflicts of the show and where the characters stand. So essentially I think 6 episodes could get most people caught up to S4.

Another thing that might help is that Kurt Sutter intentionally creates a "split" for every gang. There are purist Aryans, then there are greedy lost their way uber evil Aryans that are ok to kill. There are purist Mexicans in gangs, then there are rogue, will do anything, mercenary Mexicans in gangs that are ok to kill. There are hard core ruthless black gangs, but there is the loyal hard working solid black gang that supports the SOA. There's the cop who won't let his "friends down",and then there's the uber evil merciless one dimensional ATF agent who is ok to kill.

Sutter has a wife and two kids at home in real life. He shows the SOA killing "classic" old school Aryans, how does he know they won't stab his children's eyes out with an icepick?

IMHO this is part of why the show is very uneven. Every rogue element has a "pure" version which is treated with kid gloves, and a *******ized version which even purists of the originals would hate, and thus are ok to kill or be the main antagonists on TV. I kind of see it like that strange Jennifer Lopez movie Enough, where she marries a guy who beats her, she leaves him, trains to kill him, even though he's set up as a one dimensional bully, then at the end, she doesn't kill him in cold blood, instead there is some deus ex machina to show she had no choice and it was just self defense and bad luck for the other guy, so she can get the satisfaction for the "kill" but carry none of the guilt or pain from being a "bad guy" herself. To me, this is quintessential Sons of Anarchy. Clay is bad, bad, and bad. But Jax is good, good and good. And the writing will only follow that mantra no matter how far off the rails the writing has to go to get it done.

In my book, Kurt Sutter has pretty much no choice at this point. The show must carry certain gang/MC worship and fandom/groupie type behavior within it, not just the SOA type gangs, but all the other gangs too. He makes a storyline that pisses anyone off too much, sends the wrong message in their eyes, and my guess is Sutter's children die. Why would a bunch of criminals kill someone's kids over a TV show plotline? I don't know, why does Kevin Smith need bodyguards while making the movie Dogma? There is a reason no one really wants to or has made many movies or TV productions about organized gangs before. I've read Sutters blog before and he openly admits he has anxiety issues and takes medication. I really don't think he understands at it's core. logically, why the Emmy voters will refuse to vote for a show where organized gangs get their wet dream fulfilled in an all out, no holds barred one dimensional cop kill.

This show carries a subject matter that I think no one, I mean no one, could tackle honestly and within three dimensions, unless they were 90 and dying of terminal cancer already and had no family.

I feel sorry for Sutter's children. The only way their dad gets to shift past doing super charged fan fiction is if he's willing to get their throats cut for it.


Very well-made point. And absolutely food for thought to chew over if can get to watching back episodes.
 
I really don't think he understands at it's core. logically, why the Emmy voters will refuse to vote for a show where organized gangs get their wet dream fulfilled in an all out, no holds barred one dimensional cop kill.

But, they will reward the Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire, etc.??

Mad Men wins a bunch of Emmys for depicting all those ad execs being complete douchers, so I really don't think they care about the 'subject matter' . . . Emmys and all award shows are all about being 'artsy'. It's why The Shield and The Wire never won Emmys either. Shows that have 'gloss' win awards.

I'm pretty sure you're WAAAAY over-analyzing this whole thing.
 
I've seen every episode except the one just recently aired.

My take on it is if you watch the first and last episodes of S1-3, you could probably get a pretty good gist of the main conflicts of the show and where the characters stand. So essentially I think 6 episodes could get most people caught up to S4.
I'm sorry, but no i don't think so. Unless you're suggesting the gist of the main conflict is the main characters are presented with a problem, and said characters try to solve the problem... then yes i would agree with you. But that's with every show :monkey1

In regards to this weeks episode, I can see the tension between the cartel and SOA is beginning to rise :yess:
 
this weeks ep was very slow to me but I can see that they're doing these slow eps to build that tension of what's going to go down and then hit us with some crazy ____ week after week.
 
Thanks, if it weren't for all the Pre-Orders, I'd rush out and get Season 3 on Blu. I'm almost done with Season 2 and am really scared of what I'm gonna do to get my "Sons" fix.:lol
 
Kind of an anti-climactic way to confirm that Clay killed JT. On the other hand, it was all but confirmed anyways, so I guess there was no point in building up the suspense to the point where Clay finally admitted it.

I have a strong feeling that Clay won't be a member of SAMCRO by the end of the season. Clay and Gemma are both lying to each other, Clay's pissing everybody off in the club. He's burning all sorts of bridges on his way out.
 
I have a strong feeling that Clay won't be a member of SAMCRO by the end of the season. Clay and Gemma are both lying to each other, Clay's pissing everybody off in the club. He's burning all sorts of bridges on his way out.

:exactly:

The club is broken and i'm really loving this season, the wait for each episode is brutal and i'm not like that with many shows.
 
Might be old news but David Hasselhoff joins Sons of Anarchy. He has signed up to play a former porn star and adult film producer

I thought The Hoff was rather kick ass the other night. I didn't know he was going to be on the show and it's so unlike anything else he's done.
 
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