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lame?..............:cuckoo:

i thought it was awesome. still hoping to see potter get into the action & catch a case of lead poisoning.
 
lame?..............:cuckoo:

i thought it was awesome. still hoping to see potter get into the action & catch a case of lead poisoning.

Extremely lame. Outside of the first 5 minutes and last 5 minutes, the rest of the story was crap. It reminds me of the lame filler episodes Japanese Anime use to wait for the writer to catch up with the story. :monkey1
 
So, if I'm understanding this correctly, Tara wants Jax to kill Clay calmly, less vengeance-y, so less fire in his heart, to put him more at ease with the whole thing. . . whereas Gemma wants Jax to kill Clay in furious anger to further solidify Jax as a violent bad-ass biker??

Besides being a hackneyed plot device to get SAMCRO at the meet, how could the Feds cover up the fact that Otto flipped?? They said they had to go straight to the warden and that would open them up, and this will just make the Cartel look stupid. Jax knows they're exposed. . .

The thing that really stuck out to me was really how manipulative Gemma is, the way she was talking to Jax at the end, made it sound like she's been fed up with Clay for a lo-o-o-ng time. I know she's always been that way, but this time she just really cranked it up a notch.
 
So, if I'm understanding this correctly, Tara wants Jax to kill Clay calmly, less vengeance-y, so less fire in his heart, to put him more at ease with the whole thing. . . whereas Gemma wants Jax to kill Clay in furious anger to further solidify Jax as a violent bad-ass biker??

Besides being a hackneyed plot device to get SAMCRO at the meet, how could the Feds cover up the fact that Otto flipped?? They said they had to go straight to the warden and that would open them up, and this will just make the Cartel look stupid. Jax knows they're exposed. . .

The thing that really stuck out to me was really how manipulative Gemma is, the way she was talking to Jax at the end, made it sound like she's been fed up with Clay for a lo-o-o-ng time. I know she's always been that way, but this time she just really cranked it up a notch.

I'm beginning to wonder if Romeo's a federale playing both sides. When he hung up with Jax, he gave that "I just lied" look.
 
The thing that really stuck out to me was really how manipulative Gemma is, the way she was talking to Jax at the end, made it sound like she's been fed up with Clay for a lo-o-o-ng time. I know she's always been that way, but this time she just really cranked it up a notch.

Gemma has one and only one motivation:

To be the woman behind the throne. Her "allegiance" has always swung towards the next probably leader....from JT to Clay and now to Jax.
 
You know it's gonna come back on Gemma when Jaxs finds out about here part in JT's death.
 
You know it's gonna come back on Gemma when Jaxs finds out about here part in JT's death.

that's where tara has the power to stop gemma's reign/influence...........but i think we all know the rest of the letters will get back to jax............at some point anyway. but the only way i see jax killing gemma is if tara is killed. unser isn't safe at all.
 
that's where tara has the power to stop gemma's reign/influence...........but i think we all know the rest of the letters will get back to jax............at some point anyway. but the only way i see jax killing gemma is if tara is killed. unser isn't safe at all.

Do we? The preview showed Gemma tossing them in the fire.
 
Do we? The preview showed Gemma tossing them in the fire.

well, tara's run copies before.......soooooooo.

if i were tara i would say tell gemma if anything ever happended to her that jax will get a special delivery in the case of her untimely death. and besides tara is smarter than gemma.....:wink1:.......just not as hot......:lecture
 
well, tara's run copies before.......soooooooo.

if i were tara i would say tell gemma if anything ever happended to her that jax will get a special delivery in the case of her untimely death. and besides tara is smarter than gemma.....:wink1:.......just not as hot......:lecture

:cuckoo::cuckoo:
 
Got a feeling Tara or Gemma is will get killed by the niners as payback, most likely Tara.
 
I think the Cartel is going to take Tara out before Jax can take Clay out and that will stop him. Remember that the hit is still out on Tara.
 
OA boss Kurt Sutter told TVLine’s Matt Mitovich that the capper, which concludes Dec. 6, “paints one or two characters into a corner, but ultimately continues to open up the avenue of stories for the rest of the club, so we can keep things going in Season 5.”

We already know one of them is Bobby. From the preview I'm guessing we'll see Juice as the other. I just don't see Jax killing Clay. Showing Jax with his knife to Clay's throat was too obviously baiting in the wrong direction. I bet Clay pulls the whole, "I'm the only one who can stop the hit on Tara" crap - which he can't, but Jax being gullible will buy it because he wants Tara safe and still wants out.
 
Didn't Clay say he'd take care of it or let them know if it's still a go not to long ago??

Nope. He just told Romeo to wait until he heard from him. But whether Clay okays it or not, we've already seen Romeo saying it's out of Clay's hands and happening regardless.
 
I'm beginning to wonder if Romeo's a federale playing both sides. When he hung up with Jax, he gave that "I just lied" look.

I'm not that familiar with the Mexican justice system, so how would this work?? Romeo is a federale who has infiltrated the cartel?? He and his crew are federales masquerading as a cartel?? So, essentially the federales are the Mexican FBI? Romeo is working with the FBI to bring down the IRA and SOA??. . . which doesn't really make sense because Potter has mentioned being able to bring down all three groups, Cartel, Irish and the Sons with his sting. And given the omniscient view we have as the audience, Potter wouldn't say this outright in front of his people if they were all in on it.
 
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