Sons Of Anarchy Discussion

[Batty]

I didn't think it was a bad episode, but I felt like the CIA thing was definitely a cop out. I also could have done without Tara and Gemma showing up at the very end. It's like they wanted to drive home the point that Jax belonged to Tara when they didn't need to.

And I'm not sure, but did Gemma not say a single word this episode?

 

[barryo]

i liked the episode overall but will agree that the cartel/cia involvement was a bit contrived. yet saying that there would have been no way for the club to survive what was about to go down (death or arrests) without that angle. the club needs to get back to what they do best, racketeering, chopping cars, & whores.............

& maybe they will. like the sherriff said .....(paraphrased)......"you're a criminal & im the law and it's my job to catch you...........let's get back to that"

 

[Kamandi]

Besides the question of whether old ladies would be allowed in church I did understand the visual metaphor. Jax and Tara are now on the same road as Gemma and John (and Clay). And Gemma understands her maneuverings to bring about Jax's presidency may have worked against her. She had hoped for greater influence but she now has less.

Machette flashing a badge and making RICO go away was a cop out, but people were calling it a few episodes ago so it shouldn't be a shock.

BTW - Maybe it was just my DVR, but when Jax asks Machette about the attempt on Tera and if he was behind it my video seemed to skip a few seconds. I never heard Machette's explanation for Tara. Fill me in please.

 

[thenammagazine]

Besides the question of whether old ladies would be allowed in church I did understand the visual metaphor. Jax and Tara are now on the same road as Gemma and John (and Clay). And Gemma understands her maneuverings to bring about Jax's presidency may have worked against her. She had hoped for greater influence but she now has less.

Machette flashing a badge and making RICO go away was a cop out, but people were calling it a few episodes ago so it shouldn't be a shock.

BTW - Maybe it was just my DVR, but when Jax asks Machette about the attempt on Tera and if he was behind it my video seemed to skip a few seconds. I never heard Machette's explanation for Tara. Fill me in please.

It was essentially a botched kidnapping. They were gonna put her in protective custody but Jax interrupted it.

 

[Morbach]

I dunno, I thought it was pretty weak as well. I also agree with SwedishHeat that after this, any sort of Hamlet storyline will feel contrived as you can see that Sutter's milking the story for a 5th season which will probably be just as predictable. We know the Niners will be after SAMCRO, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Clay, with Tig try to retake the club after Jax's move by targeting both him and Gemma. Also thought the whole BS with the Irish, after stating they need SAMCRO to run the weapons, was weak too.

Though I do like how Potter handled Hale's attempt at the Charming Heights development. I 'd.

I 100% agree.

This wouldn't be a bad season opener or regular ep but it dragged ass for a finale.

 

[quadcent]

It was essentially a botched kidnapping. They were gonna put her in protective custody but Jax interrupted it.

I called that one.

 

[quadcent]

I 100% agree.

This wouldn't be a bad season opener or regular ep but it dragged ass for a finale.

yeah really no reason to drag this into two episodes imo. Still wasn't bad imo, a bit of a stretch, but shat it tv not reality.

 

[ali032373]

It's still not general knowledge that Piney's dead.

And what about Bobby? How's that going to play out?

 

[addicted 2 collecting]

I can't wait for next season, I just hate waiting that long.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I think something that we are really not talking about ,but will play a big part in next season js the death of laroys gf, didnt they said it was some dude name pope daughter whos big time, thik theres gonna be another new big player next season!!!

 

[thenammagazine]

I think something that we are really not talking about ,but will play a big part in next season js the death of laroys gf, didnt they said it was some dude name pope daughter whos big time, thik theres gonna be another new big player next season!!!

I think it was painfully obvious to anybody who watched the show that the Niners will be the main antagonists for Season 5.

 

[Morbach]

I think it was painfully obvious to anybody who watched the show that the Niners will be the main antagonists for Season 5.

 

[SwedishHeat]

Interview with Sutter here

One of the things he discusses is that the CIA reveal was planned at the beginning, there were hints in there, but he edited them out in post, because he was afraid he'd give it away. . . kinda like the exact opposite of Dexter right now.

It makes sense going back, the fact that it was white guys that kidnapped Tara, the fact that the cartel showed up so quickly at the cabin when Jax and Opie got caught, the fact that the cartel was so quick to spot the tail on SOA at the motorcycle rally.

Also, the one thing I really like about Sutter is how completely open he is about the whole process. In response to adding new series regulars (I think it was in reference to an earlier question about how much he enjoyed Rockmond Dunbar's work) he said it wouldn't happen because series regulars get paid a lot and it makes the show too expensive, so you just call them 'special guest star' for the whole season. And here he talks about why he couldn't make the finale a 2-hour special, because everybody gets paid at a special rate if it's 'long-form' TV. Ultimately stating that breaking the finale into a 2-part episode was not the right way to do it. I just appreciate the he admits there's a lot more that goes into creating a show than him writing it. He's got a whole crew of union employees to get satisfied, the TV network has to be happy with it, there's a lot of people that have hands in the creation, but he has to deal with the fallout.

Plus, one subject he delves into time and time again is the reality of instant feedback and the criticism online, which I've always felt hurts the creative types, from Sutter to Sideshow. Anybody who creates stuff has to deal with people who love it saying it's the best thing ever to people who have no interest in it, saying it's the worst thing that's ever happened and everything in between. Getting comments from the peanut gallery has to be extremely stressful. I'm annoyed by 85% on this message board and I don't even create the stuff, so I can't imagine working on a project for 6 months to read "That's lame, PASS" "This will surely be on the GC list in a few months".

 

[isculpt]

Interview with Sutter here

One of the things he discusses is that the CIA reveal was planned at the beginning, there were hints in there, but he edited them out in post, because he was afraid he'd give it away. . . kinda like the exact opposite of Dexter right now.

It makes sense going back, the fact that it was white guys that kidnapped Tara, the fact that the cartel showed up so quickly at the cabin when Jax and Opie got caught, the fact that the cartel was so quick to spot the tail on SOA at the motorcycle rally.

Also, the one thing I really like about Sutter is how completely open he is about the whole process. In response to adding new series regulars (I think it was in reference to an earlier question about how much he enjoyed Rockmond Dunbar's work) he said it wouldn't happen because series regulars get paid a lot and it makes the show too expensive, so you just call them 'special guest star' for the whole season. And here he talks about why he couldn't make the finale a 2-hour special, because everybody gets paid at a special rate if it's 'long-form' TV. Ultimately stating that breaking the finale into a 2-part episode was not the right way to do it. I just appreciate the he admits there's a lot more that goes into creating a show than him writing it. He's got a whole crew of union employees to get satisfied, the TV network has to be happy with it, there's a lot of people that have hands in the creation, but he has to deal with the fallout.

Plus, one subject he delves into time and time again is the reality of instant feedback and the criticism online, which I've always felt hurts the creative types, from Sutter to Sideshow. Anybody who creates stuff has to deal with people who love it saying it's the best thing ever to people who have no interest in it, saying it's the worst thing that's ever happened and everything in between. Getting comments from the peanut gallery has to be extremely stressful. I'm annoyed by 85% on this message board and I don't even create the stuff, so I can't imagine working on a project for 6 months to read "That's lame, PASS" "This will surely be on the GC list in a few months".

Good post, yeah sometimes on message boards, we become so pretentious and wrapped up in the final product that we forget just how much effort goes into creating the things we like.

 

[thenammagazine]

Interview with Sutter here

One of the things he discusses is that the CIA reveal was planned at the beginning, there were hints in there, but he edited them out in post, because he was afraid he'd give it away. . . kinda like the exact opposite of Dexter right now.

It makes sense going back, the fact that it was white guys that kidnapped Tara, the fact that the cartel showed up so quickly at the cabin when Jax and Opie got caught, the fact that the cartel was so quick to spot the tail on SOA at the motorcycle rally.

Also, the one thing I really like about Sutter is how completely open he is about the whole process. In response to adding new series regulars (I think it was in reference to an earlier question about how much he enjoyed Rockmond Dunbar's work) he said it wouldn't happen because series regulars get paid a lot and it makes the show too expensive, so you just call them 'special guest star' for the whole season. And here he talks about why he couldn't make the finale a 2-hour special, because everybody gets paid at a special rate if it's 'long-form' TV. Ultimately stating that breaking the finale into a 2-part episode was not the right way to do it. I just appreciate the he admits there's a lot more that goes into creating a show than him writing it. He's got a whole crew of union employees to get satisfied, the TV network has to be happy with it, there's a lot of people that have hands in the creation, but he has to deal with the fallout.

Plus, one subject he delves into time and time again is the reality of instant feedback and the criticism online, which I've always felt hurts the creative types, from Sutter to Sideshow. Anybody who creates stuff has to deal with people who love it saying it's the best thing ever to people who have no interest in it, saying it's the worst thing that's ever happened and everything in between. Getting comments from the peanut gallery has to be extremely stressful. I'm annoyed by 85% on this message board and I don't even create the stuff, so I can't imagine working on a project for 6 months to read "That's lame, PASS" "This will surely be on the GC list in a few months".

That's cool and all, but the feds being planned from the beginning doesn't make much sense given FX hadn't approved a 5th season until late in the game, and the big reveal, which seemed like a cop out for several major plot points has created more questions than it answered, came in the Season 4 finale's extra episode. Sutter's not that bad of a writer, is he?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

So juices story for 3-4 episodes was a complete waste considering he got a get out of jail free card! What a waste of episodes atlest kill him off !

 

[Natrix]

Bobby Simone is moving to the wrong side of the law. NYPD Blue alum Jimmy Smits is joining the upcoming fifth season of FX’s flagship drama Sons Of Anarchy for a major, season-long arc. On the dark biker soap, Smits will play Neron “Nero” Padilla, a Latino gangbanger with an exit strategy who becomes a dangerous mentor for Jax (Charlie Hunnam).

Smits has played bad guys before, most notably the scheming ADA Miguel Prado in another season-long arc on a gritty cable drama, Showtime’s Dexter, but this marks a rare departure from Smits’ trademark shirt-and-suit look associated with most of his characters. Nero is envisioned as being heavily tattooed and definitely won’t be wearing a suit. He also is expected to be as dark and possibly even darker than Prado, a role that earned Smits an Emmy nomination. In addition to NYPD Blue and Dexter, Smits’ series credits also include LA Law, for which he won an Emmy, The West Wing and Outlaw. He is with Brillstein Entertainment, UTA and attorney Tom Hoberman. SOA has been renewed for a fifth and sixth season, with a seventh cycle considered a given after series creator Kurt Sutter was recently signed to a three-year deal.

 

[Batty]

That's awesome news - Smits was excellent on Dexter.

 

[SwedishHeat]

Season 5 Teaser.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAxdv6ZZkqw[/ame]

METAPHORS!!!!

 

[quadcent]

well that trailer sucked.