SPECTRE - Bond 24

[Platty]

Ouch !!!! Yeah I heard about the ejector seat.
Any other cool gadgets ?

Spoiler

flamethrower. Goldeneye style exploding watch.

 

[MaulFan]

Sounds like Q is going back on his whole , "we don't really go for that sort of thing anymore" comment in Skyfall.

 

[slackerboy]

Sounds like Q is going back on his whole , "we don't really go for that sort of thing anymore" comment in Skyfall.

Yay! Bond's a lot more fun when he's got some gadgets. As long as they don't go bat**** though. Too much of a good thing and all that.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I'd be all-in for some wild gadgets -- big ones, like Little Nellie or the AquaJet or the Lotus.

Part of Bond's appeal for years was the outlandish tech. Not sure why they gave that up. Most stuff would be much more believable today. Exploding pens and remote-driving cars by your watch is kind of boring. Give me a jetpack any time.

 

[MaulFan]

That's probably why they gave up on gadgets, in the modern era, what can you come up with that isn't commonplace but not over the top silly either.

I remember seeing a Connory Bond once where he had a camera in his pen, at the time it was unbelievable and only in secret government organizations, today that's a prize in a box of Fruit Loops.

 

[slackerboy]

That's probably why they gave up on gadgets, in the modern era, what can you come up with that isn't commonplace but not over the top silly either.

I remember seeing a Connory Bond once where he had a camera in his pen, at the time it was unbelievable and only in secret government organizations, today that's a prize in a box of Fruit Loops.

I believe Roger Moore had one in his ring in A View To a Kill also. The thing about Bond was that they used to be just ahead enough on gadgets that it seemed like something that should be possible. The mini-rebreather in Thunderball had the British Navy contacting them to ask if they could show them how they were made. The producers had to explain that it was just a prop and didn't really do anything. I think the bigger reason they gave up on gadgets is that Bond can tend to get out of a situation too easy if he has all his toys. In the "more realistic" world of Craig's Bond, they didn't fit in. I think a bit of a return to form with Q branch is well overdue.

 

[MaulFan]

I think a bit of a return to form with Q branch is well overdue.

 

[slackerboy]

It's their latest invention, a radio!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Considering the amount of sex he has and all the women...and men (according to Skyfall) he's in contact with, you'd think the Q branch would give Bond some gadgets hidden inside some sex toys, like an explosive vibrator or something.

 

[slackerboy]

Bah, Bond doesn't need sex toys! Those are for mere mortals.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Bah, Bond doesn't need sex toys! Those are for mere mortals.

He does after Casino Royale

 

[slackerboy]

Nah, it's just a flesh wound.

 

[Wor-Gar]

That's probably why they gave up on gadgets, in the modern era, what can you come up with that isn't commonplace but not over the top silly either.

I remember seeing a Connory Bond once where he had a camera in his pen, at the time it was unbelievable and only in secret government organizations, today that's a prize in a box of Fruit Loops.

I know, but you can easily push the tech. Man-carrying drone or something wild. There's plenty of room if you're innovative.

I don't buy the "we have it all" argument. That's not very creative thinking.

Honestly, the camera pen was never very exciting when I was a kid. But people still like the jetpack.


Part of the problem with the modern era Bond is its full of slow plot-points and "real-world" politics but not very full of creativity, short of what they "borrow" from the latest popular movies.

 

[slackerboy]

I know, but you can easily push the tech. Man-carrying drone or something wild. There's plenty of room if you're innovative.

I don't buy the "we have it all" argument. That's not very creative thinking.

Honestly, the camera pen was never very exciting when I was a kid. But people still like the jetpack.


Part of the problem with the modern era Bond is its full of slow plot-points and "real-world" politics but not very full of creativity, short of what they "borrow" from the latest popular movies.

Yeah, they need a bit more outlandishness. Nothing insanely silly, but Bond movies shouldn't be about realism. There's nothing really all that realistic about Bond if you look at the earlier movies. That's why people like them so much. Or at least why I do.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yeah, they need a bit more outlandishness. Nothing insanely silly, but Bond movies shouldn't be about realism. There's nothing really all that realistic about Bond if you look at the earlier movies. That's why people like them so much. Or at least why I do.

He needs an invisible car...oh...wait, never mind.

 

[slackerboy]

Yeah, that's the definition of "insanely silly".

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

That's a murky line to follow in this series, especially with the success the gritty Craig Bond series has reached. As a Godzilla fan, I can appreciate the campy and over-the-top films way more than casual viewers. I see the charm in them as I bet many diehard Bond fans do. These fans can appreciate the different eras and the unique approach to the series each installment took. But to be a huge financial success, these films are trying to be like a Bourne or Mission Impossible (highly exaggerated action but with a grit and basis in reality that the audience can feel the tension and stress on the man character) but still have the style and mythical abilities that the character is known for. For better or for worse, they combined certain formulas from other franchises and brought Bond success that it has never achieved before. But NOW you have to try to keep everybody happy.

In some ways the new Godzilla film was similar (just wasn't nearly as good as CR or SF). It allowed for Godzilla to be taken seriously be fans and casual fans and still kept his more "legendary" traits. It brought in plenty of new fans, and it had some little things hidden in there for longtime fans like myself. I think a far better Godzilla film can and should be made, but I'm more of a casual fan of Bond (but a huge fan of the Craig Bond films) and I personally loved the more Bourne/Mission Impossible-ish vibe of Skyfall with a more engaging main character than those other two franchises. For longterm Bond films, Casino Royal seems hands down to be Bond's most popular film. In a way, newer Godzilla fans will say the 2014 film is the best Godzilla film ever made. But I see many missed opportunities.

 

[Wor-Gar]

For longterm Bond films, Casino Royal seems hands down to be Bond's most popular film.

That's a very narrow view of a franchise that's been going over 50 years. You must not have been around that long. I think Thunderball is the most profitable Bond when adjusted although Goldfinger remains the gold standard. Spy Who Loved Me was also insanely profitable and popular in its day. CR is popular now, for the new generation because,... its still relatively new. 15 years from now you'll still be touting CR as the best against a new generation of kids who think their newest Bond is much better and more popular.

And comparing Bond to Godzilla...?

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

I meant out of the Craig films.

And the comparison to Godzilla was reflecting the decades of more lighthearted and campy films vs more serious and gritty ones.

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[MaulFan]

I don't know the Bond franchise inside and out but comparison to the Godzilla franchise seems fair, both with dozens of entries, a wide variety of styles, definite highs and lows and a fan base with specific likes and dislikes. I never even really got introduced to Bond unitl Brosnan's movies came out, and nothing about them appealed to me, it was really wanting to understand the obsession around this site with Daniel Craig with everyone doing customs that made me decide to check out Casino Royal and it just really work for me, but even then I was hearing how different the movies were and I kind of wrote of the rest of the franchise as probably something I wouldn't like. With all this Spectre build up, I finally decided screw it, and tried to watch a few. I watched all of Goldeneye thinking that might be closest to the Craig films and maybe something I'd like, and I started one of the Connory movies, I don't even remember, I searched online for top recommendations. Honestly, I just can't get into the "old school" Bond movies, the notion of the crazy supervillains with almost ludicrous plots for world domination just seems comical to me, I realize that's probably meant to make them fun, but after 3 Craig films, I just can't look to this franchise as a source of that type of fun. I found myself feeling like the plots were as humorous as an Austin Powers movie. I'm not putting them down, just saying, they're not for me. Likewise, I've been in Godzilla discussion where the films that mean most to me are looked at very poorly by others. What's great about these characters is the level of diversity in their franchises and how almost everyone can find "their Bond".