SPECTRE - Bond 24

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

People will get tired of the serious/gritty style and they'll embrace the over the top Bond films with the crazy gadgets, humor and weird villains again. People always want something "different," and "fresh." Look at Batman, when the 89 Batman film came out, people trashed the 60's Batman because it was too campy, but years later the audience liked "Batman Forever" and that lead to Batman & Robin, which is the equivalent of 'Die Another Day," but then came the Nolan films and people trashed the previous films because they liked the serious, grounded in reality, Batman. Same happened to the Bond films with Skyfall being influence by the Nolan Batman films according to the director, Sam Mendez. However, now we're getting Batffleck and there are people trashing everything about the Nolan films because now they want a more comic book style Batman, not grounded in reality. The same will happen to Bond. They'll get a new actor who is more charismatic, charming and isn't as serious and Craig, and just like that people will say, finally "the classic" Bond is back with the humor and the cool gadgets...until those same people get tired of it

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I started one of the Connory movies, I don't even remember, I searched online for top recommendations. Honestly, I just can't get into the "old school" Bond movies, the notion of the crazy supervillains with almost ludicrous plots for world domination just seems comical to me, I realize that's probably meant to make them fun, but after 3 Craig films, I just can't look to this franchise as a source of that type of fun. I found myself feeling like the plots were as humorous as an Austin Powers movie. I'm not putting them down, just saying, they're not for me. Likewise, I've been in Godzilla discussion where the films that mean most to me are looked at very poorly by others. What's great about these characters is the level of diversity in their franchises and how almost everyone can find "their Bond".

You might like 'From Russia with Love" with Sean Connery. It's not as campy as some of the other films...but the action might be a little dated, although it had a pretty good fight scene.

 

[Adolfo]

Lotta younger folks can't sit through many older films....many can't watch B& W films or films where by today's standards no action takes place...boring is used today more than ever before in our vocabulary...shame...dated? That is part of the charm imho...i know younger people that say they couldn't watch the Godfather because its boring etc...

 

[MaulFan]

That's often what makes remakes come off weaker to older fans, we're seeing something well done being molded to today's audiences but it often compromises what put value in the original and doesn't even amount to a solid product by today's standards. The classics worked made the way they were, those stories would never work in today's hollywood.

As for Bond, for me personally, it's a matter of the type of villains and plans I've grown up on, in my past experience the older Bond films feature the likes of cartoons or comedies so seeing that in a film that's meant to be serious just at creates a contradiction and takes me out of it. I know back in the day these things were commonplace and that's how they'd end up in cartoons and such. I think I'm just young enough to have missed out on the era to have come to embrace it.

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

Exactly the dualities that I was trying to compare between the two franchises. Those are the only two film franchises that I can think of that have been around for over 50 years and have gone through a metamorphosis as time and style has changed. It might be the only thing that they share in common but it is a rather impressive quality for both Bond films and Godzilla films.

For a lot of maybe younger people the old Bond films can be more on the sillier side and the villains like cartoon characters. Many of the old Zillas films don't have the trendy, hyper realistic atmosphere that 2014 had. Or the new Bond. And it's true, what casual audiences want or can accept will change again and Bond will adapt. Same as the Godzilla films.

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[Dr.Mirakle32]

I don't know the Bond franchise inside and out but comparison to the Godzilla franchise seems fair, both with dozens of entries, a wide variety of styles, definite highs and lows and a fan base with specific likes and dislikes. I never even really got introduced to Bond unitl Brosnan's movies came out, and nothing about them appealed to me, it was really wanting to understand the obsession around this site with Daniel Craig with everyone doing customs that made me decide to check out Casino Royal and it just really work for me, but even then I was hearing how different the movies were and I kind of wrote of the rest of the franchise as probably something I wouldn't like. With all this Spectre build up, I finally decided screw it, and tried to watch a few. I watched all of Goldeneye thinking that might be closest to the Craig films and maybe something I'd like, and I started one of the Connory movies, I don't even remember, I searched online for top recommendations. Honestly, I just can't get into the "old school" Bond movies, the notion of the crazy supervillains with almost ludicrous plots for world domination just seems comical to me, I realize that's probably meant to make them fun, but after 3 Craig films, I just can't look to this franchise as a source of that type of fun. I found myself feeling like the plots were as humorous as an Austin Powers movie. I'm not putting them down, just saying, they're not for me. Likewise, I've been in Godzilla discussion where the films that mean most to me are looked at very poorly by others. What's great about these characters is the level of diversity in their franchises and how almost everyone can find "their Bond".

 

[Wor-Gar]

It's all about age and what you grow up with of course. What was once original soon becomes overused and cliché.

I can't say I'm a big fan of this "slow, gritty" style that has leaked into so many franchises, but I know it won't last... it's already become clichéd. I think Craig himself is the best Bond since Connery -- but he is also made to be this unstoppable Bourne/Terminator character that is in itself a bit of a cartoon. I find many of the slow, detective beats to be, well, slow and out of step with many of the action scenes where Craig seems almost impenetrable and unstoppable (CR construction site chase, SF train chase). That's not going to make sense with the younger ones here, but it will one day... (reread my first sentence).

So claiming 'older Bonds are silly, but now they really are making Bond realistic' is a bit of a silly argument in itself. Bond is always 'of its time'. And your time is now. Be aware that your time is not all time. And there are classics for a reason. I do not think any of the Craig Bonds so far will be considered "classics" in the future.

 

[a-dev]

Roger Moore was the Bond of my childhood - well, I was still a child when Dalton was Bond and had only entered my teens when Brosnan got the role - but I place my primary Bond nostalgia with Roger Moore.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I grew up watching the Bond movie marathons, and that's how Sean Connery became my favorite and why I always see him as the real Bond, but I also like the Roger Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan films. I guess watching all of them at the same time made me appreciate the different styles. I was never a huge Brosnan fan, but the Goldeneye game for the N64 was awesome. Good times.

 

[JAWS]

People will get tired of the serious/gritty style and they'll embrace the over the top Bond films with the crazy gadgets, humor and weird villains again.

The studio might force that down our throat again... But that don't mean the people will like it. Nobody seems to be demanding "A view to a Kill" "Diamonds are Forever", or "Die Another Day" Those were all series killers and while the actors were all older and the series would have rebooted anyways. Everyone seems to agree they are the worst of the Bond films.

The trend seems to go like this.... Make some good Bond films then get campier until there is a backlash and then start over.

I think people will be happy as long as their is quality and fun to be had. Quantum of Solace is considered Craig's worst Bond film. It's not because it's campy or too series. It's because it's not a very good film.

People always want something "different," and "fresh." Look at Batman, when the 89 Batman film came out, people trashed the 60's Batman because it was too campy, but years later the audience liked "Batman Forever" and that lead to Batman & Robin, which is the equivalent of 'Die Another Day,"

This was the studio again.... Not the people... The studio wanted to sell more toys to the kids... Watch the Batman and Robin Doc on the Blu ray. Greed took the series to a campier place. The Studio got a bit freaked with Batman Returns because it was not as popular... But it did get a bit over adult. Lots of Scary images and sexual innuendo in that film. It was still a success but not as many kids got to see it and I am sure it effected sales.

but then came the Nolan films and people trashed the previous films because they liked the serious, grounded in reality, Batman. Same happened to the Bond films with Skyfall being influence by the Nolan Batman films according to the director, Sam Mendez.

personally I think people would hold the Nolan films in higher regard if The Dark Knight Rises was held in better regard. People were on board with that franchise until the last film. Plus this new batman looks to be plenty serious.

However, now we're getting Batffleck and there are people trashing everything about the Nolan films because now they want a more comic book style Batman, not grounded in reality.

Again I think this has more to do with the backlash from The Dark Knight Rises.

Again Quality rules over all.

The same will happen to Bond. They'll get a new actor who is more charismatic, charming and isn't as serious and Craig, and just like that people will say, finally "the classic" Bond is back with the humor and the cool gadgets...until those same people get tired of it

Like I said it's about quality. If Bond or Batman or any series continues to have quality then they wont change very much unless the studio gets greedy and thinks they can make more money by hitting a younger demographic.

 

[JAWS]

I grew up watching the Bond movie marathons, and that's how Sean Connery became my favorite and why I always see him as the real Bond, but I also like the Roger Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan films. I guess watching all of them at the same time made me appreciate the different styles. I was never a huge Brosnan fan, but the Goldeneye game for the N64 was awesome. Good times.

Moore was my first with Moonraker and then The Spy who Loved Me. Saw them both when ABC use to have the ABC Sunday Night Movie. As a kid I liked the gadgets and over the top villains. I watched all the bond movies whenever the Sunday Night movie would show them but Moore was my fav back then. Around 15 I became a Huge Bond fan and my tastes changed. Connery became my fav and On Her Majesty Secret Service became one of my fav Bond films (I hated it as a kid). Goldeneye IMO is one of the best Bond films and has some of the best action in the entire series but I thought all the other Pierce films fell flat. Other then QOS I have really enjoyed the Craig films. I hate Dalton. I hate his looks and how he acts. I hate the films themselves. Perhaps I need to give them another go but he is my least fav bond by far. Connery is and will always be number one. Nobody is cooler. From Russia with Love and Thunderball are my favs. Diamonds are Forever was a serious misstep though and ranks with the worst.



Ah the memories

 

[Jokes & Bats]

Love the Roger Moore films - especially The Spy Who Loved Me and The Man with the Golden Gun.

Dalton in The Living Daylights - just excellent. That opening chase / truck scene was brilliant.

Pierce Brosnan was the Bond of my childhood with Goldeneye and The World is Not Enough being my favs.

Die Another Day was just horrific.

Casino Royale was superb as was Skyfall.

Quantum and Spectre were both dull and boring.

 

[Adolfo]

For me there is not one Bond film I hate...true some are better than others...it was a great summer for me watching every Bond film with my teenage son...hes now reading all the IF books too now...he likes them all...likes Connery slot because he looks and sounds like Grandpa...he loves OHMSS too

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I hate Dalton. I hate his looks and how he acts. I hate the films themselves. Perhaps I need to give them another go but he is my least fav bond by far.

I don't mind him. After Connery, all of the other Bonds are more or less the same to me as far as where I rank them.

She's the main reason I like Dalton's film.

 

[a-dev]

^One of my earliest famous person crushes alongside Kim Basinger in Batman the same year. Bit of a contrast between the two, and neither would exactly be my type now, weird.

 

[jye4ever]

Man, Spectre is really tanking with the US reviews, ouch with that RT score.

DC's comments has really soiled my expectations for this movie.

 

[jye4ever]

I think many people search for that one definitive movie that will be their go to whenever they want to watch that particular genre.

So its easy and comforting for some to proclaim CR as the "best" Bond movie.

The outdated is now sleek, fast, realistic, cool, gritty and brutal, so why waste time watching Dr. No when they can get their Bond fix with a movie they feel captures everything good about the character in one complete modern package.

Even though it has a 50 year history Bond is really not that difficult to sort out, everyone usually picks the same movies when choosing their top 10.

CR has now taken a permanent spot in that top 10 list, hell, probably even in everyones top 5.

 

[slackerboy]

Man, Spectre is really tanking with the US reviews, ouch with that RT score.

DC's comments has really soiled my expectations for this movie.

Lower expectations means I can relax and enjoy. Every time a movie gets built up to be "OMFG BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!", I'm usually let down by it. The exception of course, being Movie 43.

 

[a-dev]

Lower expectations means I can relax and enjoy. Every time a movie gets built up to be "OMFG BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!", I'm usually let down by it. The exception of course, being Movie 43.

Exactly, same here.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Still disappointing though. Danjaq so desperately needs some youthful energy in that family-run business.