Speculation: Hot Toys Star Wars Rogue One Action Figures

[RandomHero]

No, no, no... that's PT raised-and-bred misinformation. And it's far from fair. The focus of the OT is hardly Vader. That's a quaint view from hindsight when one watches the PT. But the PT does not change the narrative of the OT.

The PT twisted the OT into something it was not in regards to Vader. His redemption is a nice character arc finale in the OT. But to say the OT is a narrative about Anakin is really to not understand storytelling. Other than Vader's redemption, there is no real story growth that occurs for Vader.... until the last 15 minutes of the entire trilogy.

The OT is Luke's story. He saves his corrupted father. The light that the PT sheds on Anakin/Vader simply aids that moment in ROTJ when Vader kills the Emperor to save his son. Admittedly it plays much better knowing the PT than it did originally. Because originally there wasn't much drama to Vader's character. It's all heresay... and then he finally turns good after all.

While you make good points, remember, the OT was released as episodes 4,5, and 6...meaning there was a backstory to those movies that hadn't been filmed. I remember when I was a kid in the 90s collecting Star Wars toys and the cards with the background on the figures even explained how Obi-Wan knocked Anakin Skywalker into a lava pit and turned him into a cyborg. The story was there...it just wasn't put on screen. It's hard to acknowledge because the PT (minus Revenge of the Sith, which was quite good in my opinion) was utter crap, but Star Wars 1-6 was always intended to be the story of Anakin. He was the one who was supposed to bring balance to the Force, and he did, by destroying Palpatine. Luke might have brought brought the good out of him, but when he killed the Emperor, he redeemed himself and destroyed the Sith, as was his destiny.

Again, I know it's hard because we all grew up loving the OT, and most of us try and ignore the PT, but Anakin is the main character of Star Wars.

 

[Mara]

While you make good points, remember, the OT was released as episodes 4,5, and 6...meaning there was a backstory to those movies that hadn't been filmed. I remember when I was a kid in the 90s collecting Star Wars toys and the cards with the background on the figures even explained how Obi-Wan knocked Anakin Skywalker into a lava pit and turned him into a cyborg. The story was there...it just wasn't put on screen. It's hard to acknowledge because the PT (minus Revenge of the Sith, which was quite good in my opinion) was utter crap, but Star Wars 1-6 was always intended to be the story of Anakin. He was the one who was supposed to bring balance to the Force, and he did, by destroying Palpatine. Luke might have brought brought the good out of him, but when he killed the Emperor, he redeemed himself and destroyed the Sith, as was his destiny.

Again, I know it's hard because we all grew up loving the OT, and most of us try and ignore the PT, but Anakin is the main character of Star Wars.

No. Not even if you glue hundreds of comic books, novels, and toys to the films. What was shown on screen was the story of Luke. The story was told from his perspective and Vader was an appendage to Luke's arc and character progression. To say the entire saga was about Anakin is ill informed, and disingenuous. To be frank, it's really playing some really tricky mental gymnastics to get there.

 

[TaliBane]

While you make good points, remember, the OT was released as episodes 4,5, and 6...

No, "A New Hope" and all that Episode stuff was added further in - after Empire was finishing shooting. Star Wars had no "New Hope" or Episode # at all in 1977 and Empire was "Star Wars II" while filming and in post.

And the idea that Lucas had an actual resolved, detailed story for all three trilogies (and he just so happened to start with the middle trilogy) in that 1970's era has been proven to be silly Lucasfilm propaganda. And it was never Anakin's story - even very early drafts were focused on the heroes, even if those heroes were different from the ones who ended up onscreen.

Lucas was just thinking of cash at the point that all these episode things came in - and was also beginning to believe all the "genius" stuff that was being heaped on him by the likes of Joseph Campbell.

In the final analysis, once all the dust has settled in a couple of decades, SW will be known as three films - the OT. Not a saga of nine films and spinoffs. Lucasfilm has tried for 15 years to push the "episodes 1-6" thing and people just didn't buy it, including Disney.

 

[Wor-Gar]

While you make good points, remember, the OT was released as episodes 4,5, and 6...meaning there was a backstory to those movies that hadn't been filmed. I remember when I was a kid in the 90s collecting Star Wars toys and the cards with the background on the figures even explained how Obi-Wan knocked Anakin Skywalker into a lava pit and turned him into a cyborg. The story was there...it just wasn't put on screen. It's hard to acknowledge because the PT (minus Revenge of the Sith, which was quite good in my opinion) was utter crap, but Star Wars 1-6 was always intended to be the story of Anakin. He was the one who was supposed to bring balance to the Force, and he did, by destroying Palpatine. Luke might have brought brought the good out of him, but when he killed the Emperor, he redeemed himself and destroyed the Sith, as was his destiny.

Again, I know it's hard because we all grew up loving the OT, and most of us try and ignore the PT, but Anakin is the main character of Star Wars.

I knew that lava pit story after ANH first came out in '77, it was out there from the beginning -- as backstory. That doesn't make it the narrative. I'm not being a know-it-all (because I'm far from it), just saying.

There was also a plan for 7-9... but that doesn't carry the Anakin storyline. So Lucas' master plan of 1-9 then would NOT be the Story of Anakin. It would be the Story of the Skywalkers. Of which it certainly is.

 

[JCFETT]

all this talk about the full story just reminds me how good it could've been if the whole CGI craze wasn't going on when the prequels came out. The prequels REALLY could've been a special continuation to the original story. All the content and recipe was there. Too bad. I mean, it could've never been classic.. because it's just impossible to remake that kind of magic, but it could've been much MUCH more than the doodoo stain that it is now.

 

[JCFETT]

In the final analysis, once all the dust has settled in a couple of decades, SW will be known as three films - the OT. Not a saga of nine films and spinoffs. Lucasfilm has tried for 15 years to push the "episodes 1-6" thing and people just didn't buy it, including Disney.

Tali, I love you man. *wipes away tear*

 

[The Mike]

The latest trailer looks fantastic. Jyn is a must but Alan Tudyk's droid I love and want above all. This one is going to be interesting to watch in terms of offerings.

 

[Jaycepticon]

Just a Tank, Shore, and DeathTroopers for me still. And Krennic as well but I doubt we'd see him made anytime soon.

 

[TaliBane]

The movie is looking and feeling more and more like a Star Wars TV series, but hopefully it unleashes even more HT OT troops.

 

[Mara]

I wonder if we will see that droid in a two pick with Jyn.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Looks like it could be a fun ride but hopefully they take it easy with the rocket launchers and karate.

 

[JCFETT]

The movie is looking and feeling more and more like a Star Wars TV series, but hopefully it unleashes even more HT OT troops.

I would be totally down for a TV series like this. Maybe that's what they should've done. you can get so much more out of a season of awesome episodes than just a highly compact dense two hour movie. Think of how sick a series would be about Rogue Squadron!

 

[TonTon]

Looks like it could be a fun ride but hopefully they take it easy with the rocket launchers and karate.

When I first heard the name Rogue One, I have to say I imagined something completely different. It does look interesting though, the idea of Luna being a recruiter of characters to help on the mission actually makes me think of the Seven Samurai and Reservoir Dogs to a degree, and explains the seemingly randomness of the group.

 

[matticus]

When I first heard the name Rogue One, I have to say I imagined something completely different. It does look interesting though, the idea of Luna being a recruiter of characters to help on the mission actually makes me think of the Seven Samurai and Reservoir Dogs to a degree, and explains the seemingly randomness of the group.

Check out the Dark Forces game. Just a rip off of Kyle Katarn stealing the Death Star plans, but instead of a male lead, they took the Jan Ors character and put in Jyn Erso as the lead. Why not just use those characters? Weak Kathleen Kennedy, weak!

 

[TaliBane]

I would be totally down for a TV series like this. Maybe that's what they should've done. you can get so much more out of a season of awesome episodes than just a highly compact dense two hour movie. Think of how sick a series would be about Rogue Squadron!

The title's a bit confusing - this seems to have nothing to do with Rogue Squadron. In that I presume "rogue one" would be Luke as rogue leader (and I think it was Zev who was rogue two) so it's doubly mystifying why they went with that title.

The characters/actors (none really stand out as "wow",) limited feeling story, kinda-seen-it-before action (e.g. battle of Hoth on the beach) and somewhat budgetary locations (tube station as Death Star or whatever it is) is what feels TV to me.

If this was a teaser for a new series, I'd be into it more (and forgive it more,) but as a movie it feels a bit lackluster. The Marvel "between/spin-off" movies really became major events in and of themselves - the more I see of this movie, the more it just feels like content filler between VII and VIII.

 

[slikkerias]

...I see very few aliens in the trailer and none in the group. All humans - and a robot. That's a shame... Well, a lot of bothans will die I guess. I know that all the rebels in ANH seemed to be human - except Chewie - but still.
Otherwise it looks at least interesting.

 

[guy66657]

I believe there's one alien in the team but bothans died for the 2nd Death Star, not the first.

 

[slikkerias]

I believe there's one alien in the team but bothans died for the 2nd Death Star, not the first.

Ahhh yes of course, true. The second one that was.

 

[TaliBane]

...I see very few aliens in the trailer and none in the group. All humans - and a robot. That's a shame... Well, a lot of bothans will die I guess. I know that all the rebels in ANH seemed to be human - except Chewie - but still.
Otherwise it looks at least interesting.

There's that Rocket Raccoon guy.

The "Iron Giant" robot looks like a background character and again, we have the PT problem - why is every other robot that follows it in the OT slow moving and more primitive looking like 3PO or Death Star Droid, or IG-88 or EV-9D9, or Power Droid or R2 or R5... and yet before the OT, we have this more refined looking robot that can sprint.

I believe there's one alien in the team but bothans died for the 2nd Death Star, not the first.

I think he was doing a dig at Mon Mothma, who's seen in RO but I guess sat out the battle of the first Death Star for some reason - then returned for the second.

 

[darth toffeeman]

I guess the Death Star Gunner and Commander are Rogue One figures rather than ANH. You can Clearly see the Gunner in the new trailer during an explosion.
I cannot wait to see this film!