1/6 Speculation: Star Wars Episode IX Figures

[darth toffeeman]

Yep, so just give me Poe in X-Wing flightsuit and I'll call it a day. If not, I'll probably try to sell the lot further down the road somehow.

I don't think I will sell mine as I would be annoyed if I didn't at least break even on most.

They are there as a reminder to not get carried away with hype.

Regarding TROS, that was just a get it done film.
We will see hardly any merchandise from it.

Disney know they made a hash in the eyes of the majority of fans.

Release more OT, RO and Mando stuff.
Plus the odd prequel character like Padme and Mace, and I will be happy.

 

[Malgus]

I really enjoyed TROS (especially after the novel) and the ST as a whole. I really want a Snoke with Throne, Super Emperor, Dark Rey, Ben Solo, General Hux, and Final Rey with her yellow saber. I hope HT get to these releases soon (along with more PT - Mace and Palps)! There are a lot of ST fans here too.

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A Hux is what I have been waiting for.

 

[DioramaMaker]

If anything more comes out of this movie, we might get a convention Ben Solo because there would be so much reuse in it, it'd be easy to run alongside the normal one in production.

I believe that Poe deserves a flight suit figure finally, for those who are dedicated to their ST collection. But at this point I just don't see it happening. If it doesn't happen soon-ish, I doubt it will. In an uncontroversial way, I don't think the ST has the staying power that the OT or even the PT has had, and that'll nuke merch.

I will be interested to see how kids who saw these at their pivotal ages (5-10ish) will respond to the ST down the road. I know I look more favorably upon the PT because of this, though I already liked SW as I'd seen the OT plenty before that. But the PT (especially around ATOC) was my big dive into SW merch as a kid. And I'm thrilled with the PT Hot Toys offerings as a result.

I don't entirely blame HT though. The entire merchandise push for the sequel trilogy has been wacky as can be. From too much to too little, the broad appeal of SW product just isn't like it was (I think back to the ROTS launch notably, with all those egg blister packages ready to go).

 

[Supes78/Bats89]

I'm another one who just wants a flightsuit Poe. Just my opinion, but he's the only one of the new characters who reminds me of the spirit of the OT. The only ST Hot Toys figures I have are the old f@rt versions of Leia, Han, and Luke. So yeah, give me a Poe and I'm done with Disney/ Kennedy Wars, then nothing but OT for me.

Someone earlier mentioned kids now seeing ST when they're five or ten years old. On May 26, 1977, for my fifth birthday, my aunt took me to see some just released space movie called "Star Wars" (not "Episode V: A New Hope", just "Star Wars"). I had seen a commercial on TV for it and it looked good. Some little woman with what looked like cinnamon buns on the sides of her head telling somebody to get a walking carpet out of her way. It also had robots and spaceships, so I wanted to see it. It was also the first live-action movie I saw in theatre. I wanted every character, ship, and location I saw in that movie as a toy. Of course, I had to wait a year. Forty-three years later, that movie and it's two sequels are still three of my most loved movies and I still collect figures and other memorabilia from them. (I like the PT fine, but I understandably don't feel the same emotional connection to them.) I honestly can't imagine kids at five years old today seeing any of the ST movies and having the same feelings I have for the OT forty-three years from now; the same nostalgia and desire to collect figures or anything else from them. Maybe that will change and the ST will have a resurgence of interest like the PT have, but right now I don't see it. Hell, they don't seem to have any interest now.

 

[DakRen]

While I don't think TLJ/Rian Johnson did Finn any favors, I don't understand why so many give TFA a pass.

Finn was a nothing burger and a dead end character from the jump, right in TFA.

He had a backstory they had no intention of dealing with in any realistic way. His characterization never makes any damn sense, nor does the idea of Stormtroopers being brainwashed children lead anywhere of value.

Finn decides he doesn't want to kill for the First Order because he watches a trooper die - then immediately while escaping with Poe is whooping it up while killing more troopers - brainwashed children like him.

Because JJ Abrams liked the "friendly chemistry" between Rey and Finn, he goes the route of making Finn "likable and funny" and takes away any conflict between Rey and Finn, and he becomes a less competent sidekick to her.

By the end of TFA it is absolutely clear that the story is ALL about Rey and Kylo, and Finn was just a marketing technique to hide the not-so-hidden Rey.


To bring this back around to figures, you can even see the dead end reality of the Finn character with HT - they never made another one after TFA.

They never did much with Finn and we know all the wasted potential of the ST and characters but I think it?s silly to say Finn being excited killing stormtroopers doesn?t make sense. Yes, he was brainwashed and received lots of training, perhaps killing masked troops didn?t elicit the same visceral reaction as before. It could also be due to being excited about leaving the FO.

Another strange thing to consider is that Luke was having fun in the Death Star only hours from seeing his aunt and uncle brutally burned. They are literally never mentioned again. Likewise Leia after Alderaan being destroyed never talks about it again on screen after spending barely any time to mourn properly. It?s silly honestly to over analyze any SW film because if you?re looking for faults or illogical parts they are there to fixate on and you won?t enjoy the movie. Often the potential issues are ignored because the OT is cherished. It certainly makes it easier to ignore issues when you enjoy the movie immensely. On the other hand if you dislike more about a movie or are bored you will see more of the glaring issues.

 

[heon123]

They never did much with Finn and we know all the wasted potential of the ST and characters but I think it?s silly to say Finn being excited killing stormtroopers doesn?t make sense. Yes, he was brainwashed and received lots of training, perhaps killing masked troops didn?t elicit the same visceral reaction as before. It could also be due to being excited about leaving the FO.

Another strange thing to consider is that Luke was having fun in the Death Star only hours from seeing his aunt and uncle brutally burned. They are literally never mentioned again. Likewise Leia after Alderaan being destroyed never talks about it again on screen after spending barely any time to mourn properly. It?s silly honestly to over analyze any SW film because if you?re looking for faults or illogical parts they are there to fixate on and you won?t enjoy the movie. Often it he potential issues are ignored because the OT is cherished. It certainly makes it easier to ignore issues when you enjoy the movie immensely. On the other hand if you dislike more about a movie or are bored you will see more of the glaring issues.

You must've not have got the memo that the ST is held to a much double-standard than other trilogies.

 

[TaliBane]

They never did much with Finn and we know all the wasted potential of the ST and characters but I think it?s silly to say Finn being excited killing stormtroopers doesn?t make sense. Yes, he was brainwashed and received lots of training, perhaps killing masked troops didn?t elicit the same visceral reaction as before. It could also be due to being excited about leaving the FO.

Another strange thing to consider is that Luke was having fun in the Death Star only hours from seeing his aunt and uncle brutally burned. They are literally never mentioned again. Likewise Leia after Alderaan being destroyed never talks about it again on screen after spending barely any time to mourn properly. It?s silly honestly to over analyze any SW film because if you?re looking for faults or illogical parts they are there to fixate on and you won?t enjoy the movie. Often the potential issues are ignored because the OT is cherished. It certainly makes it easier to ignore issues when you enjoy the movie immensely. On the other hand if you dislike more about a movie or are bored you will see more of the glaring issues.

After he removes his helmet, there is not ONE SECOND of screentime in the entire ST that I believed (or even remembered) that Finn was a stormtrooper.

We're told/shown it when we first meet him, then it's forgotten by everyone - including him - the minute the helmet comes off. I mean why would other characters give it any thought, right... he was only an ENEMY SOLDIER... like YESTERDAY. But there is not a thing he says or does that suggests this golly-gosh, happy-go-lucky doofus was a trained killer from childhood.

And omg - they had to make him a Julia-Roberts-from-Pretty-Woman stormtrooper... someone who changes their trajectory JUST before their first night of business. A virgin massacrer-of-innocents.

Talk about taking an incredibly interesting idea, that could have created SO much story tension, character growth and conflict with others (all sorely lacking in the ST) - and instantly flushing it down the toilet. Just a stunningly bizarre decision.

And... surprise-surprise, nobody wants a figure of him. Nothing since TFA, and I routinely see that first version for close to $100.

 

[darth toffeeman]

They never did much with Finn and we know all the wasted potential of the ST and characters but I think it?s silly to say Finn being excited killing stormtroopers doesn?t make sense. Yes, he was brainwashed and received lots of training, perhaps killing masked troops didn?t elicit the same visceral reaction as before. It could also be due to being excited about leaving the FO.

Another strange thing to consider is that Luke was having fun in the Death Star only hours from seeing his aunt and uncle brutally burned. They are literally never mentioned again. Likewise Leia after Alderaan being destroyed never talks about it again on screen after spending barely any time to mourn properly. It?s silly honestly to over analyze any SW film because if you?re looking for faults or illogical parts they are there to fixate on and you won?t enjoy the movie. Often the potential issues are ignored because the OT is cherished. It certainly makes it easier to ignore issues when you enjoy the movie immensely. On the other hand if you dislike more about a movie or are bored you will see more of the glaring issues.

I always had similar issues with the lack of remorse, though the story was based on the saturday matinees of the Flash Gordon era, so had element element of fun first, over the top peril about them.

Luke focuses and grows up quickly.
Leia leads the rebellion.

I find it difficult to pick holes in the Empire Strikes Back. That is not just the best Star Wars film, but the best film period.

 

[TaliBane]

I always had similar issues with the lack of remorse, though the story was based on the saturday matinees of the Flash Gordon era, so had element element of fun first, over the top peril about them.

Luke focuses and grows up quickly.
Leia leads the rebellion.

I find it difficult to pick holes in the Empire Strikes Back. That is not just the best Star Wars film, but the best film period.

Yeah, the other thing is that you really don't get a sense that Luke is in any way close to his Uncle and Aunt - his Uncle especially is a uncaring, harsh a-hole to Luke. Yeah, he sees their bodies toasted but he lives on a planet where people are "fried" at the local Cantina every Friday night and raiders roam the countryside outside your farm ready to club you to death, not to mention Imperials that fry/massacre enough people that they cover up their handy work. Luke's life is a super dangerous frontier existence where death is frequent and casually dealt with.

And with Leia, yeah it's quite a stretch but I always saw it as dogged, hard-boiled commitment to a long, ongoing, brutal war - where people like Queen Elizabeth would tour bombed out London streets where dozens of people including kids had been killed hours before but she took it in her stride without showing much. Or Churchill coolly discussing the loss of 100k soldiers on a front or the massacre of 25k civilians in some town. Because they were aspirational figureheads and a world war was going on. And while a planet being wiped out is beyond comprehension to us, it's well within the realm of possibility in the SW universe.

While neither of these explanations fully covers how they can joke or flirt etc, I just see it as a worst-of-WWII type world, where death (your own included) and mass destruction were so "just around the corner" it is different to how our world functions.

 

[davejames]

I'm another one who just wants a flightsuit Poe. Just my opinion, but he's the only one of the new characters who reminds me of the spirit of the OT. The only ST Hot Toys figures I have are the old f@rt versions of Leia, Han, and Luke. So yeah, give me a Poe and I'm done with Disney/ Kennedy Wars, then nothing but OT for me.

Someone earlier mentioned kids now seeing ST when they're five or ten years old. On May 26, 1977, for my fifth birthday, my aunt took me to see some just released space movie called "Star Wars" (not "Episode V: A New Hope", just "Star Wars"). I had seen a commercial on TV for it and it looked good. Some little woman with what looked like cinnamon buns on the sides of her head telling somebody to get a walking carpet out of her way. It also had robots and spaceships, so I wanted to see it. It was also the first live-action movie I saw in theatre. I wanted every character, ship, and location I saw in that movie as a toy. Of course, I had to wait a year. Forty-three years later, that movie and it's two sequels are still three of my most loved movies and I still collect figures and other memorabilia from them. (I like the PT fine, but I understandably don't feel the same emotional connection to them.) I honestly can't imagine kids at five years old today seeing any of the ST movies and having the same feelings I have for the OT forty-three years from now; the same nostalgia and desire to collect figures or anything else from them. Maybe that will change and the ST will have a resurgence of interest like the PT have, but right now I don't see it. Hell, they don't seem to have any interest now.

Well to be fair, kids today have been spoiled far more than we ever were with amazing, CG-heavy fantasy movies like Harry Potter and the Marvel movies, so the ST was always going to have a hard time standing out to them in the same way the OT did with us. And even 20 years ago there weren't a whole lot of movies out there like the PT.

But if for nothing else, I still think these new movies will be remembered for Rey and what an inspiring character that was for girls. And Ridley's performance is also what makes them stand out for me as well, and is what will make them most worth rewatching. And I'll certainly be watching these movies more often in the future than the prequels, so thank god there's another option besides that now.

 

[che5ter666]

It?s a shame that this thread has more ?bashing? than not.
I don?t hate the ST, I grew up with the OT then the PT so do prefer them but don?t hate the ST (apart from TLJ). Saying that, I still would like figures from this line. I echo many others in wanting a Poe in flight suit. I want an ultimate Palps (regardless whether people disagree about him in the movie or it was an underwhelming finale, he looks bad ass as hell once he?s drained the life from Rey and Kylo), I want an updated Finn with new hair and outfit and updated Rey with new lightsaber and the Skywalker sabers. Maybe even a battle damage head. Maybe a Chewie in Episode 9 packaging because I?m not paying eBay prices for him.

I could go into detail about my wants for the OT and PT but this is a speculation thread for the ST.


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[Wor-Gar]

Well to be fair, kids today have been spoiled far more than we ever were with amazing, CG-heavy fantasy movies like Harry Potter and the Marvel movies, so the ST was always going to have a hard time standing out to them in the same way the OT did with us. And even 20 years ago there weren't a whole lot of movies out there like the PT.

This is true.

And absence makes the heart grow fonder. Perhaps this terrible virus will give us all a break from the MCU. Or perhaps after this experience, men in capes will seem a little silly as heroes.

 

[Malgus]

It?s a shame that this thread has more ?bashing? than not.
I don?t hate the ST, I grew up with the OT then the PT so do prefer them but don?t hate the ST (apart from TLJ). Saying that, I still would like figures from this line. I echo many others in wanting a Poe in flight suit. I want an ultimate Palps (regardless whether people disagree about him in the movie or it was an underwhelming finale, he looks bad ass as hell once he?s drained the life from Rey and Kylo), I want an updated Finn with new hair and outfit and updated Rey with new lightsaber and the Skywalker sabers. Maybe even a battle damage head. Maybe a Chewie in Episode 9 packaging because I?m not paying eBay prices for him.

I could go into detail about my wants for the OT and PT but this is a speculation thread for the ST.


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Every ST thread brings out the old trolls. I am never seen such effort put into claiming what current young kids will feel in 30 years. Its completely irrelevant to this thread and those people presuming to know what young people think in 30 years will probably be to old to notice then.

 

[hen88]

Every ST thread brings out the old trolls. I am never seen such effort put into claiming what current young kids will feel in 30 years. Its completely irrelevant to this thread and those people presuming to know what young people think in 30 years will probably be to old to notice then.

On another note, I have faith that they will eventually release the following figures from the ST:

1. Poe (probably with the flight suit)
2. Ben Solo
3. Rey (Darkside version)

It's kind of silly to assume that Hot Toys is done with the ST. It's only been 4 months since TROS was released. Crait Luke came out 10 months after TLJ, and Krennic was released 3 years after Rogue One premiered.

 

[Sithblade]

People can dislike the ST without been trolls, on the whole most are disappointed they don't like it and aren't having digs at those who do like the ST.
I purchased Rey, Kylo and Luke from TFA and think they're great shelf presence figures.
I'll stick to the Episode 1-6 figures from now on, at least it saves me some money.

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[TaliBane]

Every ST thread brings out the old trolls. I am never seen such effort put into claiming what current young kids will feel in 30 years. Its completely irrelevant to this thread and those people presuming to know what young people think in 30 years will probably be to old to notice then.

While the OT was majority a kids/youth audience all the way through, the audience profile for Disney SW is totally different than the OT was - the majority are males over 25, with several releases having an average age of over 35, not "young kids."

And I'd argue that a large percentage of kids that do attend Disney SW films are taken by an older longtime fan parent seeing it for themselves.

Despite aspirational media hype about a "new generation of fans" and a more even male/female audience split (or perhaps even majority female due to Rey as female lead, as Hunger Games was) that is not what happened.

The toys of the OT era were overwhelmingly consumed by kids, whereas a large percentage (arguably the majority) of what was produced in the ST era was designed for adult collectors, even the action figures.

In 30 years the most common audience member for Disney SW will be in the 55 to 70 range.

 

[davejames]

Well who knows, maybe the next trilogy will be received even more poorly by fans, in which case everyone suddenly starts looking back at the ST a lot more fondly.

 

[TaliBane]

Well who knows, maybe the next trilogy will be received even more poorly by fans, in which case everyone suddenly starts looking back at the ST a lot more fondly.

It'll be the same old fans - now in their 60s and 70s - bitterly dividing retirement communities, turning events into shouting matches, even as they overload Fandango for midnight opening night tickets (half can barely make it to 9pm, let alone midnight.) Meanwhile, the media will be earnestly discussing how the new trilogy's gay Jedi lead and their trans nemesis will be driving a massive new generation of SW fans... despite the same old farts now buying 80% of the tickets.

 

[pug205]

It?s a shame that this thread has more ?bashing? than not.
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I wouldn't say there is any real ST bashing going on here. This is extremely civil for a SW chat about the ST and the viability of it's toyline.

If this is considered bashing I highly recommend staying out of the TV and Movie section - that is were the real petty and ugly stuff occurs

 

[dukefett]

While the OT was majority a kids/youth audience all the way through, the audience profile for Disney SW is totally different than the OT was - the majority are males over 25, with several releases having an average age of over 35, not "young kids."

And I'd argue that a large percentage of kids that do attend Disney SW films are taken by an older longtime fan parent seeing it for themselves.

Despite aspirational media hype about a "new generation of fans" and a more even male/female audience split (or perhaps even majority female due to Rey as female lead, as Hunger Games was) that is not what happened.

The toys of the OT era were overwhelmingly consumed by kids, whereas a large percentage (arguably the majority) of what was produced in the ST era was designed for adult collectors, even the action figures.

In 30 years the most common audience member for Disney SW will be in the 55 to 70 range.

I really don't know anyone with kids in the age range, but I don't really see it happening the same way there's a crap ton of young adults who are giant prequel fans because they grew up with it. Kids are inundated over and over with so much different media, I don't know if this trilogy to kids resonated enough to create a mass of fans. Like you said I think the vast majority of kids who went to see these movies were brought by their parents and not the other way around.

I don't mean it as a slight to TLJ, but I just don't see how a 10-12 year old would be clamoring for RoS after the ending.

If anything though, I think Disney+ will be the way kids get into it through having the cartoons and all the movies completely available. When I was in middle school in the 90's I remember one summer where I re-watched the OT almost every day that summer. I could see kids getting into it that way.