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[averone]

Re: Rogue

I'd like to see SS get their paint apps up to Hot Toys quality. 1/4 statues provide a way bigger canvas to showcase detail in not only sculpt, but paint as well. Bucky, Cyclops Ex, and Rogue have all had terrible paint apps compared to what Hot Toys pumps out on a smaller scale. And I don't think that's quite as apples-to-oranges as some might point out.

Everything should be put on hold until they can emulate the German Paratrooper paint app quality on all their products

HT is so different, it is a totally different paint application/process!
Its like hard plastic vs. resin.

The tech and work to put up the paint on is totally different.

The German Paratrooper is new tech, yet it did not sell as well as expected, so we will not know if it will be implemented till later on

 

[CollectorNC]

Re: Rogue

And they are opening and examining them, if you ask you will see that there is new tape around the styro
We are seeing better ones in the hands of collectors

I think there's been 1-2 posted with pics. Hopefully that is the case.

 

[JosephCPR]

Re: Rogue

Ok, I have finally received my Rogue PF and can comment, first person, on what I think about this piece:

The prints are awesome. It seems we all know that but almost nobody mentions it. Love the paper the used, the size...good job there.

Now, I have mixed feelings about the statue itself. On the one hand, my EX head looks good although I think they could have done a better job with the paint apps. They eyes look straight upwards and I really think they look cool. BUT, on the other hand, the lips on my piece look a little weird TBH (I'll try to post pics once I have sent them to Sideshow). They bother me more and more every time I see them.

And that leads us to the worse problem with this piece. I could have settled for that "flaw" in the EX head if it wasn't for the regular portrait. The sculpt looks very nice. Not elongated or anything of that sort as has been suggested. It is just what we were shown. The paint, on the other hand, is a total disaster. Sorry, but that is just the way it is. It looks very much like one of the last pics posted (One eye looking to the left, the other one looking upwards). Horrible.

Moreover, the eye shadows are completely different (there is a bigger amount on one eye than on the other) As I said, terrible paint job on the regular head.

I'll certainly try to get a replacement for the regular head, and see what I can do with the EX, because if I am told to detroy it before they ship another to me, the truth is that I wouldn't want to risk to get a worse one. We'll see.

 

[KBA]

Re: Rogue

HT is so different, it is a totally different paint application/process!
Its like hard plastic vs. resin.

The tech and work to put up the paint on is totally different.

The German Paratrooper is new tech, yet it did not sell as well as expected, so we will not know if it will be implemented till later on

Like I said, the German Paratrooper (done by SS, on non-plastic) proves it isn't as apples-to-oranges as people are going to point out.

And that last part is border line intelligence insulting. SS is run by monkeys if they're hanging the success or failure of great new tech on how well a German Paratrooper statue sells

 

[averone]

Re: Rogue

Ya seeing better ones but still no where near what was we thought we were buying. Eyes are looking straight and not up to the left like it was shown on the pre order screen when i hit buy it now.

Better but still poor looking then what we should have been sent doesnt make it good quality.

I think the expected shown statue is different than what was delivered.
The sculpt change and the eyes position cannot be changed.
These changes are not due to quality of the paint, that is another matter.

I think at this point we either have to accept it or just move on to the next sculpt. Therefore, I am not sure what else they can do but to refund the money to those who are not happy.
The best thing to do is not let it happen again.

 

[bonebreak2000]

Re: Rogue

And they are opening and examining them, if you ask you will see that there is new tape around the styro
We are seeing better ones in the hands of collectors

This is based on someone having a lot of tape on the foam. I asked the CS rep and he didnt say they were doing this. Have you talked to SS and they told you they are doing this for each one they send out now??

Also I have yet to see any of these "good ones" post close up pics and even from far away they sure dont match the box art even. I'll give you that some of these pictures look better but what does that mean? Is it still isnt what what we expected from the SS name or the pictures on the site.

 

[averone]

Re: Rogue

Like I said, the German Paratrooper (done by SS, on non-plastic) proves it isn't as apples-to-oranges as people are going to point out.

And that last part is border line intelligence insulting. SS is run by monkeys if they're hanging the success or failure of great new tech on how well a German Paratrooper statue sells

They are not!
I merely was saying that issues of production may be the cause of the delays, as it is over a year sine SS was shown. It was not because of lack of sales!!!

SS is always improving their ideas and tech, I think we are only seeing the very beginning of things to come!

 

[bonebreak2000]

Re: Rogue

I think at this point we either have to accept it or just move on to the next sculpt. Therefore, I am not sure what else they can do but to refund the money to those who are not happy.
The best thing to do is not let it happen again.

I disagree completely. The only thing we can do now is wait to find out what will be done. SS has a chance to make this right. The CS rep I spoke with said they are getting things together there to make a decision on what will be done. Im sure they are taking time to figure out how many people are upset about this based on the number of packages that have arrived. I think its safe to say we are all hoping there we get a replacement that is closer to the box. Now, I think the people upset about the backside... well that isnt gonna change I doubt. But the paint.. who knows. We have to wait and see. All of us were told to wait 5-7 days.

 

[Vince-Vell]

Re: Rogue

I think the expected shown statue is different than what was delivered.
The sculpt change and the eyes position cannot be changed.
These changes are not due to quality of the paint, that is another matter.

I think at this point we either have to accept it or just move on to the next sculpt. Therefore, I am not sure what else they can do but to refund the money to those who are not happy.
The best thing to do is not let it happen again.

Sorry cant agree with "moving on" for a $300 and not getting what was promised.

Would you "move on" if you bought a $20k Subaru Royal Blue Impreza and got a mint green one?

Would you "Move on" if you purchased a $300 black iPod with OS4, and recived a white iPod with OS3?

They are a company like every other company out there, you screw your customers either make it right or lose them.

So if ARH started to send out items with cross eyes, but a select few were "OK" you are gonna tell your customers to just "move on" and wait for the next sculpt? if so dont think you will have a lot of customers left.

just how i view this whole debacle.

 

[averone]

Re: Rogue

This is based on someone having a lot of tape on the foam. I asked the CS rep and he didnt say they were doing this. Have you talked to SS and they told you they are doing this for each one they send out now??

Also I have yet to see any of these "good ones" post close up pics and even from far away they sure dont match the box art even. I'll give you that some of these pictures look better but what does that mean? Is it still isnt what what we expected from the SS name or the pictures on the site.

I only asked a few friends that got theirs, but I am not %100 as I have not contacted SS either. It would be interesting to see the next few that come in.

Honestly "good ones" are not going to be the match to the pics on the box, they are just going to have better quality paint jobs

 

[CollectorNC]

Re: Rogue

Its false advertising because they displayed photos of the prototype on the website and carefully hid the changes in the sculpt from consumers (ex: no photos of her backside) for fear of collectors cancelling their orders. Those are deceptive marketing tactics. Also, the fact that they actually put SS' "seal of quality control approved" on these messed up statues makes consumers lose confidence in SS claim of "stringent" QC tests.

 

[KBA]

Re: Rogue

I merely was saying that issues of production may be the cause of the delays, as it is over a year sine SS was shown. It was not because of lack of sales!!!

The German Paratrooper is new tech, yet it did not sell as well as expected, so we will not know if it will be implemented till later on

But also it's a polystone canvas which can only look so real depending on the paint. It seems the most average HT 1/6th looks more detailed than any PF.

Whatever SS has done to create this needs to be spread across all their products

 

[averone]

Re: Rogue

Sorry cant agree with "moving on" for a $300 and not getting what was promised.

Would you "move on" if you bought a $20k Subaru Royal Blue Impreza and got a mint green one?

Would you "Move on" if you purchased a $300 black iPod with OS4, and recived a white iPod with OS3?

They are a company like every other company out there, you screw your customers either make it right or lose them.

So if ARH started to send out items with cross eyes, but a select few were "OK" you are gonna tell your customers to just "move on" and wait for the next sculpt? if so dont think you will have a lot of customers left.

just how i view this whole debacle.

I certainly would go and complain and get my money back!

I have accepted these changes and will be keeping my Rogue, yes the quality of the paint could have been better, but the sculpt is very good.
I certainly understand your frustrations.

As far as ARH, we would do everything to please our customers!
One of the reasons we love Sideshow is that we know their/our customers will be taken care of until they are %100 satisfied.
We feel very comfortable and happy that they are selling our statues for us, as this is what we would like for our customers.

 

[averone]

Re: Rogue

Whatever SS has done to create this needs to be spread across all their products

I am sure it will, they are perfecting it.

Everything this good and revolutionary needs time

 

[KBA]

Re: Rogue

I am sure it will, they are perfecting it.

Everything this good and revolutionary needs time

Fingers crossed it becomes standard sooner than later. I won't be preordering any products from SS. Going to wait for in-hand pics of anything I'm interested in before deciding to buy or not until SS earns back my trust.

 

[averone]

Re: Rogue

Sorry Alex but with that kind of mentality..SS QC will deteriorate further and soon this is the kind of product they'll offer while the price continues to spike...

LOL!!

That is a far exaggeration!!

I think if you want perfection, you have to get someone like John here to do a kick butt custom paint job for you. But what people dont want to do is pay the cost associated with that! Most of the custom work/paint jobs are $1K plus!

Now I am not saying we should get crap for the $300.00 but to expect a perfect statue is just not going to happen. Am I right?

Costs are going up and our expectations are going even higher. As a collector I totally get that, but you got to also know that what you are buying here is a mass produced collectable and not a one of or a custom paint job.

Now all that stuff about false advertisement as things, is not for me to comment as I am perfectly happy with the changes to the rear. The eyes placement is a little off but mine wasnt bad enough to warrant a return

Right now after a few days of having her in my X-man collection,
I only can blame the factory for sub par paint work!

 

[averone]

Re: Rogue

Fingers crossed it becomes standard sooner than later. I won't be preordering any products from SS. Going to wait for in-hand pics of anything I'm interested in before deciding to buy or not until SS earns back my trust.

I like your thinking!!

But more than once when I decide to wait, I missed the EX "grails" and ended up paying more for them!!
So its sometimes a hit and miss, I still order them as soon as I can.

That is why I am on the lucky 100 to get the SS paratrooper!
(Its more because I am a big WWII collector than the tech)
I cannot wait to see the quality of his skin etc.

 

[xYx]

Re: Rogue

I still don't see why people are complaining regarding the "behind" of Rogue being resculpted. What I see is the crack being filled in with paint, which are the same issues with Scarlet Witch's cleavage.

The only thing that Sideshow can be blamed for in my own opinion is not having quality control over this product.

Also Skiman already mentioned this but seeing as where this discussion keeps going. People who haven't ordered or don't really have no interest in this particular product in the 1st place. You DO have the right to voice your opinion but if you would just continue throwing fuel to the fire that's already burning out of control, please just move the ____ on.

 

[Jen]

Re: Rogue

Sorry Alex but with that kind of mentality..SS QC will deteriorate further and soon this is the kind of product they'll offer while the price continues to spike...

Really? Now we are being a bit over dramatic.

Tell me when has Sideshow ever left their customers hanging and not offered resolutions? No one at Sideshow is telling anyone to just move on or saying that it's not that bad and to deal with it. They offer 100% customer satisfaction.

I think the question is how many of these are messed up. Do they need to start again from scratch with new heads or figure out something else? if you are not happy with your piece - let them know. They will take care of you. As I mentioned earlier...you know you will at least get your money back but hopefully you will also have other options.

 

[Scarver]

Re: Rogue

I am perfectly happy with the changes to the rear.