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[karamazov80]

Re: Rogue

Ill make it very simple to you

Refund for international customers means

Refund from Sideshow + NRD - 8% anyways currency exchange rate fees.

Its not a 100% refund. You still are out of pocket at least 8%. On top of that you are out of the INTEREST on your 10% NRD that SSC had for 9 MONTHS INTEREST FREE.

OK, to put it in more generic terms: (X + Y) - 8% = Z

How does your paying for Y earlier or later play any role in that equation? You pay the same amount and receive the same amount back, barring customs charges, bank fees, currency conversion fees, etc. Are you talking about currency depreciation over the course of a few months?

As for losing interest, you aren't loaning the money to Sideshow so they can invest it. You're just paying a percentage up-front to ensure that you don't back out of your agreement to pay. It's essentially an insurance charge. Why would they pay you interest of some kind? Are you saying you would otherwise invest this $30 somewhere and receive a return?

 

[Sebastian]

Re: Rogue

a dollar 9 months ago is not the same as a dollar today, especially since inflation for the year was 3.7%.

If the defect was because of them misrepresenting material information, then why (under good faith) am I the one that should be penalized for their shoddy product?

Theres no ifs ands or buts, its NOT 100% refund.. since they absolve themselves of any further liability.. even though it can be argued that they intentionally withheld material facts about the final product. MOST people would've reconsidered going thru the whole investment process (becauses thats what it is) had they have known that she looked like a transvestite.

Im not arguing this point any further, I am right and thats all that matters to me.

 

[Vince-Vell]

Re: Rogue

WOW so SS more or less is blaming it on marvel with why they didn't tell any of us that the sculpt was changed. Its still their product they were selling to us, not marvel, so they should have sent out a mass email showing and telling us the changes and have a option to back out.

So thats a "way out" for them?

If they did this once, they will just do it again.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Rogue

What you say is true, as inflation does occur at roughly 3% per year for most currencies. So at $30 that's roughly 90 cents over the course of a year. As such, for, say, a $350 statue (including shipping) I guess you are losing approximately 0.3% of what you paid

 

[Sebastian]

Re: Rogue

banks also charge 18-24% per annum on credit card debt.

I could argue that 10% compounded monthly at a per annum rate of 24% (although not material to you) IS owed to customers that were treated unfairly through this whole process.

NRD from my understanding was their attempt to solidify our preorders for the 9 months during production. This is NOT what I signed up for so I can argue that NONE OF MY PREORDERS should include NRDs especially since they can just change the product on us at no further consequence to them. Seems UNFAIR, and it kinda VOIDS the contract.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Rogue

The nature of a contract with a credit card company includes payment of debts if a loan is not repaid in the proper timespan. The nature of the contract with Sideshow is that you agree to pay X amount, with 10% upfront, no explicit concerns of interest apart from implicit inflationary issues. The fact that your $30 was not invested elsewhere in that timespan has no bearing on your agreement. Life is full of risk and opportunity costs. If I buy a loaf of bread today, and realize tomorrow that it has mold on it and return it to the store, I lose out on the decreased value of the dollar over the course of a day, but I don't demand that Wal-Mart pay me back 200% interest because I could've gotten that investing on a hot stock.

The only contract you agree to is what is stated when you check out on Sideshow's site. If you decide that the risks are too high, then you shouldn't agree to the deal. Just because you feel you are being jilted doesn't mean that Sideshow is defaulting on a contract.

 

[Sebastian]

Re: Rogue

Im looking at this on the tort / civil side.

Im looking at what it would take for SSC to make amends (truly). Because their 100% refund does NOT make the consumer whole they still have to eat a bunch of other costs (opportunity costs, Im sure that 30$ 9 months ago could've gone elsewhere like the phone bill, groceries etc.) They had the benefit of our money for 9 months and we didnt. Thats a $22 500 INTEREST FREE LOAN, and they dont live up to their end of the bargain?

Seems shady to me.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Rogue

Gonna chime in here really quick and then bail. If you're mad about the NRD, blame the idiots who ordered and canceled so much throughout the years (beit flippers, cheapskates, morons, what have you) that it was virtually impossible for Sideshow to gauge interest and were left with a warehouse full of product. Based on their "good faith" Sideshow ordered X-number of product. They took the risks. Now it's our turn. It's because of the mass flakery that Sideshow now charges the NRD.

 

[devilof76]

Re: Rogue

Seems shady to me.

Then sue. Put up or shut up.

 

[Sebastian]

Re: Rogue

the legal costs alone wouldnt be worth the effort, but I could see a class action lawsuit if this trend of shoddy MISREPRESENTED products continues.

Its not the consumers that determine the ES, The Joker Preorder should've made that abundantly clear.

BTW - GO TROLL SOMEWHERE ELSE.

 

[devilof76]

Re: Rogue

I am not trolling. I am having a conversation with you. If you don't like what I have to say, report my post, but I don't believe that commenting on your tirade is considered off topic unless you are off topic.

Back on topic, if legal action is not an option, I believe I offered another alternative.

 

[Sebastian]

Re: Rogue

did you happen to preorder the piece? you got the other thread shut down. Congrats!!

are you aiming for this one as well?

 

[Awesome]

Re: Rogue

Sent an e-mail to Sideshow about Rogue on Monday and still no response.

 

[devilof76]

Re: Rogue

did you happen to preorder the piece? you got the other thread shut down. Congrats!!

are you aiming for this one as well?

I didn't order it. That's irrelevant. I didn't try to get the other thread shut down, and I'm not trying to get this one shut down. Are you incapable of handling someone disagreeing with you?

Why are you posting so many inciteful statements? Are you trying to start trouble?

 

[Sebastian]

Re: Rogue

no. are you?

This is the developed world I can exercise my opinion all I want, so long as it doesnt oppress the rights of others.

But judging from the other posts you made, I get the feeling you know a lot about that.

 

[Syrio]

Re: Rogue

banks also charge 18-24% per annum on credit card debt.

I could argue that 10% compounded monthly at a per annum rate of 24% (although not material to you) IS owed to customers that were treated unfairly through this whole process.

NRD from my understanding was their attempt to solidify our preorders for the 9 months during production. This is NOT what I signed up for so I can argue that NONE OF MY PREORDERS should include NRDs especially since they can just change the product on us at no further consequence to them. Seems UNFAIR, and it kinda VOIDS the contract.

Come on, get off this interest stuff. Even 20% interest, compounded monthly, on your 30 dollar NRD over 9 month is exactly $4.81. That's it, seriously, it's not that big a deal. And that's assuming you're borrowing money from your CC to pay it, and if you're doing that, you have bigger issues.

If you're just spending money you already have. We're talking 3% depreciation here, and that comes out to $0.67.

 

[devilof76]

Re: Rogue

no. are you?

This is the developed world I can exercise my opinion all I want, so long as it doesnt oppress the rights of others.

You're making accusations against a company that I believe are fallacious. Am I not permitted to make statements regarding those accusations, being that I am also a customer of the company you are libelling?

Does my opinion oppress you? Or are you the only one with a right to express one?

 

[The Josh]

Re: Rogue

Alright lets move on shall we?

 

[Sebastian]

Re: Rogue

Come on, get off this interest stuff. Even 20% interest, compounded monthly, on your 30 dollar NRD over 9 month is exactly $4.81. That's it, seriously, it's not that big a deal.

Multiply that by 750 because thats how many people were deceived.

It still adds up.

This decision to cut corners was to save their bottom line. We should have every right to exercise our opinion on the subject.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Rogue

This is the developed world I can exercise my opinion all I want, so long as it doesnt oppress the rights of others.

Technically, this is not true. Everyone here posts at the pleasure of the owner/administrator of this website. If he or a member of his appointed moderation team decides that what you say doesn't need to be shared with others for some reason, then it won't be shared here.

Just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that point.