SSC Batman 1/6 figure

[Khev]

That's all very nice and it makes sense given the time in which the film was made, but it still doesn't make it right.

I actually understand where you're coming from. I'm the same way with Cap comics (pre-Heroes Reborn anyway) and I did cringe a bit when TFA revealed that the Red Skull had a preliminary version of the supersoldier serum in his veins.

But to me a lot of "source material sins" are attoned for when the new take is still cool. And having the RS punch a dent in Steve's first shield and duke it out with him for an extended period of time at the end of the film made for some really exciting moments.

On the flip side Whedon's take on Cap really didn't defy any of Cap's established comic history but he had to give him that damn derpy cowl.

So at the end of the day:

Liberties presented in a cool way > sticking exactly to the comics in a derpy way.

And Jack killing Keaton's parents was cool.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Joker's name never was Heath Ledger but because of TDK some people still think it is

I guess some people love the Ledger version. The same can be said about Mark Hamill. An animated film or a game gets made, and the first thing people say, "where's Hamill and Conroy?"

 

[DGTWoodward]

You pretty much nailed it here...

For the film, emotional connection had to be given between Joker and Batman to make the fight at the end have more meaning behind it than just "Batman beats up bad guy". Having Joker as the murderer supplied that emotional subtext within the 2 hour timeframe of the movie.

Given the time when this film came out, the filmmakers didn't have the benefit of the public at large knowing the Batman/ Joker relationship explored in the comics (like "Dark Knight Returns" and "The Killing Joke"). They knew Joker mostly as just one of the villains in the 60's show. Nowadays, the Batman films have the benefit of the public knowing that Joker is the true arch nemesis of Batman, with the 2 intertwined forever... This is why the line from Ledger at the end of Dark Knight about them being soulmates can work in that movie without having really established them as lifelong enemies in the film- Because the public now expects them to be. They already know they are thanks to the work of the Burton films, Batman The Animated Series, DC animated films, comics being more in the mainstream, etc.

'89 Batman came out a different time, when they not only needed to erase the public's perception of Batman as just being the 60's show, but also for establishing that Batman/ Joker relationship seen in the comics of the day with only 2 hours to play with. Making him the murderer was really the best option given all that.

Oh... and Bob Kane stated at the time the film came out that had he created Joker at the same time as Batman, he would have had him be the murdered too. Batman's origin was already established by the time Joker came around though...

Sallah

Also, and just to reinforce the point about the opportunity to grab the public's wider attention... this was still 1989 and the embryonic internet - not the idiot proof version of it we have today - that made truly international communication and information distribution more easily accessible, was still at the very least two years away.

The options to do this, that were available to Burton, were limited. There was already the monthly comics, there had been the B/W serials, and the 1966 TV show (which in itself was a major hurdle) through which generations saw BATMAN as a live human actor for the very first time.

So BATMAN (1989) was something of a trend setter in more ways than just the financial. It captured the whole world's imagination, before the internet was born and - remarkably enough on its own - still has legs to be selling out merchandise to this day.

Hardly a film past its prime.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I actually understand where you're coming from. I'm the same way with Cap comics (pre-Heroes Reborn anyway) and I did cringe a bit when TFA revealed that the Red Skull had a preliminary version of the supersoldier serum in his veins.

But to me a lot of "source material sins" are attoned for when the new take is still cool. And having the RS punch a dent in Steve's first shield and duke it out with him for an extended period of time at the end of the film made for some really exciting moments.

On the flip side Whedon's take on Cap really didn't defy any of Cap's established comic history but he had to give him that damn derpy cowl.

So at the end of the day:

Liberties presented in a cool way > sticking exactly to the comics in a derpy way.

And Jack killing Keaton's parents was cool.

I guess as long as they get the essence of the characters, that all that matters. However, another thing I don't like is how Batman/Bruce Wayne doesn't seem to care about people dying. He only cares about Vicky Vale. Not once do we see him show any emotion or see him get bothered by people dying all over the place. In the new films at least Bruce Wayne struggled and felt responsible. Anyway, I like the line he uses "You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?"

 

[chubbyman]

Ah... but that is actually the scene where Bruce figures out that Jack Napier was the one that killed his parents (hearing him say the "Dance with the Devil" line again after all those years). Without it, we don't get Bruce's remembrance in the Batcave or the connection in the final fight... which are all played off from that.

Plus- Keaton's "You wanna get nuts?" is awesome.

Sallah

I agree, but even if he didn't find out he killed his parents, the parade would still happen, church fight and all that, and the joker would still die. I don't think knowing he killed his parents would give him the incentive to indirectly kill the joker by tying him down to the gargoyle.

 

[devilof76]

How much more on the nose can you get than making Batman's greatest enemy the murderer of his parents?

 

[Maglor]

BD head looks cool.

For me, Burton's original Batman is a fascinating character study of two damaged individuals who vent their horrors in opposite directions.

The stylized, stage-bound Gotham Burton and Anton Furst created is a masterpiece of expressionism-meets-art deco, by way of the Warner Bros. gangster film. This only personifies the psychology of Bruce Wayne and the Joker in a way that's not too different from The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari.

The final shooting script may not be as well-structured or interested in realism as the Nolan films, but it isn't meant to be.

Danny Elfman's score is near operatic and tops off this fantastical world, giving it a sound as distinct and hummable as anything by John Williams.

Frankly, the reason I love the original so much is because out of any multimedia adaptation, it is by far the closest to the tone and characterization of Bob Kane and Bill Finger's earliest stories. Michael Keaton is The Bat-Man of 1939, driven by vengeance and unstoppable purpose, and not afraid to kill. He's taken directly from the pulp pages, thrown into rubber armor and committed to celluloid.

Batman Returns on the other hand, is ONLY watchable because of the beautiful atmosphere, visuals and music (the cast isn't too shabby, either.) The actual narrative (or lack thereof) is all over the map and gives its audience little to care about.

Batman is a Batman film directed by Tim Burton; Batman Returns is a Tim Burton film with semblances of Batman characters peppered throughout. I have no problem with Burton taking the material and doing his own thing. He just needs a screenplay that's good enough to make it work.

However, I prefer Returns for the very reason you don't. I'm a Burton fan, so I embrace a Burton movie that happens to have my favorite hero in it.

Batman Returns always felt like Burton sat down with Furst's sketchbook and wrote a story around it. There's stuff in there that just ruins the mvie for me - Cats biting Selina back to life, penguin pall bearers, punching through the bottom of the Batmobile, the circus freaks having blueprints for the car...

I loved Michelle Pfiffer. She really got into the role. She saves the movie. Danny DeVito.... I'll be honest he bugs the sh-t out of me after about 5 minutes in whatever he does. I can't watch Sunny for that reason.

That's not how I interpret that scene.

And I love the penguin pall bearers.

I like Sleepy Hollow.

Never seen it.

 

[devilof76]

Never seen it.

It was his good movie.

 

[Maglor]

Did you see Sweeney Todd?

 

[EVILFACE]

How much more on the nose can you get than making Batman's greatest enemy the murderer of his parents?

89 Batman was huge when it came out. I ate up everything leading up to it. Comics, newspaper clipppings, shirts, buttons, toy cars, books, magazines. I loved it because it was so different from what came before it.

Walking out of the theater, I didn't like that they had Joker killing Batmans parents and Batman the one that made the Joker and I had to pick my eyeballs up off the floor after the lame one shot from a revolver taking down the Bat and how all those henchmen got to the bell tower before Batman. I think it was the first movie I "studied" while watching it.

But I liked it. The style and look. The car. How it was violent.

Though now I find the movie has lots of scenes that drag, almost boring in spots.

Never cared for Returns.

Forever was a fun flick.

Batman and Robin, eh, at least Arnold was enjoyable.

Not a Nolan fanatic by any stretch, but even being disappointed with TDKR, I do think that they are far better Batman movies.

And I love the 1940's serials, 60's TV show and all the variations of Superfriends.

As for he action figure this thread is about, I like it and he's on order.

 

[FLOSI]

I like the short ears

Same. Not a fan of the long eared version, of the BD EX.

 

[Gipetto0812]

BD head looks cool.

It really does

That's not how I interpret that scene.

And I love the penguin pall bearers.

That's what I always thought happened with Selina (cats bringer her back to life) but never really had an issue with it.

And yea I love the penguin pall bearers as well.

Never seen it.

U R dead to me!

 

[devilof76]

As for he action figure this thread is about, I like it and he's on order.

I'd be getting it too, if I were not getting the PF.

 

[Groovy34]

what on earth is really going on... has this thread completely derailed or what?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Except... deep down, Clark's essentialy a good person....

Yes, good...not dumb.

 

[lerath666]

Yes, good...not dumb.

Full version of quote.

"If Clark wanted, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the
cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got
one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person... and
deep down, I'm not."

 

[highlander1]

I'm just hoping for very cool Robin next or would Love a Red Hood figure some time. I know we got 66 robin coming but want one that doesnt make me laugh each time i see it.

 

[DiFabio]

All the movies suck.






Batman doesn't wear black rubber body armor. Joker wasn't a mob hitman that killed Bruce Wayne's parents while Joe Chill watched. Joker didn't get that smile from a bullet going through his face. Bruce Wayne doesn't get women drunk and have one night stands. Harvey Dent ain't black. Vicki Vale ain't blonde. Batman met Robin before he ever faced off against the Joker. The Joker didn't rise up and take down the mob. Bruce Wayne wouldn't be a reclusive nut job that is socially awkward as Bruce, but comfortable being Batman. Alfred supposed to have a mustache. Joker doesn't die.

Batman doesn't wear black rubber armor. Penguin isn't a sewer sideshow freak that was cast out and raised by the Circus. Catwoman isn't a blond secretary that was meant to represent feminism. Max Shreck isn't in the comics. Catwoman ain't crazy. Batman met Robin before he ever faced off against Catwoman. Penguin doesn't die.

Batman doesn't wear rubber nipples. Two-Face isn't an over the top gremlin. Riddler didn't work for Bruce Wayne and certainly wasn't in love with him. Robin is a kid, not a 30 year old actor. Who is Chase Meridian? Batman didn't repress his memories. Batman ain't got no fancy video game vision. Two-Face doesn't die. Riddler isn't interested in brain draining.

Batman doesn't wear rubber nipples and ice skates on his suit. Nightwing doesn't wear a cape or red or call himself Robin. Batgirl isn't British or Alfred's niece. Mr. Freeze isn't from Austria. Freeze and Ivy don't work together. Batman doesn't have a bat credit card. Batman wouldn't make a telescope that the villain could use against him. Freeze doesn't watch clay animation Christmas specials. Bane isn't someones lackey. Bane isn't retarded.

Batman doesn't wear black rubber body armor. Batman wasn't trained by mountain ninjas led by Ra's Al Ghul. Ra's Al Ghul ain't Asian . . . or Irish, or whatever. Alfred isn't a fat, cockney butler. Joe Chill never got caught. Bruce Wayne didn't create the Bat as a symbol of hope. Batman made his own Batmobile and gadgets. Batman didn't fight Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul in his first year. Who is Rachel Dawes? Gordon was a transfer from Chicago, not the first cop to comfort young Bruce Wayne. Loeb isn't black. Flass isn't fat.

Batman doesn't wear black rubber body armor. Joker doesn't wear make up/face paint. Joker doesn't have a smile from knife scars. Harvey Dent isn't a blonde. The Joker didn't rise up and take down the mob. Joker doesn't slice and paint his victim's faces. Batman doesn't meet Joker before he meets Robin. Batman ain't got no fancy video game vision. Two-Face is supposed to have a split personality. Two-Face doesn't die. Fox isn't this involved.

Batman doesn't wear black, rubber body armor. Bruce Wayne doesn't retire and Batman doesn't quit. Catwoman isn't a bi-sexual looking for a magical flash drive. Catwoman is supposed to have a whip and claws, not unpractical bladed heels. Bane isn't a protector turned sewer freak that wears a gas mask. Bane wasn't trained by the LoS or Ra's Al Ghul. Bane escaped the prison and deducted who Bruce was himself, not with the help of others. Bane isn't someones lackey. Batman wouldn't make a bomb to be used against him. Robin's real name isn't Robin or John Blake. Robin didn't start out as a cop. Talia was never excommunicated by her father. Talia never looked at Bane like a puppy dog. Talia never fought Batman without her father. Talia wasn't born in a pit. Talia didn't escape a pit. Talia isn't Bane. Batman doesn't quit. Bruce Wayne wouldn't "settle down". Robin wouldn't inherit all that junk without being trained by Bruce. Bane and Talia don't die.

 

[highlander1]

Woh ! Difabio just schooled us ha ha thank's for education sir.

 

[DiFabio]

The only live action Batman that is teh accurate is Adam West and the 60s stuff. All that stuff happened.