SSC Batman 1/6 figure

[cr0w]

huh?
It seems like they're getting back into it to me.
Alot of the stuff they've been doing recently is pretty impressive.

Comparing it to the old days up to the Dead line, their 1/6 stuff seems to simply be going through the motions. The designs are basic or, in terms of their G.I. Joe line, utterly ridiculous (Destro), and they seem to be lacking the creative spark that they used to have. All the effort now is in PFs and their high-end stuff, which I understand, but I miss the days when SS was the 1/6 king. Granted, it's hard to compete with HT, but the disparity between theirs and HT's products is staggering while there is no disparity in price.

 

[chubbyman]

I love it when people that hate on stuff go out of there way to venture into a thread about said stuff just to hate on it. Makes perfect sense.

The Burton films hold up quite well in my opinion... Much better than films that tie themselves to a certain time period and realistic setting, that's for sure. They are true comic book movies- You are in a fictional world with very little reference to ground you to a certain place or period. When I watched it in '89, I never thought it was actually taking place in 1989... and I have felt the same about it since. It has its own time.

As for the poor pacing comment... I am sorry, but that is just silly. I can't think of a single scene in either Burton film that isn't driving the plot along in some way.... whereas I can think of whole sequences that can be dropped from many modern comic films entirely that add absolutely nothing to the plot. Many of these modern day films feel like riding in a car with a clutch going out, with a herky-jerky pace that jumps around from one somewhat pointless plot point to another... forcing me to sometimes scratch my head and go "wait... what is this doing for the movie again?". I have never felt that way about Batman or Batman Returns.

I guess I should go jump in those threads about the comic films I am referring to so I can say all this though. I believe those folks over there that have some cheerios that need peeing in.

So silly.

Sallah

Not to crap on your arguement, I even agree with you Sallah, Love the burton films. But if I had to choose a scene that was completely out of place...it'll have to be the bruce and joker showdown at vicky vale's apartment. You can take out that scene and the movie would still be the same...it just came off as an awkward scene for me. But without it, we wouldn't have gotten all the possible combinations of their encounters:

Bruce/napier
Batman/napier
Bruce/Joker
Batman/Joker

 

[sallah]

Not to crap on your arguement, I even agree with you Sallah, Love the burton films. But if I had to choose a scene that was completely out of place...it'll have to be the bruce and joker showdown at vicky vale's apartment. You can take out that scene and the movie would still be the same...it just came off as an awkward scene for me. But without it, we wouldn't have gotten all the possible combinations of their encounters:

Bruce/napier
Batman/napier
Bruce/Joker
Batman/Joker

Ah... but that is actually the scene where Bruce figures out that Jack Napier was the one that killed his parents (hearing him say the "Dance with the Devil" line again after all those years). Without it, we don't get Bruce's remembrance in the Batcave or the connection in the final fight... which are all played off from that.

Plus- Keaton's "You wanna get nuts?" is awesome.

Sallah

 

[abstractharmony]

I love how Bat-threads almost always turn into **** measuring competitions over how much people know about the character.

 

[sallah]

This is what they have been doing with the GI Joe line from the beginning, with varying levels of success (Zartan = success; Destro = massive failure). As far as those attempts by SSC have gone, Batman ain't too bad.

This is why I never bought the Joe line despite being a big fan of the property. Had the line consistently delivered characters that were relatively close to their classic incarnations (like Zartan), I would have been in for sure. But it is just too all over the map design-wise to get into.

Sallah

 

[highlander1]

I love my 89 bat figure's and they feel more realistic with my figure's in my collection and still watch both burtons movie's back to back. Batman has a lot of story options and love the versatility from the toons to the movie's and books. I think some are spoiled by all the good fx now a days to not appreciate. I'm liking this to possibly display with the 66 car once in while. I'm not sure if will get both 66 figure's yet thier pretty comical and will always make me laugh on how far we have come. I have mr .West on order only because of nostalgia and love him in family guy ,also turned great.

 

[RIDDICK]

I love how Bat-threads almost always turn into **** measuring competitions over how much people know about the character.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWePWdF0tXk[/ame]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Ah... but that is actually the scene where Bruce figures out that Jack Napier was the one that killed his parents (hearing him say the "Dance with the Devil" line again after all those years). Without it, we don't get Bruce's remembrance in the Batcave or the connection in the final fight... which are all played off from that.

Plus- Keaton's "You wanna get nuts?" is awesome.

Sallah

I love Batman 89...But that's one of the things that's wrong with the film. The Joker never killed Batman's parents, and to this day, because of that film some people still think The Joker is responsible for that

 

[DGTWoodward]

The Burton films hold up quite well in my opinion... Much better than films that tie themselves to a certain time period and realistic setting, that's for sure. They are true comic book movies- You are in a fictional world with very little reference to ground you to a certain place or period. When I watched it in '89, I never thought it was actually taking place in 1989... and I have felt the same about it since. It has its own time.

Sallah

Absolutely and totally this.

 

[highlander1]

Now back to the bats.

 

[DGTWoodward]

I love Batman 89...But that's one of the things that's wrong with the film. The Joker never killed Batman's parents, and to this day, because of that film some people still think The Joker is responsible for that

He does within the context and continuity of this film. It's not going to matter to most people that it was Joe Chill. They would not really care even if they did know. Would it have been difficult to have him called Jack Joseph Napier, with an AKA/street name of 'Joe Chill' because that's how he like to kill people...by locking them in a freezer? Proably not, but they didn't.

Tim used a simple device to make it plain why BATMAN had to get The Joker in a very immediate and believable way. Was it canon? Nope, but then which version of canon are we referring to?

 

[RIDDICK]

I love Batman 89...But that's one of the things that's wrong with the film. The Joker never killed Batman's parents, and to this day, because of that film some people still think The Joker is responsible for that

Joker's name never was Heath Ledger but because of TDK some people still think it is

 

[Khev]

And Batman was never gay but because of Adam West and George Clooney people think he is.

Every incarnation has its own unique elements.

 

[DGTWoodward]

And Batman was never gay but because of Adam West and George Clooney people think he is.

Every incarnation has its own unique elements.

And like all great characters, these aspects open up countless areas of comparison and conversation.

 

[sallah]

He does within the context and continuity of this film. It's not going to matter to most people that it was Joe Chill. They would not really care even if they did know. Would it have been difficult to have him called Jack Joseph Napier, with an AKA/street name of 'Joe Chill' because that's how he like to kill people...by locking them in a freezer? Proably not, but they didn't.

Tim used a simple device to make it plain why BATMAN had to get The Joker in a very immediate and believable way. Was it canon? Nope, but then which version of canon are we referring to?

You pretty much nailed it here...

For the film, emotional connection had to be given between Joker and Batman to make the fight at the end have more meaning behind it than just "Batman beats up bad guy". Having Joker as the murderer supplied that emotional subtext within the 2 hour timeframe of the movie.

Given the time when this film came out, the filmmakers didn't have the benefit of the public at large knowing the Batman/ Joker relationship explored in the comics (like "Dark Knight Returns" and "The Killing Joke"). They knew Joker mostly as just one of the villains in the 60's show. Nowadays, the Batman films have the benefit of the public knowing that Joker is the true arch nemesis of Batman, with the 2 intertwined forever... This is why the line from Ledger at the end of Dark Knight about them being soulmates can work in that movie without having really established them as lifelong enemies in the film- Because the public now expects them to be. They already know they are thanks to the work of the Burton films, Batman The Animated Series, DC animated films, comics being more in the mainstream, etc.

'89 Batman came out a different time, when they not only needed to erase the public's perception of Batman as just being the 60's show, but also for establishing that Batman/ Joker relationship seen in the comics of the day with only 2 hours to play with. Making him the murderer was really the best option given all that.

Oh... and Bob Kane stated at the time the film came out that had he created Joker at the same time as Batman, he would have had him be the murdered too. Batman's origin was already established by the time Joker came around though...

Sallah

 

[highlander1]

Just noticed the differnt or shorter ears after reading the spec's.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That's all very nice and it makes sense given the time in which the film was made, but it still doesn't make it right. It's understandable though. However, Batman didn't need the "extra" motivation, he's BATMAN, and the Joker killed hundreds...maybe thousands of people, that's more than enough reason for him to get the joker...PLUS The Joker had his girl hostage (she should've stayed in the batcave )...but I guess they had to make it personal (very 80's) Thousands of people dead! That's ok, I'll eat some soup, visit Vicki Vale and revealed my secret identity ...I'll take care of the joker later. Joker kills parents! Batman shoots machineguns and rockets in the middle of the street to kill the joker Still love the film.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Oh... and Bob Kane stated at the time the film came out that had he created Joker at the same time as Batman, he would have had him be the murdered too. Batman's origin was already established by the time Joker came around though...

Sallah

That's called promoting the movie. You know, like when Stan Lee said Tobey Maguire was the perfect Peter Parker/Spiderman, but now he says the new film is much better and Andrew Garfield is the perfect Peter Parker. Unfortunately, Bob Kane didn't live long enough to promote the new films.

 

[karamazov80]

The Burton films hold up quite well in my opinion... Much better than films that tie themselves to a certain time period and realistic setting, that's for sure. They are true comic book movies- You are in a fictional world with very little reference to ground you to a certain place or period.

I don't have any horse in the larger race you are engaged in here, but Marvel's comics from the early '60s on were usually explicitly tied to real world places and contexts. In fact, that's one of the things that really distinguished them from DC early on.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

I like the short ears