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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I dunno if you guys don’t understand script writing or what....

If JJ wants to undo everything from TLJ he can do it with a tap of the delete key. Anything said or done can be undone.

Character dies? Nope, magically re incarnated or you didn’t see what you thought you did....

A villain lies about something.....says it was the truth....or vice versa....

It takes some skill to rewrite stuff to suit a new storyline well, but it can be done.

Hey Superman was brought back with some stupid hocus pocus crap..

Lex Luther escaped jail without any explanations....

Hulk learned to control himself without therapy.

Loki changes his stripes constantly....

Hell, Indiana Jones can survive a 500 Mph flight and crash in a Fridge.

It’s all up for grabs , expect anything and everything we just saw in TLJ to be thrown out , or only seen from a certain point of view.

Personally , I think JJ will set this story several years down the road, and it will begin with a funeral....Leia’s funeral....she dies of a broken heart.


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What you said and the examples you gave are exactly why people don’t like that stuff.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What you said and the examples you gave are exactly why people don’t like that stuff.

Oh Did you misunderstand? I never said the changes would be good or well executed...

Just that they can happen....


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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Oh Did you misunderstand? I never said the changes would be good or well executed...

Just that they can happen....


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Haha well I can agree to that! I’m certain they’re going to happen at this point, and I’m sure they’ll be some throw away thing/reason like you said.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

JAWS quit torturing yourself. :lol

Watching a movie multiple times until you like it is called brainwashing. :lol

:lol.. There is some truth to that... As a SW fan there is nothing more that I would like to do then Brainwash myself into Loving the ST.. More on that later.

Don’t do it my heart can’t take JAWS hating on a movie centered around Luke Skywalker anymore. :monkey2

:lol

Yeah I don't see JAWS changing his mind. It's Star Wars so I "get" trying to brainwash yourself because God knows I've tried more times than I can count to revisit the PT and see them through the eyes of people who liked them. But there's just too much of an assault of things that genuinely bug me for me to ever change my mind.

That said TPM does have a certain charm but AOTC and ROTS are just so bad.

Based on what he's already said I think there's just too much that he doesn't like about TLJ for it to ever win him over. But I give him props for trying. ;)

Hmmm How will I feel? More below.

Aside from the Maul fights I never really understood the minority who prefer TPM over the other two. Christiansen is hella bad in AOTC but I'd take him over Jake Lloyd any day and ROTS is Oscar material compared to TPM and AOTC.

I guess I can understand it if people feel PM didn't "ruin" the image of Vader in the way AOTC and ROTS did - but I don't really mind his character portrayal in their of those two movies, so ROTS will forever be best of the PT for me. The Obi-Wan vs. Grievous fight alone is enough for me to put it above the other two.

I can't recall anything remotely charming about PM... The story on paper was fine but it's just so bad and bloated with awful CGI.

See Quote below

-Jake Lloyd's child performance was better than Hayden's adult performance relatively speaking?
-Best music of the prequels
-seems like much more real location shooting and modelwork (even if this is not factually the case)
-Liam Neeson
-nostalgia (it was the first new Star Wars movie in 16 years - which, at the time, seemed like a very very long time - the excitement was unreal)

Add the Emperor to that list also.. I thought he was the most "Emperor" Like in the film. Loved him in TPM

Being the first film is 16 years and the anticipation does help my enjoyment of the film.. Watching it takes me back to a very specific time in my life. As much as the film was an overall disappointment the year leading up to it was great.

I went through a disappointed, hate, love, hate, love relationship with this film... Still by far my personal fav of the PT.

Next post... My thoughts my 3rd viewing.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Ok.. The Last Jedi. Round 3.

What I loved.

Hamill as Luke. Just like the first time it is such a joy to see Hamill as Luke again. I never hated the direction they took his story and enjoy every moment he is on the screen. Having said that I can fully understand why Skywalker fans would have wanted a more traditional Luke Story.

The Death of Snoke and Rey looking up at Kylo immediately afterwards is still a great moment. I wish so much they did more with this. That one or the other turned. Would have been interesting to see Kylo go "good guy" or pretend to go good guy so he could infiltrate the resistance and show his true colors in the next film.. Something a little more epic then what we got after such an epic moment.

The Light Speed Suicide. Still very cool. A very beautiful site to see and ot just because Haldo died :lol

The Hug and chemistry between Finn and Rey.. You feel that Hug when they finally see each other.. I really wish Rose was not a part of this Universe because Finn and Rey have genuine chemistry.

What I Liked

Kylo. He is still a bit too Emo for me to be an all time great villain but he is interesting.

Luke and R2 moment. Not as emotional as the first time but still fun to see Luke become the Luke we know when he sees R2

Porgs :)

Chewie

Finn. Man just get rid of Rose and we might have my fav character of the ST :lol

Rey. Since almost all her scenes are with Luke. I enjoyed her character much more.

What I did not hate as much as I thought I did but still don't like

I really don't like Rose. Not one bit. She is my least fav character in the Star Wars Universe.. BUT much of that has to do with the actress herself. I just don't care for who they cast in the part. That being said.. She is not in the film that much and I can ignore her. My rage o meter did not go off as much as it did with first viewings. I still think her speech after saving Finn is stupid. :lol

Rey's Super Powers. It is explained why Kylo lost in the first film. He was torn after killing his dad allowing himself to be beat by a girl who never used a lightsaber. Sure its still BS but at least it is better then ignoring it.. I still think she is far too powerful but she rarely showed them off.. It is stupid that she can lift all the rocks with ease at the end of the film... Someone who thinks the force is for controlling people and moving things is just too darn strong with the force :lol but it still bothered me less then it did before.

This one will seem weird but Haldo.. But read the What I hated more then I thought I did part :lol I still don't care for her and feel that she came across as a truly awful leader. Her condescending tone and the goofy girl talk with Leia "He's trouble. I like him" (Barf) drive me crazy but there is a reason I could stomach her a little more this time.



What I hated more then I thought I did

Poe... This goes with why I don't hate Haldo as much.. Its not Poe so much but how they wrote his character and every plot surrounding him. I know we did not get much of a chance to meet him in TFA but he did not strike me as someone who would just ignore an order from Leia like he did... If that is him then how does someone get into such a high ranking position as he does when he ignores his superiors so easily?
I liked Poe in TFA but he seems to be written to just be wrong most of the time in this film..

And why can't Leia call off the rest of the fighters in the beginning??

I know Jye likes the Red Guards but I think their outfits look cheap and silly. :)

DJ. I kind of liked him after the first viewing.. 2nd viewing I did not care for him... I really hate him now. I blame the stutter. :lol

What I still Hate

Rose's speech at the end to fin is the worst.. The Worst.

Canto Bight - Is more PT then the PT :lol

The action in the film... Nothing really excites me. I like the Falcon vs the Tie Fighters at the end but that is about it. I know some here love the beginning but that really does nothing for me.. It is my least fav space battle in the series. Yep that is including the Naboo fighters vs the Federation. But as I have stated before.. None of it really stand out as anything special to me. Canto Bight is awful and the Crait battle is just worthless overall. Since the ships the resistance has are worthless it just makes for boring action.. Thank goodness the Falcon showed up.

Poe figuring out why Luke is out there facing Kylo. To stall for time so they could escape so they could be the beacon of light... Luke should have just told them the plan because it just sounds stupid coming from Poe :lol The film is trying so hard to make him the leader at the end it comes across as corny.

The Dark Side Pit.. What a waste of 3 mins.. Feels like 10.

Hux. Again I think I could handle this character if someone else was in the role.. I just don't care for him in this part oat all.

There are other things I did not care for like the Opening scrawl ignoring the events of the first film.. But nothing that I hated.



So overall.. I would say that its not as bad as the haters feel but it is nowhere near as good as a certain three fans on here think it is :lol

I am amazed at how fast 2 hours and 20 min go by.. Even for a film I am not in love or like with... But it fly's by.. I give most of that credit it the Luke part of the story as it is by far my fav part of the film.

SO My new Ranking system...

1. ANH - 5 out ot 5
2. ESB - 5 out of 5
3. RO - 4 out of 5
4. ROTJ - 3.5 out of 5

5. TPM - 2.5 out of 5
6. TLJ - 2.5 out of 5
7. ROTS - 2 out of 5

8. TFA - 1.5 out of 5
9. AOTC - 1 out of 5



SO there you have it.. It moved up three spots and a point and a half. Not bad.. I attribute that all to Mark Hamill. Nothing more and nothing less. He on his own is better then anything in ROTS, TFA, and AOTC.


Maybe I am just brainwashed. :lol
 
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What I loved.

Hamill as Luke.


Luke is with you.jpg





Luke is with you.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Personally , I think JJ will set this story several years down the road, and it will begin with a funeral....Leia’s funeral....she dies of a broken heart.

As much as I disowned ST, you are right.

PT had major time gaps to speed up the narrative. TPM to AOTC 10 years, AOTC to ROTS 3 years.

Episode 9 could fix it's problem time gapping, than continuing right off the same year. Even OT gapped a few years between movies. So.. yeah.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Ok.. The Last Jedi. Round 3.

What I loved.

Hamill as Luke. Just like the first time it is such a joy to see Hamill as Luke again. I never hated the direction they took his story and enjoy every moment he is on the screen. Having said that I can fully understand why Skywalker fans would have wanted a more traditional Luke Story.

The Death of Snoke and Rey looking up at Kylo immediately afterwards is still a great moment. I wish so much they did more with this. That one or the other turned. Would have been interesting to see Kylo go "good guy" or pretend to go good guy so he could infiltrate the resistance and show his true colors in the next film.. Something a little more epic then what we got after such an epic moment.

The Light Speed Suicide. Still very cool. A very beautiful site to see and ot just because Haldo died :lol

The Hug and chemistry between Finn and Rey.. You feel that Hug when they finally see each other.. I really wish Rose was not a part of this Universe because Finn and Rey have genuine chemistry.

What I Liked

Kylo. He is still a bit too Emo for me to be an all time great villain but he is interesting.

Luke and R2 moment. Not as emotional as the first time but still fun to see Luke become the Luke we know when he sees R2

Porgs :)

Chewie

Finn. Man just get rid of Rose and we might have my fav character of the ST :lol

Rey. Since almost all her scenes are with Luke. I enjoyed her character much more.

What I did not hate as much as I thought I did but still don't like

I really don't like Rose. Not one bit. She is my least fav character in the Star Wars Universe.. BUT much of that has to do with the actress herself. I just don't care for who they cast in the part. That being said.. She is not in the film that much and I can ignore her. My rage o meter did not go off as much as it did with first viewings. I still think her speech after saving Finn is stupid. :lol

Rey's Super Powers. It is explained why Kylo lost in the first film. He was torn after killing his dad allowing himself to be beat by a girl.. Sure its still BS but at least it is better then ignoring it.. I still think she is far too powerful but she rarely showed them off.. It is stupid that she can lift all the rocks with ease at the end of the film... Someone who thinks the force is for controlling people and moving things is just too darn strong with the force :lol but it still bothered me less then it did before.

This one will seem weird but Haldo.. But read the What I hated more then I thought I did part :lol I still don't care for her and feel that she came across as a truly awful leader. Her condescending tone and the goofy girl talk with Leia "He's trouble. I like him" (Barf) drive me crazy but there is a reason I could stomach her a little more this time.



What I hated more then I thought I did

Poe... This goes with why I don't hate Haldo as much.. Its not Poe so much but how they wrote his character and every plot surrounding him. I know we did not get much of a chance to meet him in TFA but he did not strike me as someone who would just ignore an order from Leia like he did... If that is him then how does someone get into such a high ranking position as he does when he ignores his superiors so easily?
I liked Poe in TFA but he seems to be written to just be wrong most of the time in this film..

And why can't Leia call off the rest of the fighters in the beginning??

I know Jye likes the Red Guards but I think their outfits look cheap and silly. :)

DJ. I kind of liked him after the first viewing.. 2nd viewing I did not care for him... I really hate him now. I blame the stutter. :lol

What I still Hate

Rose's speech at the end to fin is the worst.. The Worst.

Canto Bight - Is more PT then the PT :lol

The action in the film... Nothing really excites me. I like the Falcon vs the Tie Fighters at the end but that is about it. I know some here love the beginning but that really does nothing for me.. It is my least fav space battle in the series. Yep that is including the Naboo fighters vs the Federation. But as I have stated before.. None of it really stand out as anything special to me. Canto Bight is awful and the Crait battle is just worthless overall. Since the ships the resistance has are worthless it just makes for boring action.. Thank goodness the Falcon showed up.

Poe figuring out why Luke is out there facing Kylo. To stall for time so they could escape so they could be the beacon of light... Luke should have just told them the plan because it just sounds stupid coming from Poe :lol The film is trying so hard to make him the leader at the end it comes across as corny.

The Dark Side Pit.. What a waste of 3 mins.. Feels like 10.

Hux. Again I think I could handle this character if someone else was in the role.. I just don't care for him in this part oat all.

There are other things I did not care for like the Opening scrawl ignoring the events of the first film.. But nothing that I hated.



So overall.. I would say that its not as bad as the haters feel but it is nowhere near as good as a certain three fans on here think it is :lol

I am amazed at how fast 2 hours and 20 min go by.. Even for a film I am not in love or like with... But it fly's by.. I give most of that credit it the Luke part of the story as it is by far my fav part of the film.

SO My new Ranking system...

1. ANH - 5 out ot 5
2. ESB - 5 out of 5
3. RO - 4 out of 5
4. ROTJ - 3.5 out of 5

5. TPM - 2.5 out of 5
6. TLJ - 2.5 out of 5
7. ROTS - 2 out of 5

8. TFA - 1.5 out of 5
9. AOTC - 1 out of 5



SO there you have it.. It moved up three spots and a point and a half. Not bad.. I attribute that all to Mark Hamill. Nothing more and nothing less. He on his own is better then anything in ROTS, TFA, and AOTC.


Maybe I am just brainwashed. :lol

Might be the most balanced review O have read.

Respect.


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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I rewatched TLJ again last night. I skipped the entirety of the Canto Bight scenes and the movie flows just fine. It adds nothing to the movie, it's a sub plot that goes nowhere. It's a long way to get Finn to face Phasma ,hear Rose complain and free the animals but not the human slaves that are children no less!. Skip past it and the movie is more enjoyable.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Ok.. The Last Jedi. Round 3.

What I loved.

Hamill as Luke. Just like the first time it is such a joy to see Hamill as Luke again. I never hated the direction they took his story and enjoy every moment he is on the screen. Having said that I can fully understand why Skywalker fans would have wanted a more traditional Luke Story.

The Death of Snoke and Rey looking up at Kylo immediately afterwards is still a great moment. I wish so much they did more with this. That one or the other turned. Would have been interesting to see Kylo go "good guy" or pretend to go good guy so he could infiltrate the resistance and show his true colors in the next film.. Something a little more epic then what we got after such an epic moment.

The Light Speed Suicide. Still very cool. A very beautiful site to see and ot just because Haldo died :lol

The Hug and chemistry between Finn and Rey.. You feel that Hug when they finally see each other.. I really wish Rose was not a part of this Universe because Finn and Rey have genuine chemistry.

What I Liked

Kylo. He is still a bit too Emo for me to be an all time great villain but he is interesting.

Luke and R2 moment. Not as emotional as the first time but still fun to see Luke become the Luke we know when he sees R2

Porgs :)

Chewie

Finn. Man just get rid of Rose and we might have my fav character of the ST :lol

Rey. Since almost all her scenes are with Luke. I enjoyed her character much more.

See look at all the stuff you liked and even loved. Luke. Snoke. Rey. Kylo. Holdo suicide. Chewie and the Porgs. Even Finn! ;)

We have a good amount of common ground on this movie. And really just being into Mark Hamill's performance and Luke's arc is really all the matters IMO. People who hate on Poe or the casino or Rose or whatever. Eh. Rian took a lot of risks and obviously some of them paid off for a lot of people while others rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

So you respect the OT, respect RO, and respect TLJ Luke. Bam. See I knew there was good in you. :duff

:D

I don't know how you can think that the totality of TPM outweighs Luke's performance in TLJ but eh, I'll let you have your little Skull Island/TPM guilty pleasures since you're squared away on those other things I just mentioned. ;)
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

See look at all the stuff you liked and even loved. Luke. Snoke. Rey. Kylo. Holdo suicide. Chewie and the Porgs. Even Finn! ;)

Yeah but there is still a lot of hate dwelling in me :lol

We have a good amount of common ground on this movie. And really just being into Mark Hamill's performance and Luke's arc is really all the matters IMO. People who hate on Poe or the casino or Rose or whatever. Eh. Rian took a lot of risks and obviously some of them paid off for a lot of people while others rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

So you respect the OT, respect RO, and respect TLJ Luke. Bam. See I knew there was good in you. :duff

:D

I don't know how you can think that the totality of TPM outweighs Luke's performance in TLJ but eh, I'll let you have your little Skull Island/TPM guilty pleasures since you're squared away on those other things I just mentioned. ;)

1. I don't even enjoy Skull Island as a guilty pleasure. I have not liked it since my second viewing.. I fully admit I was wrong about that one :lol

2. TPM has a few things going for it over TLJ. The Action is far better and lets face it that is a huge reason we all love SW and the nostalgia factor plays a big role. TPM is a goofy film but I have come to love some of that goofiness.. I freaking love Viceroy :lol makes me laugh every time he says something. TPM also has a couple of great villains with Maul and the Emperor.


As for TLJ. I can't fault anyone for hating on TLJ if they can't get into the Luke story and even if they can there is a lot of things frustrating about the film. But yeah Luke carries the picture.. Wonder how the next film will fair without having him in it as much.


Also my rating of the series was based on my movie rating system.. If I put it on a Star Wars Sliding scale you could give every film another .5 thus making TLJ a 3 out of 5.. How about that? :lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I actually love Nute Gunray too. :lol He's so freaking quotable. Actually a lot of the PT is, TPM in particular (not *good* quotable mind you but *fun* quotable, lol.)

I agree that SW needs to deliver when it comes to action so if you think that TFA/TLJ is a bust in that regard then that would definitely be a massive strike against those films. I'm surprised that you don't like the Crait battle. I love watching those red plumes zip around and the fact that the FO doesn't suffer a single ground casualty gives them some much needed ominousness. You say that since the Resistance speeders don't hurt them that the whole battle is worthless, do you feel the same way about Faramir's charge in ROTK then?

Again to me it just ups the bravery of the good guys by a factor of 10 and does the same for the bad guys' intimidation level. Just cool to have a battle where the heroes hit such a wall like that (no reverse pun intended, lol.)

But yeah I'll take that 3 out of 5 rating and hold you to it going forward. ;)

But otherwise I fully concede that Rose is pretty silly, Canto Bight is completely prequel-esque, and that Del Toro's stutter was an unusual choice to say the least, lol.
 
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

JAWS has officially accepted a Kennedy/Rian SW movie over a Lucas SW movie yes Khev our work here is officially done.

We knew going in that the battle for JAWS soul wasn’t going to be easy but we prevailed.

I can now rest in peace knowing JAWS rates Hamill milking a cow above Hayden’s sand speech.

That’s all Khev and I ever needed to hear from our friend JAWS.

Thank you JAWS.....now come here and give Khev and I a hug.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I actually love Nute Gunray too. :lol He's so freaking quotable. Actually a lot of the PT is, TPM in particular (not *good* quotable mind you but *fun* quotable, lol.)

I agree that SW needs to deliver when it comes to action so if you think that TFA/TLJ is a bust in that regard then that would definitely be a massive strike against those films. I'm surprised that you don't like the Crait battle. I love watching those red plumes zip around and the fact that the FO doesn't suffer a single ground casualty gives them some much needed ominousness. You say that since the Resistance speeders don't hurt them that the whole battle is worthless, do you feel the same way about Faramir's charge in ROTK then?

Again to me it just ups the bravery of the good guys by a factor of 10 and does the same for the bad guys' intimidation level. Just cool to have a battle where the heroes hit such a wall like that (no reverse pun intended, lol.)

But yeah I'll take that 3 out of 5 rating and hold you to it going forward. ;)

Faramir's charge is awesome - he definitely showed his quality. It was included in the film to emphasise the wastefulness and hoplessness of the Steward, juxtaposed with the love and loyalty that Faramir himself retained for his father even though he was a man worthy of neither.

TLJ Crait charge not so much for me lol. Just seemed pointless all round and as far as I could tell it didn't even slow down the empire I mean first order. It also needlessly wasted the lives of the few pilots they had left, there was no deeper point being made (unless that was supposed to be Rose's comically timed dialogue and kiss attack on Finn #me2). Also when did Finn learn to pilot anything, literally a few days a go he had to break Poe out of prison cos he needed a pilot. In TLJ he's flying on Crait and to Canto Bite (Rose is also a pilot now, surprised that this is covered at mechanic school in the resistance training camp but ok).
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Faramir's charge is awesome - he definitely showed his quality. It was included in the film to emphasise the wastefulness and hoplessness the Steward juxtaposed with the love and loyalty that Faramir himself retained for his father even though he was a man worthy of neither.

TLJ Crait charge not so much for me lol. Just seemed pointless all round and as far as I could tell it didn't even slow down the empire I mean first order. It also needlessly wasted the lives of the few pilots they had left, there was no deeper point being made (unless that was supposed to be Rose's comically timed dialogue and kiss attack on Finn #me2). Also when did Finn learn to pilot anything, literally a few days a go he had to break Poe out of prison cos he needed a pilot. In TLJ he's flying on Crait and to Canto Bite (Rose is also a pilot now, surprised that this is covered at mechanic school in the resistance training camp but ok).

Do not insult anything LOTR comparing to TLJ...please
 
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