Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[LipSmack]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yea that’s true. That does get annoying. Not everything from the 1970s -1995 was gold . It’s amazing how most people complain about every single movie. Like Scrooge on Christmas

Yeah, dont get me wrong I did like parts of TLJ but overall it doesnt work as a narrative. Luke designs, even some aspects of character were pretty good, Rey was alright, the rey/kylo stuff even is passable to me but 95% just didnt pan out, both as an actual coherent story and as my head predictions/common sense. Same with prequels, no one can say Jango wasnt really cool, maybe had a lackluster death, but he's by far one of the cooler things to be done, same with maul, grievous etc.. so there definitely stuff to like in everything

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It’s one thing to hate TLJ but to HATE EVERYTHING is another.

That’s just grating and annoying and I get no pleasure in hearing an opinion from someone who just hates everything or at least everything post 1995 because of some misguided internal level of perfection that will never be met.

Fine hate the ST or TLJ but if you hate everything else post 1995 i’m not taking you seriously.

That's why I never really had a problem with SNIKT. He could be over the top with the vitriol against SW, Marvel, and whatever else but the guy could wax eloquent about what he loved like nobody's business. Our opinions didn't overlap very often but reading him gushing over films like Logan or BP reminded me of how I might go off about RO or BR2049. Too bad he was too easily baited and just couldn't reign in the random "let's meet somewhere and fight in real life" silliness though, lol.

 

[guyver1]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Everybody is gone tho. Everyone who raged hard have been banned except vault boy. And most people moved to another forum. It’s def not gonna be as fun as it use to.

I miss snikt and his wild vampire theory. It’s like.... where did he come up with that.

Yeah..crazy Dave and Snoopy not playing around anymore

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That's why I never really had a problem with SNIKT. He could be over the top with the vitriol against SW, Marvel, and whatever else but the guy could wax eloquent about what he loved like nobody's business. Our opinions didn't overlap very often but reading him gushing over films like Logan or BP reminded me of how I might go off about RO or BR2049. Too bad he was too easily baited and just couldn't reign in the random "let's meet somewhere and fight in real life" silliness though, lol.

Lol he would just get mad easily when someone gave an opinion different from his. I’ve never seen anyone as intense as that before.

The guy said some outlandish things and when you asked why he’d say you don’t know real cinema. Dude was funny as all hell

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah..crazy Dave and Snoopy not playing around anymore

Yea. I miss the nam and Celtic days. Lol

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

This essay by Pop Culture Detective is instructive.



PCD is John McIntosh, the producer of Anita Sarkeesian's Feminist Frequency, "a website that hosts videos and commentary analyzing portrayals of women in popular culture," especially video games.


#Gamergate.

PCD's analysis is from a male feminist perspective. He contradicts himself unabashedly and repeatedly.

Fan complaints have a tendency to devolve into wild conspiracy theories about the Disney corp pushing an agenda of forced diversity or feminist propaganda.

But then later he exulted:

The Last Jedi is a story about men learning to trust women’s ideas and decisions; and then becoming better people and better heroes because of it.

And crucially:

while that might be an unexpected message from a Star Wars story, it's a vital lesson that men need to learn if we are to achieve gender equality.

McIntosh had previously argued that the Jedi promoted toxic masculinity and are a symbol of patriarchy.



Hence the Postmodernist book burning of the Enlightenment texts.

Mcintosh's essay on TLJ is filled with factual errors to the extent that it seems he didn't pay much attention to the film or even to the original trilogy. Or he ignores criticisms of objectively bad writing so he can push his ideological narrative. In Mcintosh's words:

this older version of Luke Skywalker is consistant with his characterization from the original trilogy.

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The truth is, Luke Skywalker was never portrayed as a great Jedi warrior.

Contradictory and Lore breaking writing:

How The Last Jedi Destroyed The Continuity Of Star Wars

The Holdo Maneuver

https://medium.com/@matthewkadish/h...ntinuity-of-star-wars-storycraft-53f24c00ef29

'I'm a hack writer' says Rian Johnson:

I write sporadically and badly. With no rhyme or reason.

https://youtu.be/8RgIDuj1Y-U

McIntosh argues that the fandom should actually appreciate how the men in TLJ were written:

Despite what the reactionary conspiracy theorists claim, this is not an agenda of masculine inferiority. Women in the Last Jedi hold their male counterparts accountable not out of animosity but because they genuinely care about them.

Male heroes are not being diminished or erased in this movie. In fact, a lot of time and effort is devoted to giving the men transformative arcs.

The implication is that the women weren't given such transformative arcs because they don't need to change. They're already perfect.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Where do u get this from? Like how do you find all this info. Reddit?

 

[jye4ever]

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[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Like the guy above me said. Could be units shipped to stores for bargain bin Walmart’s. Besides I see literally nothing on this movie unless it’s negative. Ur the only person I’ve seen that’s a huge super fan of it. No offense

That's fine. Even if no one else on the planet liked TLJ, I'd still be here posting my defense of it all the same. Other people's opinions don't influence my own. What other people think is "good" or "bad" should carry about as much weight as a couple drops of mouse piss.

But, for whatever it's worth, I'm definitely not the only one who enjoyed TLJ - not even the only one in this forum. They post in the TLJ figure threads more than in the actual movie threads. I don't know why. Maybe because these movie threads have gotten toxic in the past, or maybe because they don't want to be hated here. Personally, I don't mind being hated here for having a contrary opinion. As long as I'm not hated for being a disrespectful d-bag. So, I try not to be.

As for the Blu-ray sales: the numbers are estimates based on weekly retail surveys; they represent estimates of actual units sold to consumers based on retailer data. I admit that TLJ will get passed up by IW (and maybe Black Panther), by the end of the year - but the sales still seem stronger to me than a "franchise-killing" movie would've gotten. Millions of people buying the DVD or Blu-ray aren't doing it because they hate the movie.

What I'm getting at is that the loudest voices don't always speak the truth. My own truth is that TLJ is my 4th-favorite Star Wars movie. That's not saying much considering what came after the OT, but I'm grateful for a SW film that I feel tried much harder than the PT (and even TFA and RO). I'm willing to bet that plenty of other fans don't hate TLJ either - that's why more people have bought it than any other Blu-ray movie in 2018. And I think Episode IX opening weekend will tell the full story on how much it "ruined" Star Wars.

 

[snoop101]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I haven't met one person that said they enjoyed the Last Jedi.

 

[xipotec]

Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Like the guy above me said. Could be units shipped to stores for bargain bin Walmart’s. Besides I see literally nothing on this movie unless it’s negative. Ur the only person I’ve seen that’s a huge super fan of it. No offense

See this is why the hate train gets such a negative rap....because of statements like this.

And this

I haven't met one person that said they enjoyed the Last Jedi.

No offense if you have not met anyone who liked it the odds are you don’t know alot of people.

He is not the only person, he is not even the only person on this board.
I understand the passion with which the haters have for this film, but reality is not everyone.

I will assume are blissfully unaware of the reality that this film was more like 50/50. Or that you are intentionally unaware. If its that latter , here is a few examples of the reality of the reviews.

Do MOST people like it ? No , that would imply greater than 50 percent......

Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I haven't met one person that said they enjoyed the Last Jedi.

Do you lead off with that question when meeting new people?

 

[Neal136]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Oddly enough, almost everyone I have talked to about the film, including many lifelong fans, actually enjoyed it. This may shock many, but a lot of them even loved it.

 

[evenflow]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I haven't met one person that said they enjoyed the Last Jedi.

I have not either. I see tons of people defending it online but don't actually know anyone who enjoyed it.

 

[cerealkeller]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Mist be the people we keep company with. For me it's about 50/50. A lot of older fans do not like it (40 and above) but many also do. I'm one of them. Most younger fans loved it. Of my closest friends, 3/4 love it.


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[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What I'm getting at is that the loudest voices don't always speak the truth. My own truth is that TLJ is my 4th-favorite Star Wars movie. That's not saying much considering what came after the OT, but I'm grateful for a SW film that I feel tried much harder than the PT (and even TFA and RO)

I can't believe you didn't watch Solo my friend. I saw TLJ on the big screen three times and Solo four times. That blows me away, I literally paid to see non-Ford Han more times than Hamill Luke and Fisher Leia, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Easy peasy

SW
ESB
ROTJ/RO
Solo
TLJ
TFA
TPM
ROTS
AOTC

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yup, can't go wrong with that Top 5.

Mine are the same but in a slightly different order.

ESB
SW
RO/ROTJ <--- see what I did there, lol
Solo

TLJ
TFA





TPM















ROTS
AOTC

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It’s funny how 50% of both ROTJ and RO are simply epic therefore tied so then it just comes down to which of the 2 do you prefer the weaker 50% elements.

Honestly it’s a toss up, lame Han and Ewoks or lame Borgullet and lame lack of backstory on Saw’s resistance.

Regarding why i’ll always choose ANH over ESB it’s also a simple concept for me.

ESB needs ANH to be epic and epic it truly is.

YES its epicness is greater than ANH.

So then why do I still place ANH higher?

Because ANH while not as epic as ESB is still epic enough and more importantly it doesn’t need ESB to be epic especially since it has the whole 77 out of the gate going for it as well.

ESB can’t achieve it’s highs without ANH where as ANH can and does without ESB in a self contained story.

I am your Father would not be huge without ANH preceding it.

Luke blowing up the death star is contained and the ceremony seals the deal.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

ESB can’t achieve it’s highs without ANH where as ANH can and does in a self contained story.

True but I'm never going to watch ESB without knowledge of ANH so now I can just decide which is the better made film and which is more enjoyable to watch for two hours and in both regards ESB barely beats out ANH.

Regarding RO and ROTJ there are no parts of RO that I find boring or flat or outright stupid *except* freaking Walrusman and Dr. Evazan. They really want us to believe that the singular aspect of his existence is just bumping into people on various planets and telling them to watch themselves? So freaking stupid, lol. But otherwise that's it for me.

But even though ROTJ is like 40% lame it'll always get by on the awesome new character, creature and ship designs from beginning to end, the space battle and Luke's final moments fighting Vader and laying him to rest.