Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hate to break it to the Rey Rian Kennedy haters out there but the names Rey, Kylo, Snoke, Hux, Poe, Finn, BB8, Maz, Resistance instead of Rebellion and FO instead of Empire are now as easily recognizable as belonging to SW as any of the OT/PT era names are.

Just because in your own reality inside your heads you believe they are null and void does it mean they are.

It’s even funnier that the concept of there being only 2 perfect SW movies is hard for some to grasp.

ROTJ, PT, ST, RO and Solo all share a common trait, they are all flawed.

ANH and ESB also share a common trait, they are perfect.

Rey is popular with many SW fans maybe not with you, but she is.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah for better or for worse ROTJ set the precedent of a SW movie being entertaining in spite of having elements that are highly flawed. If ROTJ was as perfect as SW and ESB then I agree it'd be very hard to allow any new film to "taint" such perfection. But as of 1983 SW isn't about being perfect it's about being entertaining and just needing the good to outweigh the bad. The good in TFA, RO, TLJ, and Solo all outweigh the bad, spectacularly so in RO and Solo's cases (IMO obviously.) Not so with AOTC or ROTS. TPM is 50/50 but now gets a pass since it links to Solo better than it does to the other two films in its own trilogy.

Actually TPM was 49/51 but Maul's Solo cameo tipped it that one extra point to make it a pass, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I was already jaded, cynical and angry when ROTJ was released and boy was I hating on those Ewoks, Han and to some extent Vader something ugly lol

Like screw this crap i’m so cool i’m going to go watch me some domestic and foreign slasher movies with boobs i’ll show those Ewoks how bad ass I am

My poor parents they were like you’re not going to those Time Square theaters are you.

Ohhh no mom never.

Now look at my sig lol

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah people carrying on about how ST characters are warming pegs either forgot or weren't around for the toy aftermath of ROTJ because it died *quick.* Sure everyone was excited about the Ackbar mail-away figure and the cool carded Biker Scouts before the film was released but as early as 1984 everybody was already off the SW train and going full GI Joe (and/or Transformers.) There's a reason figures from the 1985 POTF line are so valuable today, it's because nobody actually bought them when they came out!

Kenner had all kinds of plans for new figures and playsets but scrapped them because they were just no longer selling. And that was the aftermath of the mighty OT when there was no such thing as internet, smartphones, X-Box's, etc., to lure kids away from toys.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yup post ROTJ things changed rapidly.

But before I go into any further details if anyone has any anti ST/Rian/Kennedy youtube videos they’ll like to share by all means please be my guest.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Star Wars movies are like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. So magical at first but then after becoming commonplace for decades audiences yawn at the attractions and demand more teeth. Rian Johnson gave it to them but like the Indominous Rex it backfired and caused the destruction of half the ticket holders, lol.

Episode IX poster:

*Audiences running screaming from the burning Jedi tree*

"The Saga is Gone."

lol

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Of course SW isn't dead. Not yet. The problem for SW is longevity.

Today's and future generations will not care about the ST/Disney era like us old farts cared about the OT, or the generation that grew up with and care about the PT. So where will it be 20 years from now. Will anyone care, and if they do and still only care about the OT/PT characters, that's sad.

None of the new characters seem to have staying power, or lasting appeal. They are all just meh... There is no new Vader, Luke, Han, Leia.... Kylo is boring, still don't no where Finn actually fits in or who he's supposed to be. Rey with her perfection will never equate to Luke's relatability, growth nor emotional journey. Poe is no Han, Rose is about as like able as Jar Jar. BB-8 was fun until he became a ridiculous hero. The First Order is laughable compared to The Empire.

It's just so bland and uninspiring. No real life lessons to be learned, other than current PC culture which will fade. Neither of my kids like the new stuff, none of my sons (12) friends care much about SW. Even the vehicle designs leave nothing to be desired. But the cgi & visuals are great (other than Yoda...ugh). TFA merch sold better before the movie came out, then floundered after people saw it on screen. Disney will need to reinvent this franchise like every decade. It will not be like the OT and 40+years of loyal fans who share their passion with their kids. Sad, really. No more family bonding over future SW..

The merchandise for the ST just sits and rots. While the OT and even PT characters are still hard to find and go for an arm and a leg once no longer at retail. Just look at the ST HT figures. You can't give them away without huge losses. EVERY character.

Of course this is all MY opinion, which could also change. As could Disney truly seeing their errors and try to fix what they broke and course correct... But also congrats to those that do enjoy and find something to their liking in this new ST era. Unfortunately, so far for me that hasn't happened. I can only thank Disney for RO, as the rest I have already forgotten. Only time will tell, and of course if people keep interest.

See this I can respect, I disagree, but respectfully so.

I would counter that all the PT character easily fall into bland and uninspiring as well, if thats to be the yardstick against the icons of OT.

No character in OT can muster the staying power of OT either...Darth Maul does not hold a candle to Vader....Dooku and Grievous are not fit to wipe the slime from Tarkins boots.

But why is this? It is because OT was a product of its time....and we have all been there and done that, and we can never recapture that magical time in Cinema ever again. I highly doubt another film will come along at the right time socially, economically and creatively as OT did.....




Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I highly doubt another film will come along at the right time socially, economically and creatively as OT did.....

Yep even when another trilogy with a better story and better filmmaking came along (LOTR) it still couldn't touch the cultural impact of the OT. Nothing will in film ever again. Cinema was conquered by the OT and all other film phenomenons will live in its shadow.

For a pop culture event to take the world by storm like the OT did I believe it would have to be in a different medium entirely like the Oasis from Ready Player One or something.

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

None of the new characters seem to have staying power, or lasting appeal. They are all just meh...

They're probably as well done as one could hope for new SW characters, but yeah, I'm just not as emotionally invested in them as I was with the OT characters, and by extension the PT.

This is a major issue. Even if the ST is technically better made than the PT, I just don't care as much about the characters.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yep even when another trilogy with a better story and better filmmaking came along (LOTR) it still couldn't touch the cultural impact of the OT. Nothing will in film ever again. Cinema was conquered by the OT and all other film phenomenons will live in its shadow.

For a pop culture event to take the world by storm like the OT did I believe it would have to be in a different medium entirely like the Oasis from Ready Player One or something.

That is soooo true.

MCU as big as a cinematic cultural event it has become it still did not accomplish what the OT did BUT that’s also because of 77 vs 08.

But that’s not to diminish the impact of the MCU if anything it might be surpassing the cultural impact from the ST, I believe more general audiences are looking forward to the IW2 trailer than IX trailer.

LOTR too niche lol

 

[xipotec]

Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That is soooo true.

MCU as big as a cinematic cultural event it has become it still did not accomplish what the OT did BUT that’s also because of 77 vs 08.

But that’s not to diminish the impact of the MCU if anything it might be surpassing the cultural impact from the ST, I believe more general audiences are looking forward to the IW2 trailer than IX trailer.

LOTR too niche lol

While I agree the MCU has achieved something I never thought possible (making Superhero’s cool and mainstream) it pales in comparison to what the OT did.

When there are disco songs about the MCU and every single kid is buying at new dixie cups with Black Panther on them....and entire products that never existed before are made up JUST for the MCU call me....




Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

But you have to respect that a superhero connected universe has now gone mainstream I have witnessed stiff regular people having freaking discussions about the MCU it’s crazy! Just look at youtube full of teenage girls swooning over Bucky’s eyes.

77 sheesh how did I not get kidnapped and indoctrinated into a cult is beyond me lol

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

But you have to respect that a superhero connected universe has now gone mainstream I have witnessed stiff regular people having freaking discussions about the MCU it’s crazy! Just look at youtube full of teenage girls swooning over Bucky’s eyes.

77 sheesh how did I not get kidnapped and indoctrinated into a cult is beyond me lol

LOL

I agree it is a good time to be a comic book/sci fi/fantasy nerd......

I hope it will last....my gut tells me we are near the end of the second Golden age...



Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That's the thing. LOTR already surpassed the OT in quality and the MCU might have surpassed it in pulling off the seemingly impossible with creating a *20 film franchise* (and counting) that intertwines and escalates until bringing 20 main characters together in what should have been a bloated disaster. The quality of LOTR can't be overstated nor can the accomplishment of the MCU and IW.

But it's all in vain compared to SW OT when you start talking cultural impact. Which is why I find it silly when some people bring up pegwarming action figures for TFA or TLJ as if a.) ROTJ toys didn't pegwarm and b.) the 7th, 8th, or 9th SW film could possibly ever retake the world by storm the way 1st or 2nd film did. It's just never going to happen again. Ever. So it's a false failure to ever put on the ST's shoulders.

I find it best to just not worry about things that can't be repeated and to instead enjoy this amazing era of fantasy, superheroes, and sci-fi that we're currently in.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

But I do agree with what you said it will only happen again when Cameron under Disney gives us the Oasis.

I’ll be 95 and ready.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I wanted to say that SW is actually dead to social media campers but it's really more vital to them than anyone. "suggested videos" lol.

It's weird that twitter/youtube curation isn't recognized as a hobby yet. People still think it's something that matters. It's virtual hoarding.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I wanted to say that SW is actually dead to social media campers but it's really more vital to them than anyone. "suggested videos" lol.

It's weird that twitter/youtube curation isn't recognized as a hobby yet. People still think it's something that matters. It's virtual hoarding.

Yeah TLJ is definitely a bigger part of Vault Boy's life than anyone else here, lol. I though the PT sucked but I sure as hell don't watch videos about them everyday.

But I do agree with what you said it will only happen again when Cameron under Disney gives us the Oasis.

I’ll be 95 and ready.

We won't be 95 in the Oasis though!

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Darth Maul does not hold a candle to Vader....Dooku and Grievous are not fit to wipe the slime from Tarkins boots.

But why is this? It is because OT was a product of its time...

I think it's more than just the OT being a product of its time. The differences in the OT characters and PT characters are much like the differences in the overall movies: they were written better in the OT. To take your Tarkin vs. Dooku example: with Tarkin, you knew exactly what his role was, and could explain it in a simple sentence: high-ranking Imperial in command of the Death Star. But can Dooku's role be described in the same succinct, yet essentially complete, way? And I'm not even going to bother with Grievous. Or with a Maul vs. Vader comparison.

Tarkin's dialogue was better too, and far more memorable because it fit his character perfectly. He was a ruthless, respected, and cocky a-hole who didn't suffer stupidity or insolence; and he was clearly in control. Every line he delivered drove that characterization home. Not so much with Dooku. Was Dooku in charge of anything, or was he merely a puppet? Did he even know what was going on the whole time? What was his actual role?

Both actors were great, but the Tarkin character was like ANH itself: clear, concise, and universally understood. Dooku was too much like the whole PT: convoluted, contrived, and ultimately too empty to merit much respect or have lasting resonance.

Sure, the OT came out at the perfect time to be a cultural phenomenon; but ANH, and the characters it introduced, had to be conceptually powerful enough to capitalize on the time and opportunity. Plenty of other movies could have similarly capitalized on the opportunities of that era, but their concepts and characters weren't as universally appealing as the ones driving the Star Wars story. Then ESB took those elements, and built on them brilliantly.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yeah TLJ is definitely a bigger part of Vault Boy's life than anyone else here, lol. I though the PT sucked but I sure as hell don't watch videos about them everyday.

I've never even watched a youtube vid about TLJ. It's much more entertaining riding my own wave of "F that movie" but "I do kinda think that Yoda scene is a Great Saga Moment."

Why pollute yer feels with clickbait?

/old

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I've never even watched a youtube vid about TLJ. It's much more entertaining riding my own wave of "F that movie" but "I do kinda think that Yoda scene is a Great Saga Moment."

Why pollute yer feels with clickbait?

/old

Remind me where you stand on Solo? I can't remember if your avatar is ironic or not, lol.