Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Luke used the Force to grab his saber in the Wampa cave before he even knew that Yoda existed and long before Vader telekinetically threw things at him in Cloud City.

That explainable he saw old ben use the force to move objects in a new hope. Either way he had way more time to become familiar with the force spending time with actual jedi, he didn't go from "luke skywalker and the force is real, thought it was myth" to mind tricking, moving bolders and yielding lightsabers like a pro overnight. I agree he didn't get a lot of direct training but that wasn't my point, the point is Rey has lightswitch type force powers whereas luke was exposed to these abilities from other jedi well versed in the force before using them, again the only exception being force choke

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That explainable he saw old ben use the force to move objects in a new hope.

Ben didn't use the Force to move any objects in ANH.

Either way he had way more time to become familiar with the force spending time with actual jedi, he didn't go from "luke skywalker and the force is real, thought it was myth" to mind tricking, moving bolders and yielding a lightsabers like a pro overnight

Thinking something is a myth does not equal having no knowledge of it. Luke and the ways of the Jedi were obviously very famous at the time of TFA. Rey just didn't believe that the stories were true until she met Finn and Kylo Ren. And as Yoda says success or failure often comes down to belief.

Luke was the one who'd never even heard of the Force prior to his first teaching but not Rey.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

If Lucas could use a drone to direct he would lol

Annnnnd Action!

Little drone flys by the actors heads. [/QUOTE

Filmmaking is great except for all the damn people involved.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Ben didn't use the Force to move any objects in ANH.



Thinking something is a myth does not equal having no knowledge of it. Luke and the ways of the Jedi were obviously very famous at the time of TFA. Rey just didn't believe that the stories were true until she met Finn and Kylo Ren. And as Yoda says success or failure often comes down to belief.

Luke was the one who'd never even heard of the Force prior to his first teaching but not Rey.

Yes he did, on the death star. Rey never had any teachings before she used the force in tfa. She hadnt even met a jedi at that point. Han solo and maz dont count as jedii lol. She met a lightsaber and instantly became force imbued big difference from luke

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yes he did, on the death star.

Incorrect. If you believe otherwise then name the scene.

Rey never had any teachings before she used the force in tfa. She hadnt even met a jedi at that point. Han solo and maz dont count as jedii lol. She met a lightsaber and instantly became force imbued big difference from luke

Maz knows the ways of the Force (she literally said as much) and described how to use it to Rey. It's the literal definition of a teaching.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Incorrect. If you believe otherwise then name the scene.



Maz knows the ways of the Force (she literally said as much) and described how to use it to Rey. It's the literal definition of a teaching.

Here is one scene where he uses force to move object to distract stormtroopers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=stA4h-I7PmM. Clip has stupid added sound effects, didn’t feel like wasting anymore time searching for a better one. Maz saying she knows the ways of the force is equivalent to Han Solo saying it’s real. She didn’t teach her a thing she just said the dumb saber was calling to her and to look to the future and forget about the past

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Here is one scene where he uses force to move object to distract stormtroopers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=stA4h-I7PmM. Clip has stupid added sound effects, didn’t feel like wasting anymore time searching for a better one.

Ben didn't move anything. There was nothing in the hall behind the Stormtroopers and no sound was made. He planted the thought in their minds that they heard something. Sorry bud but you seem pretty confused as to what happened in the films, when they happened and who was involved. You make a supposition that Luke knew how to move the lightsaber in the Wampa cave because he remembered:

1. Yoda's teachings about lifting rocks and X-Wings.
2. Vader using telekinesis in Cloud City.
3. Ben moving things around on the Death Star in scenes where Ben was neither moving anything nor was Luke even present in the scenes you describe.

That's a pretty profound lack of recollection for even the most basic sequence of events from film to film IMO.

Maz saying she knows the ways of the force is equivalent to Han Solo saying it’s real. She didn’t teach her a thing she just said the dumb saber was calling to her and to look to the future and forget about the past

I'm not trying to be rude but again in my mind you seem to have such a limited recollection as to what was said and done on screen that I don't see much point in continuing the debate.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Ben didn't move anything. There was nothing in the hall behind the Stormtroopers and no sound was made. He planted the thought in their minds that they heard something. Sorry bud but you seem pretty confused as to what happened in the films, when they happened who was involved. You make a supposition that Luke knew how to move the lightsaber in the Wampa cave because he remembered:

1. Yoda's teachings about lifting rocks and X-Wings.
2. Vader using telekinesis in Cloud City.
3. Ben moving things around on the Death Star in scenes where Ben was neither moving anything nor was Luke even present in the scenes you describe.

That's a pretty profound lack of recollection for even the most basic sequence of events from film to film.



I'm not trying to be rude but again in my mind you seem to have such a limited recollection as to what was said and done on screen that I don't see much point in continuing the debate.

Aight man they didn’t have the effects back then it’s implied he moved something.. lol he wasn’t implanting sounds in their minds, and if he was using mind trick he would have used words.. If you can’t see a difference between rey lightswitch force powers and luke that’s on you. Instead you attack me on a personal level.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Aight man they didn’t have the effects back then it’s implied he moved something.. lol he wasn’t impanting sounds in their minds. If you can’t see a difference between rey lightswitch force powers and luke that’s on you. Instead you attack me on a personal level.

Sorry if it came across that way, I just didn't know how else to put that I think that your recollection of the films is way off. It doesn't make you a jerk or a troll by any means, I'm not accusing, just saying that I don't think you remember the films very well. We all forget things though, no big.

For a second you really did have me wondering if I had totally spaced out on Ben moving something on the Death Star with the Force and if you want to interpret that there was some off-screen object that he made bang around (despite no object being seen or heard) then that's fine. But even with that interpretation of what Ben did Luke was still not even present in the scene. Literally all he had to go on in the Wampa cave when it came to the lightsaber was "reach out with your feelings, let go, act on instinct," etc. Incredibly vague stuff. Just as vague as Maz telling Rey to "just let it in."

I'm not saying that there's only one way to interpret these films or that my interpretation of certain ambiguous things is the "correct" one but there are things that are *not* ambiguous and one of them is that Luke did something in the Wampa cave that nothing on screen prior had ever even indicated was possible. That's why I don't have a problem with Rey coming up with the right Force trick at exactly the right time in Starkiller Base.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Sorry if it came across that way, I just didn't know how else to put that I think that your recollection of the films is way off. It doesn't make you a jerk or a troll by any means, I'm not accusing, just saying that I don't think you remember the films very well. We all forget things though, no big.

Your making things up, what force power did ben use there? Please tell me what you call it lol

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I added to my previous response. I'll refrain from responding to your snide comment until you read the rest. Sounds like this conversation has run it's course but I'll wait to see if you want to add anything with my additional comments in mind.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I added to my previous response. I'll refrain from responding to your snide comment until you read the rest. Sounds like this conversation has run it's course but I'll wait to see if you want to add anything with my additional comments in mind.

You said he implanted sounds into their minds, it’s new force power that’s for sure. Isn’t it more plausible based on his hand motion that he actually moved a small object. Since that’s an established Jedi power whereas this one your talking about is not i had never heard of that force power and was hoping you could tell me it’s name

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You said he implanted sounds into their minds, it’s new force power that’s for sure. Isn’t it more plausible based on his hand motion that he actually moved a small object. Since that’s an established Jedi power whereas this one your talking about is not

Did you watch Star Wars in 1977? (Not a snide question, I'm genuinely curious.) Nobody was actually physically moving objects from Point A to Point B in that film. That came three years later in ESB. The only thing that was established in the first film was that Ben could make weird monster sounds, mess with Stormtroopers heads and turn into a ghost. The "what was that, ah it's nothing" played like him just getting in their heads again. This was a film that had a prolonged sequence with a floating training remote so they could have moved something on screen if they wanted and it would have been even easier to add in some simple audio of an object making noise that the Troopers heard. But they did neither. Nothing was shown and nothing was heard, all we got was the Troopers' reactions so I would say that the most logical assumption was that he planted a sound in their heads.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Clearly hes not seen the films....

And Ben moved nothing, he planted the distraction in the troopers minds.

Either way Luke was no where near Ben in that scene. So he couldn’t have learned anything from him in that instance.

Dude must be trolling you cause no self respecting SW fan would not know these basics.

Luke is just as big a Mary Sue as Rey, but since its the crux of many people ST hate they will never see it.

The force? Whats that? 1 day later uses it to destroy the biggest station ever created in an impossible shot.....yea I know wamp rats....T-16......

But the director clearly wanted us to think it was the Force he used to make the shot.....not his previous target practice.

Wampa cave same deal.....

And his week vacation in Dagobah..... and by the last films opening he’s a Jedi Master.....yeah definitely not a Mary Sue....



Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Did you watch Star Wars in 1977? (Not a snide question, I'm genuinely curious.) Nobody was actually physically moving objects from Point A to Point B in that film. The only thing that was established in *that* film was that Ben could mess with Stormtroopers heads and turn into a ghost. The "what was that, ah it's nothing" played like him just getting in their heads again. This was a film that had a prolonged sequence with a floating training remote. They could have moved something on screen if they wanted and it would have been even easier to add in some simple audio of an object making noise that the Troopers heard. But they did neither. Nothing was shown and nothing was heard, all we got was the Troopers' reactions so I would say that the most logical assumption was that he planted a sound in their heads.

They did t have the ability to do those effects in a believable visual way in 1977, lol it was always implied he used the force to move object they couldn’t show it.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Implanting the sound does seem more plausible for when he scares the Tuskens away - moreso than him actually making that sound.....

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Clearly hes not seen the films....

And Ben moved nothing, he planted the distraction in the troopers minds.

Either way Luke was no where near Ben in that scene. So he couldn’t have learned anything from him in that instance.

Dude must be trolling you cause no self respecting SW fan would not know these basics.

Luke is just as big a Mary Sue as Rey, but since its the crux of many people ST hate they will never see it.

The force? Whats that? 1 day later uses it to destroy the biggest station ever created in an impossible shot.....yea I know wamp rats....T-16......

But the director clearly wanted us to think it was the Force he used to make the shot.....not his previous target practice.

Wampa cave same deal.....



And his week vacation in Dagobah..... and by the last films opening he’s a Jedi Master.....yeah definitely not a Mary Sue....



Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

Tfl lovers are hardcore I’m out.. whatever you guys say.. he just asked me for scene where ben used that power so posted it but now you guys calling it something else cause you couldn’t see the rock or whatever it was move. So it’s more believable he used a power no other Jedi usedbefore

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

They did t have the ability to do those effects in a believable visual way in 1977, lol it was always implied he used the force to move object they couldn’t show it.

So your belief is that the 1977 film "Star Wars" was incapable of showing a small object moving on screen. Let's just say we disagree on that one.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

skywalker i’m perfectly fine if you thought he moved something but if I may present firm evidence that he didn’t it was all mind control here is Ben ****ing with dummies earlier in the movie see his hand:

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So your belief is that the 1977 film "Star Wars" was incapable of showing a small object moving on screen. Let's just say we disagree on that one.

After watching that lightsaber fight yes