Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Interesting debate. So I decided to check....

I actually have all 7 Star Wars movies (Ep I - VI & RO, TFA & TLJ don't exist ) on my phone so I can watch them anytime. I just watched the scene real quick, and sorry to say, you actually do here a bang, more like a boom, after Obi-Wan does his hand gesture before the Troopers respond with "What was that?". (1.26.55 time) Now this is the bluray versions, not the original Harmy despecialized, so wonder if it was added or is indeed on the original as well. I'll check that out later.

Interesting. I don't watch the SE's so now you have me curious as to whether a sound was added. I just popped in the Team Negative 1 scan of the 1977 35mm print and there is no sound. Are you sure you aren't just hearing the audible "click" that is made by the Troopers' helmet mics at the end of each of their sentences? Either way I'm going to dig out the 2011 blu-rays because now I want to see if it was yet another lame "enhancement" that George made to the SE's.

EDIT: Holy crap they totally added another sound to the SE's. One additional click in addition to the Troopers' clicking helmet mics. LAAAAAME, lol. Still just a click though and plays as if Ben just used the Force to make an audible noise (like the monster cry) as opposed to moving something telekinetically. I don't know how you guys can watch that Special Edition crap, lol.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Interesting. I don't watch the SE's so now you have me curious as to whether a sound was added. I just popped in the Team Negative 1 scan of the 1977 35mm print and there is no sound. Are you sure you aren't just hearing the audible "click" that is made by the Troopers' helmet mics at the end of each of their sentences? Either way I'm going to dig out the 2011 blu-rays because now I want to see if it was yet another lame "enhancement" that George made to the SE's.

No, definitely a loud bang. I was surprised too, as I don't remember a sound either. I watched it several times over and over. And I have a Samsung Galaxy S9+ that has very loud stereo speakers. It is most definitely there.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yep, I updated my post. Definitely an extra sound was added as one of George's many revisions.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Also just watched Harmy's Despecialized Version, no extra sound there either. Totally added for the SE.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The Star Wars SE's, the gift that keeps on giving....

Thanks George!!!

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Wow....

Never heard any sounds at al there.....

GL needs to stop messing about!

Nice research and a great civil conversation....


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Did we actually discover a previously unreported alteration?

Well done loki!

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Did we actually discover a previously unreported alteration?

Well done loki!

............

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Incidentally , one of my favorite lines in the entire trilogy.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Kennedy’s contract has been renewed by Disney

She survived the Solo bullet!

IX better do good.

 

[Caped Baldy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Kennedy’s contract has been renewed by Disney

She survived the Solo bullet!

IX better do good.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Say what you want about Kennedy....shes hired what we all assumed would be good talent...

Thats her job....

And over the past 20 years shes done an amazing job.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Kennedy’s contract has been renewed by Disney

She survived the Solo bullet!

IX better do good.

...... .....

Bob Iger didn't have the balls to let her go with all the BS in the media between #metoo and the feminazi's all over Social Media.....

3 more years to boot...

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I think this renew is all part of a “soft” way out.

I was about to say that 3 years isn’t that long in cinema time frame but then I thought about what Feige accomplished just this year lol

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Interesting. I don't watch the SE's so now you have me curious as to whether a sound was added. I just popped in the Team Negative 1 scan of the 1977 35mm print and there is no sound. Are you sure you aren't just hearing the audible "click" that is made by the Troopers' helmet mics at the end of each of their sentences? Either way I'm going to dig out the 2011 blu-rays because now I want to see if it was yet another lame "enhancement" that George made to the SE's.

EDIT: Holy crap they totally added another sound to the SE's. One additional click in addition to the Troopers' clicking helmet mics. LAAAAAME, lol. Still just a click though and plays as if Ben just used the Force to make an audible noise (like the monster cry) as opposed to moving something telekinetically. I don't know how you guys can watch that Special Edition crap, lol.

You're the only OT purist i've talked to that loves the ST "revisions/changes" but hates the ones GL did to the original movies. I already know what your response will be, they didnt change the final product after theatrical release, so there not technically revisions but common you know what i mean here. GL has said countless times he didn't have access to the effects required to do certain things when filming the OT so he added what he intended to always be there after the fact when the technology became available. Its also why that scene in the book was written so vaguely. Whether you and I like it or not isn't relevant. It's what he originally envisioned for the films. In any case, you trashed me for not being able to recall the movies, but your interpretation of what happened in that scene turned out to be different, and there is nothing wrong with that. Its ok to have a different point of view, and like you pointed out to me you can believe what you want to believe. Maybe in the future though, reserve questioning someones understanding and recollection of something when it simply doesn't agree with your own until doing some research yourself; and then maybe not proceed to hammer them with your point of view as if its the gospel or something, when it can be viewed in different ways (like what he did in that scene). Honestly, i don't have access to the "Team negative 1 Scan" version that you have, where there is supposedly no audible sound, but i'd love for you to attach a video of your version of that scene with volume cranked full up. I believe the sound was always there, it may not have been as loud as in the special additions but it was always there. I remember hearing it as a kid on the original vhs which was not a special edition. Cheers. Again i have no hard feeling but damn dude you definitely don't like it when people don't agree with your interpretation of something lol

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You're the only OT purist i've talked to that loves the ST "revisions/changes" but hates the ones GL did to the original movies. I already know what your response will be, they didnt change the final product after theatrical release, so there not technically revisions but common you know what i mean here. GL has said countless times he didn't have access to the effects required to do certain things when filming the OT so he added what he intended to always be there after the fact when the technology became available. Its also why that scene in the book was written so vaguely. Whether you and I like it or not isn't relevant. It's what he originally envisioned for the films. In any case, you trashed me for not being able to recall the movies, but you turned out to be wrong with what happened in that scene, and there is nothing wrong with that. Its ok to be wrong, and like you pointed out to me you can believe what you want to believe. Maybe in the future though, reserve questioning someones understanding and recollection of something when it simply doesn't agree with your own until doing some research yourself; and then maybe not proceed to hammer them with your point of view as if its the gospel or something, when it can be viewed in different ways (like what he did in that scene). Honestly, i don't have access to the "Team negative 1 Scan" version that you have, where there is supposedly no audible sound, but i'd love for you to attach a video of your version of that scene with volume cranked full up. I believe the sound was always there, it may not have been as loud as in the special additions but it was always there. I remember hearing it as a kid on the original vhs which was not a special edition. Cheers. Again i have no hard feeling but damn dude you definitely don't like it when people don't agree with your interpretation of something lol

Nope, reviewing the scene from the original theatrical release that existed for 20+ years only proved that I was correct. No movement or sound. The script back that up as well. I don't come at any of these discussions from the perspective of the "new" SE canons with all of George's revised crap. I wasn't aware that there was a change, you're right on that, but again, your supposition that Ben moved an object from Point A to B as opposed to a mind trick (original SW) or a manufactured sound (SE) is not substantiated by what's on film in either instance.

Also the whole reason we were even having this discussion was because you believed that Luke was actually with Ben at the tractor beam and thereby witnessed the event which then led him to knowing how to lift the saber in the Wampa cave. I don't know how even you can see that as anything other than an absolutely profound lack of recollection as to what actually occurred on film. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, I just don't know any other way to put it.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Nope, reviewing the scene from the original theatrical release that existed for 20+ years only proved that I was correct. I don't come at any of these discussions from the perspective of the "new" SE canons. I wasn't aware that there was a change, you're right on that, but again, your supposition that Ben moved an object from Point A to B as opposed to a mind trick (original SW) or a manufactured sound (SE) is substantiated by what's on film in either instance.

Also the whole reason we were even having this discussion was because you believed that Luke was *actually with Ben at the tractor beam* and thereby witnessed the event which then led him to knowing how to lift the saber in the Wampa cave. I don't know how even you can see that as anything other than an absolutely profound lack of recollection as to what actually occurred on film. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings, I just don't know any other way to put it.

No the whole reason we are having this discussion is because you said Rey's journey was like Luke's, it was nothing like luke's. Rey touched a lightsaber and became force imbued, there was no training or learning from another jedi, it turned on like a light switch. Also you quoted my post before i edited it.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

No the whole reason we are having this discussion is because you said Rey's journey was like Luke's

I literally said that Luke and Rey were polar opposites in their awareness of the Force and Jedi prior to being trained as well as what they witnessed before doing their first tricks but we're having this discussion because I said "Rey's journey was like Luke's?" I'm sorry man, I just think there's simply too much that you aren't comprehending both in the films and what's being said in this discussion. Again, not trying to be mean, but I just don't think it's worth the time to keep trying to get through to you.

Nothing personal, I think we just aren't meant to have this discussion so I'll let you continue on with the other folks here. Peace out.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I literally said that Luke and Rey were polar opposites in their awareness of the Force and Jedi prior to being trained as well as what they witnessed before doing their first tricks but we're having this discussion because I said "Rey's journey was like Luke's?" I'm sorry man, I just think there's simply too much that you aren't comprehending both in the films and what's being said in this discussion. Again, not trying to be mean, but I just don't think it's worth the time to keep trying to get through to you.

Nothing personal, I think we just aren't meant to have this discussion so I'll let you continue on with the other folks here. Peace out.

Lol another pretentious post not surprised... Im not going to waste anytime quoting all your post defending the ST specifically explaining how rey is so strong in the force, her training how she picked up on mind trick, or its even believable why she can do what she does within star wars lore

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Kiss it goodbye, folks. RJ did too good of a job deconstructing the IP. Everything people love about it and everything people expect to see in a SW film. The only exceptions were the aesthetics and the sound. Hence the split in the fandom. Visually based filmmaking with a Postmodernist take on Star Wars.