Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That PT wouldn't quite work for me. Even if I allow for each film following completely different sets of main characters doing unrelated things I would want further clarification on how the Empire comes about, more than you can get from TPM alone.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Fair enough. But Old Ben's broad telling of the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire was all I ever needed during the OT and so it can just stay that way. TPM introduces a high society that seemingly ends well except for the foreboding concern on the part of Yoda regarding Anakin's training. Skip ahead 20 years to "Solo" and we see that *something* horrible has happened to throw the galaxy into such an oppressive state. We get introduced to new characters and groups (young Solo, CG Leia, the Empire, the Alliance, etc.) and then see how they all come to a head in ANH.

Not only does it work well enough for me but it also preserves the mystery of Darth Vader's identity until ESB, as it properly should IMO.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That PT wouldn't quite work for me. Even if I allow for each film following completely different sets of main characters doing unrelated things I would want further clarification on how the Empire comes about, more than you can get from TPM alone.

There are really only three storylines that the prequels would be needed for: 1.) the rise of the Empire; 2.) the fall of Anakin; and 3.) the circumstances of Luke & Leia being born, and being hidden. TPM has little to offer on those story points. It's AOTC and ROTS that actually flesh that stuff out.

I don't think anyone would've objected to starting the prequels off with a Chancellor Palpatine, and going from there. We didn't need to see kid Anakin in order to make sense of AOTC's teenage Anakin in Jedi training. Even Padme gets introduced thoroughly enough as a Senator in need of protection. Outside of Anakin calling her a Queen at one point, I don't remember her TPM role ever even being addressed in the next two movies.

As for explaining the Luke and Leia element, I will never stop regretting that Lucas didn't follow his own script (at least his ROTJ one):



That explanation from his script actually made it into the ROTJ novelization, so many of us grew up believing it. I never read the novel myself, but older kids who did would relay the info to the rest of us.

And it works better on so many levels. Not the least of which is the fact that changing things in the actual PT means that Darth Vader may have wanted further revenge for what happened to his mother. His next target would be those Lars in-laws of his who failed to protect her. If he went after them (a reasonable suspicion), Luke was deliberately put in those crosshairs. Plus, Anakin wouldn't need to be from Tatooine - which works well for many reasons too.

 

[Sachiel]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Not the least of which is the fact that changing things in the actual PT means that Darth Vader may have wanted further revenge for what happened to his mother. His next target would be those Lars in-laws of his who failed to protect her. If he went after them (a reasonable suspicion), Luke was deliberately put in those crosshairs.

Not really. He had no reason to go after them. He was done with Tatooine. He was a completely broken man after what happened in ROTS. Going back to Tatooine wouldn't have helped any.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Not really. He had no reason to go after them. He was done with Tatooine. He was a completely broken man after what happened in ROTS. Going back to Tatooine wouldn't have helped any.

You may be right, but I don't think that discounting revenge against the Lars should be a given. For me, that's what makes the (unnecessary) connection to Anakin and his mom a particularly strange choice . . . considering there was already an alternate explanation written into a script in the early 1980's that would've avoided the problem altogether.

A Sith becomes a Sith with the festering of hate. To keep Vader a reliable one, Palpatine's "let the hate flow" would likely be reinforced in those early post-ROTS days. You don't think all that hate could tempt Anakin/Vader to lash out at those who didn't take proper care of one of the only people he ever truly cared for? Or at least have that possibility be a reasonable concern for Yoda or Kenobi!?

And Vader would've had lots of time to kill (literally). Palpatine didn't need Vader for much more than hunting down remaining Jedi. Vader wasn't military strategy; that was Tarkin. Vader wasn't an official involved in galactic politics on the Empire's behalf. He was a Sith. A dark lord there to keep Palpatine free of Jedi interference, and to be an enforcer against upstart rebellions. He was allowed, if not encouraged, to pursue hate-fueled endeavors.

All I'm saying is that anywhere other than a place directly connected to Anakin would have been a better choice to keep Luke. Tatooine was exactly that for two decades as far as we knew. And would have continued to be exactly that if the explanation Lucas came up with back in the 80's would have been preserved for the PT. I think it would've made much more sense, that's all.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

There are really only three storylines that the prequels would be needed for: 1.) the rise of the Empire; 2.) the fall of Anakin; and 3.) the circumstances of Luke & Leia being born, and being hidden. TPM has little to offer on those story points. It's AOTC and ROTS that actually flesh that stuff out.

I don't think anyone would've objected to starting the prequels off with a Chancellor Palpatine, and going from there. We didn't need to see kid Anakin in order to make sense of AOTC's teenage Anakin in Jedi training. Even Padme gets introduced thoroughly enough as a Senator in need of protection. Outside of Anakin calling her a Queen at one point, I don't remember her TPM role ever even being addressed in the next two movies.

As for explaining the Luke and Leia element, I will never stop regretting that Lucas didn't follow his own script (at least his ROTJ one):

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That explanation from his script actually made it into the ROTJ novelization, so many of us grew up believing it. I never read the novel myself, but older kids who did would relay the info to the rest of us.

And it works better on so many levels. Not the least of which is the fact that changing things in the actual PT means that Darth Vader may have wanted further revenge for what happened to his mother. His next target would be those Lars in-laws of his who failed to protect her. If he went after them (a reasonable suspicion), Luke was deliberately put in those crosshairs. Plus, Anakin wouldn't need to be from Tatooine - which works well for many reasons too.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Nice feet lol

If I only had a-dev’s head in my possession

I used to

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019




Khev and ajp's posts are worth responding to but rest, rest I need, yes, rest.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Somewhat promising news about the Episode IX timeline.

In the new Empire magazine John Boyega confirms that Episode IX takes place roughly

Spoiler

one year after TLJ. I do wish that it would have even more of a gap to allow for Rey's skills to be further honed but I'm glad that it doesn't just pick up immediately after TLJ.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So

32 year gap
Same day gap
1 year gap

Sheesh lol

 

[xipotec]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I figured this is the best place to post this without starting a new thread. I’ve been following the development of this fan film for the past 6 months or so, and it turned out pretty decent imo. Definitely check it out. Give this guy the attention he deserves.

Impressive.....most impressive.

BUT

Overall....writing as bad as the PT. I mean, I get its a adventure serial .....but how hard is it to write dialogue that does not sound stupid.

Like most fan films it relies WAY to much on things we have already seen. Even borrowing exact lines....thats just lazy.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Wish it picked up at Rey handing the light saber to Luke on the island again.

I can hear the applauds right now.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Khev and ajp's posts are worth responding to but rest, rest I need, yes, rest.

Don't worry, a-dev; you go ahead and get your rest. I'll respond on your behalf with what I'm sure will be your exact sentiments. No need to thank me; 'tis the holiday season, after all.

To Khev: You are the most knowledgeable and insightful SW fan on this forum, so your willingness to accept Jar Jar, Boss Nass, pod race announcing, Jake Lloyd, a perpetually-smiling young Han Solo, and cyborg Maul - in spite of all of their shortcomings - has inspired me! I will now start embracing the ST. You've really helped put into perspective for me how to appreciate SW stories, even if they're not perfect. Thanks, Khev!

To ajp: What can I say, man? You're 100% right yet again! Flawless logic, impeccable judgment, and profound insights. What else is new, right? But you might want to consider making your posts longer. I like it when I reach an ajp4mgs post and know that I get to sit back and spend a nice half-hour reading your thoughts and musings every time. A little bit more would only get a little bit better. Keep up the great work!

And to jye: When you wrote, "If I only had a-dev’s head in my possession" . . . that's kinda creepy. But, if you'd had a typo or two in there, it could've been even creepier. For both of us!

Well, I'm off now to watch some good ol' American football. It's so much better than the lame game we call "football" over here in Europe. So, a-dev out.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Epic post is epic lol

Man the Emperor’s voice in that fan film was really bad

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Wish it picked up at Rey handing the light saber to Luke on the island again.

I can hear the applauds right now.

A time travel Star Wars film in the same vein as BTTFII where it takes the audience back to horrors of The Last Jedi, but makes everything right?!? Brilliant!

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hey welcome back, DiFabio!

I was just thinking of you a few days ago, wondering where you be this holiday season.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Don't worry, a-dev; you go ahead and get your rest. I'll respond on your behalf with what I'm sure will be your exact sentiments. No need to thank me; 'tis the holiday season, after all.

To Khev: You are the most knowledgeable and insightful SW fan on this forum, so your willingness to accept Jar Jar, Boss Nass, pod race announcing, Jake Lloyd, a perpetually-smiling young Han Solo, and cyborg Maul - in spite of all of their shortcomings - has inspired me! I will now start embracing the ST. You've really helped put into perspective for me how to appreciate SW stories, even if they're not perfect. Thanks, Khev!

To ajp: What can I say, man? You're 100% right yet again! Flawless logic, impeccable judgment, and profound insights. What else is new, right? But you might want to consider making your posts longer. I like it when I reach an ajp4mgs post and know that I get to sit back and spend a nice half-hour reading your thoughts and musings every time. A little bit more would only get a little bit better. Keep up the great work!

And to jye: When you wrote, "If I only had a-dev’s head in my possession" . . . that's kinda creepy. But, if you'd had a typo or two in there, it could've been even creepier. For both of us!

Well, I'm off now to watch some good ol' American football. It's so much better than the lame game we call "football" over here in Europe. So, a-dev out.

Tried to rep but I haven't repped enough other people apparently. The rep thing has really had its day I guess.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019



Your post is so wizard, aji!

#kitsteriscanon

lol

Wish it picked up at Rey handing the light saber to Luke on the island again.

I can hear the applauds right now.

Holy crap, can you imagine, lol.

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I don't think anyone would've objected to starting the prequels off with a Chancellor Palpatine, and going from there. We didn't need to see kid Anakin in order to make sense of AOTC's teenage Anakin in Jedi training.

At the time I put it down to differentiating from the OT, so Luke and Anakin's stories didn't start at the same point.

Also, the immaculate conception plot point helped justify showing him as a kid with his mom.