Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[abake]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Actually, I think that is one of the problems with the ST, it doesn't give enough importance to the Skywalkers. Like it or not, the main SW story is about the Skywalkers. I'm fine with the idea of passing on the torch or whatever, but you have to keep the Skywalkers at the center of things, and I think they didn't do it very well.

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

This "anybody can be a hero" theme is starting to permeate superhero universes too. Which kinda defeats the purpose of superheroes as role models and aspirational figures.

Guess it's the logical end result of the age where everyone gets their 15 minutes of fame.

 

[abake]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Indeed.
I think it was the villain in The Incredibles who said that saying everybody is special is the same as saying nobody is?

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

"Anybody can be a hero" /= "everyone is a hero."

Luke wasn't a hero because of his bloodline in the original SW.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I've seen a few videos where fans tried to incorporate scenes from the PT as flashbacks during OT scenes ("Obi-Wan has PTSD," etc.) and to me they always fall flat because cutting back and forth between real actors like Sir Alec Guinness and video game looking Clones just never works.

But this new short from that online Disney series might be the best attempt yet. Highly stylized but it really gives new depth to just who and what Luke was up against standing in that ROTJ throne room all by himself:



When I saw the preview for these shorts I thought they looked terrible but I've ended up enjoying them all.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Those are made for children.

 

[generalszabo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Actually, I think that is one of the problems with the ST, it doesn't give enough importance to the Skywalkers. Like it or not, the main SW story is about the Skywalkers. I'm fine with the idea of passing on the torch or whatever, but you have to keep the Skywalkers at the center of things, and I think they didn't do it very well.

I think the main problem is that there aren't enough wars in the stars (ie epic space fights). It's called star wars after all...

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I think they should of just took more risk tbh instead of trying to please the OT fans. TLJ took risk in the wrong ways. I'm talking actually make a film about the rebuilding of the jedi

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I've seen a few videos where fans tried to incorporate scenes from the PT as flashbacks during OT scenes ("Obi-Wan has PTSD," etc.) and to me they always fall flat because cutting back and forth between real actors like Sir Alec Guinness and video game looking Clones just never works.

But this new short from that online Disney series might be the best attempt yet. Highly stylized but it really gives new depth to just who and what Luke was up against standing in that ROTJ throne room all by himself:



When I saw the preview for these shorts I thought they looked terrible but I've ended up enjoying them all.

Those are better than the entire CW cgi series lol

 

[abake]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

"Anybody can be a hero" /= "everyone is a hero."

Luke wasn't a hero because of his bloodline in the original SW.

No, but the point I was trying to make earlier is that the SW Saga is about the Skywalkers, and trying to belittle their role as central to the story probably is a mistake.

Take the "special bloodline" idea, for example. As a filmmaker, you decide that is hampering your story, you need to break out of that mould to "hand on the torch", as it were. Still, you have to address that idea somehow, because the earlier movies have cemented it. Ever since the third installment, all the movies have told you that there's something special about this family and its abilities in the force, so you can't just ignore it.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

GL himself sidelined the Skywalkers in his treatments for IX.

If you want a Skywalker central trilogy then just watch the OT I mean you can’t expect the OT actors at their ages to be the central plot AGAIN can you and even then they weren’t ignored as you claim they were.

If anything Luke Skywalker has been at the core of the ST so far.

 

[abake]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Well,as I said, it's fine to hand on the torch, my point is, they didn't do a good enough job of it.
I think TFA set it up more or less right: Kylo Ren is strong in the force, he is impulsive, his emotions usually get the better of him. Good traits for a Skywalker. But then in TLJ Rian tried to make too much of a point of "subverting expectations", so you start losing focus on the Skywalker Saga, which, after all, is what the main movies are, or at least should be, about. IMHO.
Again, if you want to pass on the torch, that's fine, I'm all for it, but you have to have the Skywalkers at the center of it. Maybe the "passing of the torch" is from Kylo (Skywalker) to Rey (non-Skywalker) because the Skywalker line went bust. Who knows? But so far, I feel they haven't handled it well.
If the Skywalkers aren't in some way central to the story (not the action, mind you), you might as well just do A Star Wars Story movies...

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Those are better than the entire CW cgi series lol

Literally! lol

As usual I thought the ads for Resistance looked sweet and "Galaxy of Adventures" looked stupid. Then I watched about five minutes of Resistance and thought it sucked and am really enjoying these GOA shorts, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Literally! lol

As usual I thought the ads for Resistance looked sweet and "Galaxy of Adventures" looked stupid. Then I watched about five minutes of Resistance and thought it sucked and am really enjoying these GOA shorts, lol.

Yup I was completely surprised by them and once again Disney made elements from the PT seem cool.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Such a shame that George had to direct the PT, particularly AOTC and ROTS. There's some great story and ideas buried under all the terrible execution.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Such a shame that George had to direct the PT, particularly AOTC and ROTS. There's some great story and ideas buried under all the terrible execution.

Did you say.....execution...

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Exactly.

Imagine how much more intense Anakin's duel with Obi-Wan would have been if we had just witnessed him personally dispatching (without help) the Jedi Council members who spoke against him instead of the clones doing all the heavy lifting. Yes slaughtering a roomful of unarmed kids made "eeeevil" but where's the "badass" factor in that? Nowhere.

Imagine Christian Bale as Anakin in AOTC and ROTS (I know, I know, people are sick of him now after the TDK movies but he would have been awesome back then) and then just keeping the same structure of the films but doing every "important" scene (Anakin's turn, Jedi purge, Clone War battle featuring real actors in suits) *correctly.*

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Exactly.

Imagine how much more intense Anakin's duel with Obi-Wan would have been if we had just witnessed him personally dispatching (without help) the Jedi Council members who spoke against him instead of the clones doing all the heavy lifting. Yes slaughtering a roomful of unarmed kids made "eeeevil" but where's the "badass" factor in that? Nowhere.

Imagine Christian Bale as Anakin in AOTC and ROTS (I know, I know, people are sick of him now after the TDK movies but he would have been awesome back then) and then just keeping the same structure of the films but doing every "important" scene (Anakin's turn, Jedi purge, Clone War battle featuring real actors in suits) *correctly.*

It’s baffling to me how someone could read this post and yet continue to defend the PT especially when fans of the PT use the PT as their main tool for criticizing the ST.

Yes at the end of the day if IX doesn’t hit a triple homerun will the ST go down in history as a failure to properly deal with the 32 year gap post ROTJ victory, more than likely yes.

But it won’t be a failure any worse than what the PT were.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The Anakin vs Obi Wan fight was awesome tho.

Spoiler

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019