Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Khev]

Probably the Benioff/Weiss trilogy.

Or Rian Johnson's....

 

[rushmore223]

Or Rian Johnson's....

Well, if that's true, see you guys in 2027!

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[Wor-Gar]

As I pointed out last year, adjusted for inflation... AOTC made over a BILLION DOLLARS globally.

And given it's from 2002, that is REALLY saying something, given that most films today have China and the other BRIC mega-nations (Russia, Brazil and India) making up a third or more of their overseas portion, NONE of which existed as major BO markets in 2002 (China will contribute $600m to AEG's global gross.)

Had those markets been on line in 2002, AOTC might have made another $300m (which is a low estimate based on the fact China doesn't like SW.)

Not sure what this has to do with the posts you responded to... but a lot of bad movies have crossed the billion dollar mark.

Avatar.... Alice in Wonderland... Furious 7... Transformers Extinction... Fallen Kingdom... Aquaman...

Look at the Top 39 right now... all crossed a billion, and a lot of dreck in there.

 

[ironwez20]

Including TLJ. If that movie can cross a billion as well as transformers then any movie can.

 

[TaliBane]

Not sure what this has to do with the posts you responded to... but a lot of bad movies have crossed the billion dollar mark.

Avatar.... Alice in Wonderland... Furious 7... Transformers Extinction... Fallen Kingdom... Aquaman...

Look at the Top 39 right now... all crossed a billion, and a lot of dreck in there.

Your point was that AOTC wasn't just bad, that it was beyond embarrassing. "On its own level" bad. That a movie that repeatedly elicits that kind of reaction, and gets general agreement from everyone (few if any people defend AOTC at all,) made over a billion globally is very pertinent.

That's because some on here consider TLJ to be THAT bad (I most definitely don't) while others defend it by saying that TLJ earned over a billion globally as "proof" that it was accepted by fans and the public. AOTC was also - like TLJ - the "middle film of a SW trilogy", so it does bear BO comparison. Yet AOTC - with its unique level badness - in all likelihood would have earned MORE than TLJ adjusted if the BO markets had been equal.

And those movies you mention like Avatar, Fallen Kingdom and AiW aren't AOTC kind of bad. Aquaman though...

But yeah - MINIONS made over a billion globally. We're at point where "Toilet Paper - The Movie" would earn over a billion globally (hey, it's familiar and everyone grew up with it!)

Cue the "But TROS made $1.5B globally, that's PROOF that it's a great SW movie and was loved by fans and non-fans alike and the haters are in the minority."

 

[Wor-Gar]

OK, yeah... and definitely yes on Minions.

There was a glorious time when all the Top 10 movies were actually great movies... in the 80's... before the dark times... before Home Alone.

 

[xipotec]

TLJ, I think I can manage to sit through once in a great while. AotC I can’t sit through, even once in a great while.

Exactly.

Acting
TLJ=Good to excellent
AOTC=Awful

CGI/Special Effects
TLJ=Excellent
AOTC=Aweful

Story
TLJ=Good to Horrible
AOTC=Good to Horrible

Dialogue
TLJ=Good
AOTC=Awful

Cringe Inducing moments
TLJ=Several
AoTC= Several to Many

Score
TLJ=good
AOTC=Good



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[Prime Clone]

The ST needed Palpatine to reappear at the end to justify continuing the saga beyond ROTJ. Discuss.

 

[TaliBane]

OK, yeah... and definitely yes on Minions.

There was a glorious time when all the Top 10 movies were actually great movies... in the 80's... before the dark times... before Home Alone.

Yeah it did seem that the 90s heralded a new era of quite a few movies that were big hits but kinda junk (which is great, so they can be remade or rebooted!.)

My kids are now all clear into teens and still LOVE Home Alone. It was made well over a decade before they were born. SW - they can take it or leave it, and they've never even heard of AOTC.

The ST needed Palpatine to reappear at the end to justify continuing the saga beyond ROTJ. Discuss.

As part of the fast-growing "geezer movies" trend in line with ageing Western populations (and ageing SW fan populations,) I see Palps as the lead of the next trilogy.

Score
TLJ=good
AOTC=Good

Other than the Jango/Ewan battle, I see nothing of value in the whole of AOTC. I do like the clone gunship and Jedi Starfighter designs though and loved the Hasbro versions.

 

[a-dev]

Other than the Jango/Ewan battle, I see nothing of value in the whole of AOTC. I do like the clone gunship and Jedi Starfighter designs though and loved the Hasbro versions.

Yeah I tried to collect all the AOTC style Jedi Starfighters - loved the Plo Koon and Kit Fisto colours.

 

[TaliBane]

Yeah I tried to collect all the AOTC style Jedi Starfighters - loved the Plo Koon and Kit Fisto colours.

I bought the basic maroon version for $2.97 at the KB Toys close-out sale at the Grove in L.A. Got the original gunship for about $8. No kidding. I sold them both maybe three years ago for a couple of hundred bucks all up.

 

[a-dev]

I still have all mine in the attic. I doubt I have the boxes anymore though so I don't know what they're worth without those.

 

[Wor-Gar]

My kids are now all clear into teens and still LOVE Home Alone. It was made well over a decade before they were born.

Home Alone perfectly heralded in what to expect from the 90's -- corn-ball near slapstick mediocrity. Home Alone had its moments, but to make what it did was just... a shame. Audiences tastes just seem to take a nose-dive in the 90's for the most part. Flintstones, Little Rascals, Dennis the Menace, My Favorite Martian, on and on and on. Or it was quirky Twin Peaks/wannabe Pulp Fiction style WTF films. Or over-the-top action with slo-mo doves flying and Travolta sayin' "ain't it cool".

Few and far between were movies like Terminator 2, Jurassic Park, Usual Suspects and Matrix. Actually, that was pretty much the 90's best right there.

 

[Prime Clone]

Even the title -- Attack of the Clones -- is just "what was Lucas thinking" fodder. 'Attack' in the context of the clones in that movie doesn't really work.

Funnily enough, it would have worked perfectly for Ep III!

 

[Otomofan]

Exactly.

Acting
TLJ=Good to excellent
AOTC=Awful

Please show me one 30 second clip of anyone showcasing "excellent" acting in TLJ. Mark Hamill did "fine" but Was a far cry from excellent. Was Laura Dern "excellent" when she made resting ***** face for an hour? Benicio's s-s-stutter? Daisy "Teeth and Bug Eyes" Ridley?

There was only one performer in TLJ that was even close to "excellent" and she was just "very, very good." And it wasn't even her performance, just her amazing appearance. She's just so brave and fierce and badass.

Of course it was Big Nose Lady.

 

[jye4ever]

Home Alone perfectly heralded in what to expect from the 90's -- corn-ball near slapstick mediocrity. Home Alone had its moments, but to make what it did was just... a shame. Audiences tastes just seem to take a nose-dive in the 90's for the most part. Flintstones, Little Rascals, Dennis the Menace, My Favorite Martian, on and on and on. Or it was quirky Twin Peaks/wannabe Pulp Fiction style WTF films. Or over-the-top action with slo-mo doves flying and Travolta sayin' "ain't it cool".

Few and far between were movies like Terminator 2, Jurassic Park, Usual Suspects and Matrix. Actually, that was pretty much the 90's best right there.

Add True Lies and you can close the door on 90’s genre cinema, yuck lol

Ok fine I enjoyed Independence Day 1

 

[rushmore223]

Home Alone perfectly heralded in what to expect from the 90's -- corn-ball near slapstick mediocrity. Home Alone had its moments, but to make what it did was just... a shame. Audiences tastes just seem to take a nose-dive in the 90's for the most part. Flintstones, Little Rascals, Dennis the Menace, My Favorite Martian, on and on and on. Or it was quirky Twin Peaks/wannabe Pulp Fiction style WTF films. Or over-the-top action with slo-mo doves flying and Travolta sayin' "ain't it cool".

Few and far between were movies like Terminator 2, Jurassic Park, Usual Suspects and Matrix. Actually, that was pretty much the 90's best right there.

Though, the movies you cited above were not really hits. Studios dole out garbage all the time, nothing new.

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[TaliBane]

Home Alone perfectly heralded in what to expect from the 90's -- corn-ball near slapstick mediocrity. Home Alone had its moments, but to make what it did was just... a shame. Audiences tastes just seem to take a nose-dive in the 90's for the most part. Flintstones, Little Rascals, Dennis the Menace, My Favorite Martian, on and on and on. Or it was quirky Twin Peaks/wannabe Pulp Fiction style WTF films. Or over-the-top action with slo-mo doves flying and Travolta sayin' "ain't it cool".

Few and far between were movies like Terminator 2, Jurassic Park, Usual Suspects and Matrix. Actually, that was pretty much the 90's best right there.

The Usual Suspects is a super tough watch these days. And Jurassic Park is slooowww for the first 1/2 with some especially cringeworthy work by Sam Neill and Laura Dern. The Raptors deserved a nomination for making the movie what it is.

And as I posted earlier several articles this year have cited 1999 as some kind of high-water mark in film, so maybe there was a brief return to form before the onslaught of the franchise billionaires in the 2000's. That article I pasted a few weeks ago cited: Matrix, Eyes Wide Shut, Fight Club, Election, Boys Don’t Cry, Toy Story 2, Iron Giant, Blair Witch Project, The Virgin Suicides, Sixth Sense, Being John Malkovich, The Insider, Deep Blue Sea, D_ck, Galaxy Quest.

Maybe it's all just nostalgia - 80s has had its turn, now its the 90s time to get some love.

Though, the movies you cited above were not really hits. Studios dole out garbage all the time, nothing new.

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Flintstones was - I actually watched that maybe 6 months ago. Wow, just wow.

 

[jye4ever]

The Usual Suspects is a super tough watch these days. And Jurassic Park is slooowww for the first 1/2 with some especially cringeworthy work by Sam Neill and Laura Dern. The Raptors deserved a nomination for making the movie what it is.

And as I posted earlier several articles this year have cited 1999 as some kind of high-water mark in film, so maybe there was a brief return to form before the onslaught of the franchise billionaires in the 2000's. That article I pasted a few weeks ago cited: Matrix, Eyes Wide Shut, Fight Club, Election, Boys Don’t Cry, Toy Story 2, Iron Giant, Blair Witch Project, The Virgin Suicides, Sixth Sense, Being John Malkovich, The Insider, Deep Blue Sea, D_ck, Galaxy Quest.

Maybe it's all just nostalgia - 80s has had its turn, now its the 90s time to get some love.



Flintstones was - I actually watched that maybe 6 months ago. Wow, just wow.

So it doesn’t hold up lol

Look at the end of the day every decade had something great to offer in cinema I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Pretty bad azz and a dramatic improvement: