jye4ever
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I don’t think the original duel in the context of 77 was ever meant to be a fun carnival ride but more of a slow somber tragic one.
Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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rushmore223
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I liked some of it, a little too video gamey in parts. The punching felt out of place.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I still prefer the original version. I feel like in the original, it's more about studying the opponent and looking for an opening, not a street brawl.
I know if I were facing the guy who chopped off my limbs, burned me up and forced me to live my days in a iron lung, I might approach the fight cautiously.
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The duel was an extension of the story between those two characters. It had actual meaning and purpose. And it served the plot by being a transition point for Kenobi and Luke. The way fans perceive how lightsaber duels "should" play out now is just one more thing I blame the PT for ruining about SW. 
It has become much more superficial.Fans now want/expect twirling and flips, and Force-tossing opponents. They apparently even want straight-up punching now.
I prefer the nobility of the traditional sword fight that LS duels were in the OT. The '77 duel was slow and lumbering, but that was always okay with me because those were supposed to be two veteran warriors, with a deep personal history, having one final confrontation. What they'd be *thinking and feeling* mattered. It wasn't supposed to be a rage fest to show off skills and superpowers.Vader stalking Kenobi, and taking measure of his old master should make sense to people. Kenobi buying as much time as he can, knowing that he's outmatched, should make sense to people. There's no story-telling need for flips and ****.
Now fans seem to want these Jedi and Sith to act as much like cb superheroes/villains as possible. It makes me wonder why even have lightsabers at all then? Why not go full-on Force superpower duels? With JJ being the crowd-pleaser that he is, I can only hope he doesn't give in to that.
jye4ever
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Fans now want/expect twirling and flips, and Force-tossing opponents. They apparently even want straight-up punching now.
Vader stalking Kenobi, and taking measure of his old master should make sense to people. Kenobi buying as much time as he can, knowing that he's outmatched, should make sense to people. There's no story-telling need for flips and ****.
Now fans seem to want these Jedi and Sith to act as much like cb superheroes/villains as possible. It makes me wonder why even have lightsabers at all then? Why not go full-on Force superpower duels? With JJ being the crowd-pleaser that he is, I can only hope he doesn't give in to that.
Smooth calculating Samurais replaced by green frog twirling Ninjas lol
Ironwez's claim that the PT is basically TMNT was spot on wasn't it, lol.
jye4ever
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Holy crap lol
The Carbon Freeze chamber had no walls yet because of the gritty industrial vibe it worked really well and the steam made it seem alive, and even the Emperor's throne room also had a cold-steel reality, like the Death Star turned into a room.
The TLJ Snoke set really did seem like Rey should have spun around and belted out a glass-shattering soprano while Kylo and Snoke should have belted back a baritone-bass duet as all the red guards did Beyonce back-up twirls in the background.
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Fans now want/expect twirling and flips, and Force-tossing opponents. They apparently even want straight-up punching now.
Vader stalking Kenobi, and taking measure of his old master should make sense to people. Kenobi buying as much time as he can, knowing that he's outmatched, should make sense to people. There's no story-telling need for flips and ****.
Now fans seem to want these Jedi and Sith to act as much like cb superheroes/villains as possible. It makes me wonder why even have lightsabers at all then? Why not go full-on Force superpower duels? With JJ being the crowd-pleaser that he is, I can only hope he doesn't give in to that.
I mean we can justify it all we want, but at the end of the day the duel was the way it was because it was between an old man who thought the source material was silly and a guy in a mask who couldn't see very well who both had to be careful about not striking too hard because the prop swords were fragile and prone to falling apart.
That's not to say it didn't work. (Although I still don't know why in all the special editions they have done they still haven't fixed the effects, especially the quick part where you can straight up see the prop sword for a second). But at the end of the day there were other limiting factors at play rather than just artistic subtlety.
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Ugh the Vader vs Kenobi duel from ANH really needs to be redone.
I loved the duels from the prequel trilogy. Thought it was great to see force powers in addition to faster sword play. Don't understand why anybody would be against that?
I loved the duels from the prequel trilogy. Thought it was great to see force powers in addition to faster sword play. Don't understand why anybody would be against that?
rushmore223
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I like it the way it is, can't stand the baton twirling, hit nothing, over choreography of ROTS.
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Prime Clone
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Plus it was the first lightsaber duel we EVER SAW so we were happy with anything!
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For me, the answer to that is pretty simple: it's about substance over style. A lightsaber duel is better when it actually makes sense; when it has purpose. The purpose of the duels is tied to the actual lightsabers themselves. Kenobi described them in ANH as "an elegant weapon for a more civilized age." So, saber combat should have a corresponding nobility to it. It makes less sense when it turns into being more about showcasing the video game antics of the PT duels.
It's easy to dismiss the simpler duels of the OT (ANH in particular) as just being the result of clunky costumes and bad props, but that totally ignores the original inspiration for these duels, and what they were supposed to evoke. Lightsabers were a weapon of honor, used for an honorable method of combat. No need for extraneous nonsense. Lucas was originally inspired by Samurai, their beliefs, and their swords when he created the Jedi and their lightsabers. The OT duels made sense because they were a logical extension of the inspiration behind the story elements.
The PT duels may be more "fun" to watch for some fans, but for me, they're just visual noise without much storytelling value. They're mostly just silly. In AOTC, it got ridiculous. And Dooku even says that he and Yoda clearly weren't going to be able to solve anything with mastery of the Force, so lightsabers would settle it. Holy ****!
Lightsaber dueling lost a lot of its purpose in the PT. That's only my opinion, though. To each his own, of course.I always understood that the ignited OT lightsaber was heavy and so harder to swing (the reason Luke and Ben use two hands) so it was more a two-handed great sword type duel than a thinner rapier type that you could easily/quickly swing and re-swing with one hand.
The PT sabers almost at times seem like something you could use with a few fingers, but maybe they were a different type of lightsaber in that era.
...and I also agree with pretty much all of what ajp said.^^
The PT sabers almost at times seem like something you could use with a few fingers, but maybe they were a different type of lightsaber in that era.
...and I also agree with pretty much all of what ajp said.^^
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The two Luke vs Vader fights are my favourite to be honest. There's more story telling in those two battles than all that twirly prequel crap (although the Darth Maul fight is good to watch, purely to watch Ray Park's talent) …. Anyway, ESB - Vader toys with Luke, then the rematch happens and Luke holds his own before unleashing the rage and overpowering his father..
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But Lucas also said that the OT duelling was about an old man vs a half-man half-machine and Luke learning by watching those two, which is why the OT duels were slow. He went on to say that PT era were Jedi in their prime which is why they are much faster.
cerealkeller
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That is exactly my problem. Dooku vs Yoda: Lucas topped his stupid idea of Yoda fighting using a lightsaber by having a choreographer who doesn't understand that the point of a sword fight is to try and actually hit your opponent. Dooku would have never hit Yoda even if Yoda did not strike his blade in defense.
Same with Anakin vs Obi-Wan. Most of the swings would have never even hit their opponent. They twirled around like dancers and at no point did it look like either were in danger of being hit by a lightsaber. It was silly and stupid and completely takes me out of the movie. And I like ROTS, but I like the emotion of the fight with words (as poorly written as it was). That created tension, then they started twirling their light sticks around like a rave. Ugh
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