Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Wor-Gar]

Pretty bad azz and a dramatic improvement:

I like Ben's first spin (very simple but looked real) and Vader on fire... but the rest is just too video gamey. The shot-work doesn't match. The creators need to learn about style consistency to help make it feel like a cohesive whole.

Once you introduce all that Force-push stuff, you start asking: why didn't Vader stop the door from sealing?

People will be remaking that lackluster Vader vs Ben duel for the rest of time.

 

[snoop101]

"Now you will die!"

 

[Spartan Rex]

I like Ben's first spin (very simple but looked real) and Vader on fire... but the rest is just too video gamey. The shot-work doesn't match. The creators need to learn about style consistency to help make it feel like a cohesive whole.

Once you introduce all that Force-push stuff, you start asking: why didn't Vader stop the door from sealing?

People will be remaking that lackluster Vader vs Ben duel for the rest of time.

 

[jye4ever]

I like Ben's first spin (very simple but looked real) and Vader on fire... but the rest is just too video gamey. The shot-work doesn't match. The creators need to learn about style consistency to help make it feel like a cohesive whole.

Once you introduce all that Force-push stuff, you start asking: why didn't Vader stop the door from sealing?

People will be remaking that lackluster Vader vs Ben duel for the rest of time.

1977 lightsaber duel, a duel barely alive
Gentlemen we can rebuild it
We have the cgi technology
We have the capability to make the worlds first bad *** old Jedi
Ben Kenobi will be that man
Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster

 

[Khev]

I love all the lingering shots of Vader just standing on the other side of the closed door. They should have had him pounding on it shouting "Let me in, let me in! Can someone please at least describe what's happening out there!?"

 

[Wor-Gar]

1977 lightsaber duel, a duel barely alive
Gentlemen we can rebuild it
We have the cgi technology
We have the capability to make the worlds first bad *** old Jedi
Ben Kenobi will be that man
Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster

***cue Steve Austin music***


Tonight's episode:

"Force Don't Push Me"





I gotta say, in that video, when that choir kicked in -- I wanted to throw my chair at someone.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Please show me one 30 second clip of anyone showcasing "excellent" acting in TLJ. Mark Hamill did "fine" but Was a far cry from excellent. Was Laura Dern "excellent" when she made resting ***** face for an hour? Benicio's s-s-stutter? Daisy "Teeth and Bug Eyes" Ridley?

This is another example of how befuddling it can be when two people watch the same thing and come away with completely opposite impressions. I'd put the acting in TLJ up against that of any other SW film. From top to bottom, I think everyone in TLJ delivered a competent performance at worst, and an excellent performance at best. No one was terrible the way that Christensen, Portman, and Jackson were in the PT (all with heavy screen time). The PT acting would be a total joke if not for a consistently great McGregor, and a fine job by McDiarmid (when he wasn't going cartoonishly over-the-top).

In the OT, the standouts for me were Guinness & Cushing in ANH, and Ford & Fisher in ESB. And everyone else did at least a decent job, with some performances going well beyond decent. For me, Adam Driver's acting in TLJ doesn't take a back seat to any other SW role. And in spite of being limited to voice acting and motion capture, I thought Andy Serkis was phenomenal. Daisy Ridley was definitely inconsistent, but still very good at times. And Hamill was the best he's capable of being.

You asked for 30 seconds of "excellent" acting in TLJ. I can present you with far more than that, but obviously only according to *my* personal estimation. If you disagree (and you will) with these being examples of excellent acting, could you please point out examples from the rest of the saga that *would* meet your criteria? I'd be really curious to know what has risen to "excellence" in SW acting for you, by comparison.

Here's one of my favorite clips from Andy Serkis:



Here's one for Adam Driver:



This is one of my favorite scenes of Daisy Ridley:



And here's one of the many Hamill bits I thought were really good:

 

[Wor-Gar]

Here's one of my favorite clips from Andy Serkis:

The acting's fine in TLJ... I just can't get passed the massive and uninteresting and ultimately pointless set they have for the equally uninteresting and pointless Supreme Leader.

It looks like a cheap stage play. Some Andrew Lloyd Webber thing.

 

[rushmore223]

The acting's fine in TLJ... I just can't get passed the massive and uninteresting and ultimately pointless set they have for the equally uninteresting and pointless Supreme Leader.

It looks like a cheap stage play. Some Andrew Lloyd Webber thing.

Snoke has a fetish for Red and Gold

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[xipotec]

The acting's fine in TLJ... I just can't get passed the massive and uninteresting and ultimately pointless set they have for the equally uninteresting and pointless Supreme Leader.

It looks like a cheap stage play. Some Andrew Lloyd Webber thing.

And those are valid complaints...

My point being, from a logical stand point, TLJ is far from the worst made SW film. But that really falls on deaf ears to those who had such a visceral reaction to the character plot lines in TLJ.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Wor-Gar]

And those are valid complaints...

My point being, from a logical stand point, TLJ is far from the worst made SW film. But that really falls on deaf ears to those who had such a visceral reaction to the character plot lines in TLJ.

I think even people who like TLJ would put it near the bottom of the Star Wars movies ranking. Something has to go on the bottom.

I've only seen TLJ once and didn't like it at all... but I have to say, AOTC beats it for the 'dead last' category in my ranking. Like I said, I didn't like TLJ but I didn't feel physically embarrassed watching it like I did with AOTC.

 

[xipotec]

I think even people who like TLJ would put it near the bottom of the Star Wars movies ranking. Something has to go on the bottom.

I've only seen TLJ once and didn't like it at all... but I have to say, AOTC beats it for the 'dead last' category in my ranking. Like I said, I didn't like TLJ but I didn't feel physically embarrassed watching it like I did with AOTC.

I actually cannot watch any of the PT anymore except ROTS, and that out of the corner of my eye.....

So TLJ ranks above all those.

I seriously have no idea why I even have those films in my collection at all.





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[Wor-Gar]

I would never choose a PT blu ray to watch. If its on TBS, like it always seems to be, that's when I catch a part.

I don't own TLJ so I don't have that problem. It's not aired, so I don't have that problem. As far as I know, Disney has vaulted it. That's OK.


I'm not in any way looking forward to The Rise In Skywalker. I feel a duty to finish this off is all. I expect to be disappointed. So any improvement will be a happy surprise. But with Palps back, and the endless dialogue I imagine will be spoken to justify it all... just, ugh!

 

[Khev]

TLJ is on Netflix.

 

[jye4ever]

I wish people would stop referring to the PT as films.

TFA/TLJ are films, sure maybe bland maybe corny maybe bad BUT they’re at least films.

ANH/ESB are films.

The PT are saturday morning cartoons masquerading as saturday afternoon cartoons.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I always thought of OT Star Wars as movies. Raiders too. Jaws too. And all the great ones are movies.

Lawrence of Arabia is a film. Bridge on the River Kwai. Big important movies are films to me. And some small ones. Roma is likely a film... but I could never sit still long enough to watch it.

Hitchcock is in the unique position of making many great movies that are also great films.


I like movies. Entertainment first, art second. I believe that's what Hitchcock subscribed to.

 

[ironwez20]

I wish people would stop referring to the PT as films.

TFA/TLJ are films, sure maybe bland maybe corny maybe bad BUT they’re at least films.

ANH/ESB are films.

The PT are saturday morning cartoons masquerading as saturday afternoon cartoons.

Stop. Just stop. Don’t even. Say what u will about AOTc but rots is better than both tfa and TLJ combined. Wanna talk about Saturday morning cartons? The whole ending to the last Jedi felt like a horrible Saturday morning cartoon.

Say what u will about ROTS. Yes the acting was bad, the story, the bad cgi. But good or bad it’s still a damn good memorable movie with great moments and a great score and emotional scenes.

When anakin burned in the lava and the music played that was a great scene. You could feel that.

When Rey and kylo fight the snoke guards u feel nothing.

As short as it was you felt there was a connection between anakin and obiwan and it was sad when it broke.

You feel nothing for these characters. So much do they have to scrape the bottom of the Death Star to revive a character that will hopefully bring the fans back again. Completely ignoring the fact that he had a replacement.

If snikt’s predictions came true we would of gotten a better movie.

Sorry jye. This is where we gotta disagree buddy. These movies might as well be bad Saturday morning cartoons with no weight to them. Forgotten in 10 yrs or so. But yea you can also compare the PT to Saturday morning cartoons.
But in this case the PT is teenage mutant ninja turtles and the ST is biker mice from mars

 

[Prime Clone]

Back on AOTC, it began the trend of unnecessary backstories that Disney has since amped up to 11.

We didn't need a Boba backstory, but if we had to have one, I like the one we got.

I just remembered Solo even gave us the origin of Chewie's nickname.

 

[jye4ever]

I always thought of OT Star Wars as movies. Raiders too. Jaws too. And all the great ones are movies.

Lawrence of Arabia is a film. Bridge on the River Kwai. Big important movies are films to me. And some small ones. Roma is likely a film... but I could never sit still long enough to watch it.

Hitchcock is in the unique position of making many great movies that are also great films.


I like movies. Entertainment first, art second. I believe that's what Hitchcock subscribed to.

That’s true Dr Zhivago is a film and Raiders is a movie.

But that was my point with AOTC, movies might as well be films when compared to AOTC lol

 

[Johnny1378]

Pretty bad azz and a dramatic improvement:

There’s some pretty cool stuff in this. As just a piece of art, I think it’s fantastic. As an attempt at replacing the actual Vader/Kenobi duel from ANH, I think it almost works, but they went a little overboard a couple times, IMO. Still, it is a lot more fun to watch than the actual duel. And really, if they wanted to add something like this to the special edition version, I wouldn’t even care. It’s been changed so much at this point, it hardly matters anymore. I think if the original, unaltered films were always kept available, I think people would probably be more receptive to stuff like this. Or at the very least, be less bothered by it.