Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[momaw]

Well there you go..... Its perfect.

 

[JAWS]

WOW!

I am going to be very curious how this plays for you in subsequent viewings. 3rd best? 3rd? AND it boosted TLJ up? How does that even work? Especially when TROS spends a lot of time deliberately UNDOING that previous film.

And where does RO land now?

I am well aware that subsequent viewing will bring this film down a notch or two.. But I don't know if it will bring it below ROTJ as the acting / characters / and look of the film will probably keep it above that film.

TLJ is helped because I have always liked the Luke / Rey / and Kylo stuff for the most part. I will always have major issues with the rest of the film. But because the new film did right the wrongs of TLJ.. That film is now harmless and did not effect the final part of the story.. Having said that.. Maybe we would not have gotten the film we got with TROS had TLJ been such a misstep.

So I would not say I like TLJ more... But I hate it less

 

[Khev]

I have no issue with Palps return.. I don't even know how he did it.. But I loved him in the role. Loved how he looked and because everything else was handled well I was very forgiving.

What I love is that according to Gary Kurtz Palps was always supposed to be defeated in Episode 9 by Luke and his twin sister but since George changed and abridged so much when he made ROTJ that Rey and Kylo facing Palps was the next best thing.

Kurtz:"The one story thread that got totally tossed out the window, which was really pretty important I think, was the one of Vader trying to convince Luke to join him to overthrow the Emperor. That together they had enough power that they could do that, and it wasn't him saying I want to take over the world and be the evil leader, it was that transition. It was Vader saying, 'I'm looking again at what I've done and where my life has gone and who I've served and, very much in the Samurai tradition, and saying if I can join forces with my son, who is just as strong as I am, that maybe we can make some amends.' So there was all of that going on in Jedi as well, that was supposed to go on. So the story was quite a bit more poignant and the ending was the coronation of Leia as the queen of what was left of her people, to take over the royal symbol. That meant she was then isolated from all of the rest and Luke went off then by himself. It was basically a kind of bittersweet ending. She's not his sister that dropped in to wrap up everything neatly. His sister was someone else way over on the other side of the galaxy and she wasn't going to show up until the next episode."

https://filmthreat.com/interviews/gary-kurtz-interview-the-original-star-wars-producer-speaks/

The female "other" was never supposed to even show up until Episode 7, which TFA ended up still delivering on with Rey. And instead of Leia getting a new title Rey gets a new name.

 

[JAWS]

Rose: Crap
Bliss: Crap
Holdo: Crap
Babu: Crap
D-O: Crap
Lord of the Rings guy: Crap
Fisher?s daughter: Crap
Maz: Crap
XWing pilot fat guy JJ friend: Crap




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I don't agree with most of that because they were not major parts of the story.. Its not that I am a Rose fan now.. But she was just there and did not offend me like the last film.

I don't agree about Babu at all... I thought he was great... Especially when he celebrated his work on 3PO
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[JAWS]

Imagine how freaking creepy and scary it would?ve been had the movie started on a peaceful night on Endor with the Ewoks settling in with their families on the trees and then all of a sudden Palps voice looms over the silent air cackling and mocking them.

But oh gosh I will never not praise Ian the dude is a legend he chews and owns the scenes like no other can.

I teared up with Han.

Hell I teared up like 4 x lol

Leia stopping Kylo
Han holy crap Han!
Calvary
Luke-Leia

Wedge I grinned huge with a fist pump thrown in lol

But man what a nonsensical over convoluted family plot.

Palpatine had kids who knew lol

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I have no issues with Palp having kids.. Evil dude who rules the galaxy is going to get his freak on.

What I love is that according to Gary Kurtz Palps was always supposed to be defeated in Episode 9 by Luke and his twin sister but since George changed and abridged so much when he made ROTJ that Rey and Kylo facing Palps was the next best thing.



The female "other" was never supposed to even show up until Episode 7, which TFA ended up still delivering on with Rey.

I love that that palps was in it.. I was worried that it would ruin the events of ROTJ kinda like how I felt with TFA. But there is something about the fact that The Empire never really went away. The Emperor was still in control. Out hero's had won a major / huge battle but still did not win the war. This film brought all of it together and gave the saga a more epic feel. For me anyways.

 

[JAWS]

I think MAZ was an Animatromic in this film and not a CGI character..

Good move IMO. Always hated her CGIess in TFA

 

[Asta]

 

[Khev]

I love that that palps was in it.. I was worried that it would ruin the events of ROTJ kinda like how I felt with TFA. But there is something about the fact that The Empire never really went away. The Emperor was still in control. Out hero's had one a major / huge battle but still did not win the war. This film brought all of it together and gave the saga a more epic feel. For me anyways.

Yep and the Resistance no longer was simply cleaning up a mess that the OT heroes apparently failed to defeat themselves because Han and Leia both directly guided their son in this film just as Luke directed Rey and even provided her with a ship and weapon. So in the end even with their deaths if it weren't for the OT heroes Palps would have won.

 

[momaw]

I have no issues with Palp having kids.. Evil dude who rules the galaxy is going to get his freak on.




I love that that palps was in it.. I was worried that it would ruin the events of ROTJ kinda like how I felt with TFA. But there is something about the fact that The Empire never really went away. The Emperor was still in control. Out hero's had one a major / huge battle but still did not win the war. This film brought all of it together and gave the saga a more epic feel. For me anyways.

I agree. The events of ESB and RotJ, especially the creation of DSII in no way lessened the importance and impact of the victory won in ANH. The rise or return of evil does not take away from past victories. For many it gives the hope to endure and fight for the next victory.

 

[JAWS]

Yep and the Resistance no longer was simply cleaning up a mess that the OT heroes apparently failed to defeat themselves because Han and Leia both directly guided their son in this film just as Luke directed Rey and even provided her with a ship and weapon. So in the end even with their deaths if it weren't for the OT heroes Palps would have won.

Yep!!!

 

[Khev]

So who's the bigger friend zone loser, Finn or TDKR Bane, lol.

TKDR Bane: Gets friend zoned by a girl who sleeps with his arch nemesis.

Finn: Gets friend zoned by a girl who makes out with the murderer of Han Solo and countless others, lol.

 

[JAWS]

I agree. The events of ESB and RotJ, especially the creation of DSII in no way lessened the importance and impact of the victory won in ANH. The rise or return of evil does not take away from past victories. For many it gives the hope to endure and fight for the next victory.

Agreed about ESB and ROTJ not effecting the victory in ANH

I still had issues though with TFA erasing the sacrifice everyone made in ROTJ... It was like "All of that just for another war to pop up?"

But now its like The war was never over.. They just thought it was.

It worked for me and its all because it was Palps behind the whole thing and not some new Snoke Emperor.

 

[JAWS]

And where does RO land now?

Right now this very second its my 4th fav after ANH, ESB, and TROS.

yep that's right.


We will see how I feel in a year.

 

[momaw]

Yep and the Resistance no longer was simply cleaning up a mess that the OT heroes apparently failed to defeat themselves because Han and Leia both directly guided their son in this film just as Luke directed Rey and even provided her with a ship and weapon. So in the end even with their deaths if it weren't for the OT heroes Palps would have won.

You know, in some ways the resistance makes a little more sense to me now (yes, guilty of adding my own head canon to the story that is not there on film). I know outside the movies they made explanations, but there was never an in film reason for a separate resistance against the First Order. While the OT characters never overtly knew it, the resistance is basically a continuation of a fight we now know never ended. It's a shame Carrie died (for more reasons than just this film) as they could have had a scene where she alluded to the fact she knew the original fight wasn't over, a feeling (much like hers and Luke's other intuitive force guided feelings) that the original war wasn't over and that there was more to the First Order than it appeared. Perhaps this feeling and determination was additional fuel to the separation of the OT trio - Palpatine's ongoing undermining influence.

Ok, enough speculation.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yep and the Resistance no longer was simply cleaning up a mess that the OT heroes apparently failed to defeat themselves because Han and Leia both directly guided their son in this film just as Luke directed Rey and even provided her with a ship and weapon. So in the end even with their deaths if it weren't for the OT heroes Palps would have won.

Your unexplained jedi power is stretching **** .

 

[Khev]

Even 3PO was funny in this movie IMO.

His comment about Babu being his oldest friend and "oh look, the first laser shootout I've ever been a part of" both made me lol.

 

[momaw]

Even 3PO was funny in this movie IMO.

His comment about Babu being his oldest friend and "oh look, the first laser shootout I've ever been a part of" both made me lol.

And his passive aggressive, "No one said my name but I'm ok too" (or words to that effect)

 

[jye4ever]

Yes Maz did actually look more real so either animatronic or cgi has improved that much since TFA but man was she a waste of a character

Shame B Wing squadron wasn?t given a special attack run

Wedge was like EG Hulk in this he should?ve done more lol

Yes 3PO was indeed funny

Ok fine i?ll give Babu that one funny expression but man did D O suck after awhile

Did anyone catch Finn ignoring Rose and going on a second suicide mission with Jannah lol

And no Finn wasn?t going to tell Rey he loved her although it sure seemed like he did right but I think it was that he felt Jedi feelings

Lets see what else what else

Now all this forum needs is Talibane loving this lol




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[Khev]

Shame B Wing squadron wasn?t given a special attack run

Yep after that very first teaser I was all yes after 36 years we'll finally see B-Wings in action. Nope, lol.

 

[dan350zr]

how old was Palpatine? He was like in his 50's in Phantom Menance he had to be like 120 in Rise of Skywalker...