Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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I never said that Colin was fired due to fan backlash against TLJ, but much of what ended up in TROS certainly was.

I think that claiming that there was no plan simply because you didn't like TROS just ignores too many details.

I do agree about the cohesive universe across all media being a joke though. Clearly the films don't give a crap about any comics or novels whether they were old EU or recently developed in house by Disney. And I'm fine with that since so many of those stories are garbage anyway.
 
I never said that Colin was fired due to fan backlash against TLJ, but much of what ended up in TROS certainly was.

I think that claiming that there was no plan simply because you didn't like TROS just ignores too many details.

I do agree about the cohesive universe across all media being a joke though. Clearly the films don't give a crap about any comics or novels whether they were old EU or recently developed in house by Disney. And I'm fine with that since so many of those stories are garbage anyway.

The majority sentiment was that there was no plan long before anyone had even seen TROS. I was one of the few who actually believed that there was a plan. My conclusion to the contrary now has nothing to do with whether or not I liked TROS. If they had a plan, and it was laid out in a clear way, why would they have had trouble getting Colin Trevorrow to simply follow it? Isn't that what plans are for?
 
I said there was no plan after the last jedi. I am not saying it due to the rise of skywalker. It is obvious each director had wanted to do a movie that was in the same galaxy but they didn't communicate enough to have them really fit together. That's how life is and I know many love the new movies. Disney had an agenda for sure and I think that what was communicated to each director. Lets make it more accessible to females and minorities. Not a bad thing to shoot for on paper but they missed out on making great characters rather than doing hollow caricatures. Leia was strong and Lando was mysterious and they became memorable because the characters and actors made them so. The new characters are forgettable at best to me.
 
The majority sentiment was that there was no plan long before anyone had even seen TROS. I was one of the few who actually believed that there was a plan. My conclusion to the contrary now has nothing to do with whether or not I liked TROS. If they had a plan, and it was laid out in a clear way, why would they have had trouble getting Colin Trevorrow to simply follow it? Isn't that what plans are for?

He couldn't simply follow the original plan because it required lots of new footage of Carrie Fisher. So if they saw him struggling to rework the narrative in the midst of The Book of Henry tanking that could have been reason enough to let him go right there (at least in Disney's mind.) Then additional revisions would have obviously come about due to TLJ being so divisive.

I said there was no plan after the last jedi. I am not saying it due to the rise of skywalker.

Yes my comment was directed at ajp since he said TROS alone made him change his mind about whether they had one or not. And I agree that a good portion of what they were shooting for with regard to diversity does indeed sound good on paper (having a female be the primary hero was good and something the George himself was going to do) but then with TLJ they just went way off the rails with the preachy wokeness. Thank God it wasn't the final word on the Saga and now after TROS I can more easily dismiss those aspects of the previous film.
 
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He couldn't simply follow the original plan because it required lots of new footage of Carrie Fisher. So if they saw him struggling to rework the narrative in the midst of The Book of Henry tanking that could have been reason enough to let him go right there (at least in Disney's mind.) Then additional revisions would have obviously come about due to TLJ being so divisive.



Yes my comment was directed at ajp since he said TROS alone made him change his mind about whether they had one or not. And I agree that a good portion of what they were shooting for with regard to diversity does indeed sound good on paper (having a female be the primary hero was good and something the George himself was going to do) but then with TLJ they just went way off the rails with the preachy wokeness. Thank God it wasn't the final word on the Saga and now after TROS I can more easily dismiss those aspects of the previous film.

RoS was better than last jedi but I really don't think I will bother watching the new trilogy again. I love Rogue One and I enjoy Solo. I can live with that for movies. I am enjoying Mandalorian and have hopes for Cassian and Kenobi's shows to be great. That I think will be Star Wars is for me.
 
He couldn't simply follow the original plan because the it required lots of new footage of Carrie Fisher. So if they saw him struggling to rework the narrative in the midst of The Book of Henry tanking that could have been reason enough to let him go right there (at least in Disney's mind.) Then additional revisions would have obviously come about due to TLJ being so divisive.

I have to give it to Disney for having the balls to make Rey be a damsel in distress who actually died twice.

She needed all the of Jedi to resurrect her and then was saved by a white man who kissed her without permission lol


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I have to give it to Disney for having the balls to make Rey be a damsel in distress who actually died twice.

She needed all the of Jedi to resurrect her and then was saved by a white man who kissed her without permission lol

And Leia had to stop Kylo from killing her so that's damsel in distress three times! Plus she gave up (flew to Ach-To to die) and was about to kill Palpatine and fulfill his plan because she saw no other way out!

But it was she who kissed Ben though man you must have been hammered, lol.
 
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He couldn't simply follow the original plan because it required lots of new footage of Carrie Fisher. So if they saw him struggling to rework the narrative in the midst of The Book of Henry tanking that could have been reason enough to let him go right there (at least in Disney's mind.) Then additional revisions would have obviously come about due to TLJ being so divisive.

JJ was hired 3 months before TLJ hit theaters, and only one week after Trevorrow was sent packing. JJ has said that they were in a tight window and had to hit the ground running because of being brought in so late into the game. But, his script (which would've been well underway when TLJ came out) was wildly different than Trevorrow's. Not just some of the obvious corrections to placate anti-TLJ folks; but the entire narrative and thematic driving points were entirely different.

If the two scripts had basically taken the story in the same general direction, but just accounted for Leia differently and gotten rid of wokeness, I could totally see how a general plan/vision was being executed. But "plan" means story. Leia footage and SJW/wokeness can be corrected without altering the thematic and narrative core of the story/plan.

Johnson said there was no plan in terms of where the story was going. He said that he had free reign. I used to insist that he was essentially lying to help keep KK from the perception of being overbearing. But if Trevorrow ends up confirming that there was no plan when he was told to write ep9, then that'll settle this once and for all.
 
And Leia had to stop Kylo from killing her so that's damsel in distress three times! Plus she gave up (flew to Ach-To to die) and was about to kill Palpatine and fulfill his plan because she saw no other way out!

I lol when Rose yelled at Finn.....

We are done lets go what are you doing!

Finn answers......

Just go without me!

lol


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Just imagine poor SNIKT. TLJ actually was totally setting up ancient Sith Vampires and Grey Jedi but in his anger his backlash killed it, lol.

oh man lol

And Leia had to stop Kylo from killing her so that's damsel in distress three times! Plus she gave up (flew to Ach-To to die) and was about to kill Palpatine and fulfill his plan because she saw no other way out!

But it was she who kissed Ben though man you must have been hammered, lol.

I saw it 4 x lol

That?s right she kissed him.

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I can't even believe there is an argument about whether or not there was a plan. There clearly was not a plan. The transitions from film to film were not cohesive at all. JJ set things up in episode 7, RJ contradicts JJ in 8 while creating his own direction for the story, JJ then promptly contradicts RJ in 9. Palpatine was clearly an 11th hour decision to compensate for Rey's Mary Sueness, to provide an actual bad guy, and a nostalgia play to improve box office results.

Kennedy also basically admitted there was no plan in that interview where she complains about how all of this was so hard to do when she had no source material to go off of(which wasn't true either as confirmed by George Lucas).
 
If the two scripts had basically taken the story in the same general direction, but just accounted for Leia differently and gotten rid of wokeness, I could totally see how a general plan/vision was being executed. But "plan" means story.

In Trevorrow's Episode IX:

It opens with Kylo Ren hunting for Sith info on Mustafar while Rey trains.
He learns of a Sith Vampire more powerful than him and seeks him out.
Rey starts having visions of Kylo.
Rey, Poe and others go to a planet where they learn of a secret location where Kylo will be by having someone's memory probed.
On the planet the heroes are on a water skimmer but are hunted by the Knights of Ren who shoot at them from above.
Rey splits up from Poe and the others and flies the bad guys' ship to the secret location.
Kylo has a vision of Han Solo.
The ancient bad guy can drain the life from others.
A big space battle ensues with the other characters with Lando bringing in the calvary.
Rey and Kylo duel but then she gets drained and is about to die, he changes his mind, turns to the light, gives her his lifeforce instead and he dies.
Oh yeah and the ghosts of Luke, Ben, and Yoda intervene at the duel at the end.

Now what movie does that sound like to you? :)

And all of that was in script form *before Rogue One was even released* and over an entire year before The Last Jedi came out. So either the Trevorrow script is a lie or they had a planned ending (not even an outline but a full script) prior to the release of the second film in the trilogy which makes the ST way more "planned out" than the OT itself.

Also keep in mind that the Trevorrow script could have gone through however many revisions prior to JJ coming aboard so for all we know the final script of "Duel of the Fates" was even closer to TROS than the leaked one.

I get that "they had no plan" is a canned Fandom Menace talking point but the fact that so much of what ended up in TROS was put in print before even Rogue One hit theaters proves that that particular claim is categorically untrue.
 
That outline is also an awful lot like SNIKTs too.

And honestly had me wondering if the whole thing is a clever troll. Supposedly it has been "confirmed" as being legit by multiple sources, I wonder if Trevorrow himself will eventually clear the air. But supposedly Gareth Edwards personally showed SNIKT the "R-Rated Spiderverse" cut of RO so maybe Trevorrow filled him in on the vampire/grey stuff as well, lol.
 
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