Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Khev]

Yup, I do believe we are 2 for 2.

Holy crap everything about these pics is freaking hilarious. Top pic is perfect TaliBane and looks like some bizarre heist movie about a kidnapped ewok, lol.

And jye I can't stop laughing at the side by side of your Alice screenshot next to Luke. Now I'm having Sleepaway Camp flashbacks again.

 

[jye4ever]

Holy crap everything about these pics is freaking hilarious. Top pic is perfect TaliBane and looks like some bizarre heist movie about a kidnapped ewok, lol.

And jye I can't stop laughing at the side by side of your Alice screenshot next to Luke. Now I'm having Sleepaway Camp flashbacks again.

ROTJ 1983

Sleepaway Camp 1983




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[Prime Clone]

two SW characters (Han and Ben from ANH) in the top 50 top film characters ever created.

Interesting you should bring those up. Both Ford and Guinness felt they were "lowering" themselves to be in SW. And lately we've had Scorsese and Tarantino calling out Marvel and SW for not being "real" cinema.

Not saying I agree, but there's a school of thought among film purists that these mega-franchises aren't to be taken seriously.

(Not sure what Tarantino thinks of Trek tho, since he almost directed one!)

That's not what was said. Maybe he meant that movies based on acclaimed/loved/famous books have an easier time being better movies?

Kinda. What I meant was an established, acclaimed fantasy saga like LOTR is "deeper" and gets more respect than a pulp series based on Flash Gordon.

I happen to prefer SW as a film franchise, but that's down to personal taste. I get why LOTR has more respect.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I get why LOTR has more respect.

"One day some of the kids from Sideshow Collector carried my mother's groceries all the way home. You know why? It was outta respect."

 

[Prime Clone]

"One day some of the kids from Sideshow Collector carried my mother's groceries all the way home. You know why? It was outta respect."

To LOTR

 

[Wor-Gar]

Rian Johnson was just on the red carpet... little giggling dweeb. Seems nice but... basically JJ v2.

 

[Prime Clone]

Rian Johnson was just on the red carpet... little giggling dweeb. Seems nice but... basically JJ v2.

All the ST directors (even the one who got sacked) were bespectacled white males.

 

[greedo737]

And TRoS didn?t win **** at the oscars. Well deserved [emoji23][emoji1787][emoji23][emoji1787]

 

[sithocan]

Scorcese and Tarantino just expressed their opinion. They are not definitive statements. There are lots of people who do and don't enjoy their movies.

 

[TaliBane]

All the ST directors (even the one who got sacked) were detestacled white males.

Fixed for you.

 

[FlyAndFight]

Fixed for you.

 

[Prime Clone]

Scorcese and Tarantino just expressed their opinion. They are not definitive statements. There are lots of people who do and don't enjoy their movies.

As I said, I don't necessarily agree, but it's just the latest evidence of the attitude towards comic, SF and fantasy franchises.

Fixed for you.

 

[TaliBane]

As I said, I don't necessarily agree, but it's just the latest evidence of the attitude towards comic, SF and fantasy franchises.

Some of that attitude has to do with the idea that these franchises take all the BO oxygen, creating an environment where original (ie less risk-averse) projects can't get made or compete if they do get made, and where less movies in general are made.

Disney used to produce double the amount of movies they do today with perhaps half the number not being from their IP library. That hasn't been the case in over decade - ironically, the decade of MCU. They make less than half the number they used to with budgets that are 2-3 times what movies used to be even adjusted for inflation, and 100% are sequels, reboots or reinventions of their IP library (the latest being a growing list of animated classics remade as CGI "live action.")

 

[YoNoSe]

If you adjust Birds of Prey for manflation it is the top grossing movie of the year unless it identifies as a bottom.

 

[Khev]

Lol.

You still a fan of TROS Junkion or did the initial buzz wear off?

 

[Prime Clone]

Some of that attitude has to do with the idea that these franchises take all the BO oxygen, creating an environment where original (ie less risk-averse) projects can't get made or compete if they do get made, and where less movies in general are made.

It's even gotten worse for the few big-budget films that take risks (TLJ, BvS etc). They might perform respectably at the BO but if they get a low RT score or negative social media buzz the studio freaks out and course-corrects.

BvS earned more than WW but is considered a flop, whereas WW isn't. Same with SR v BB.

 

[TaliBane]

It's even gotten worse for the few big-budget films that take risks (TLJ, BvS etc). They might perform respectably at the BO but if they get a low RT score or negative social media buzz the studio freaks out and course-corrects.

BvS earned more than WW but is considered a flop, whereas WW isn't. Same with SR v BB.

I meant "original" as in an all-new story, not original as in a newer take on a major IP franchise story.

Today there are "risks" (as in a non-standard take on well-established IP properties)... and then there are RISKS (as in anything without a built-in fanbase or recognition factor.) The second type of risk is so high, few major studios take them any more.

So they greenlight MCU movie #37, DC movie #18, F&F movie #13 or SW movie #15. And that's where we are.

 

[YoNoSe]

Lol.

You still a fan of TROS Junkion or did the initial buzz wear off?

*sigh*

I appreciate the effort, but honestly I think it’s probably as bad as TLJ if you remove the way TLJ changed the whole trajectory of the trilogy. And in retrospect, almost none of the seemingly interesting mysteries of TFA paid off so I’m settling into a general stomach ache about the whole ST. Not in a semi-fun fan-headcanon adjusting way. It really amazes me that this whole mess happened. That this little thought and care went into it. I’ve tried to rewatch TROS a couple of times and it’s just so incredibly empty. The characters/humor are Bay Transformers level bad. The entire plot is a series of coincidences piled on inconsistency and anti-logic.

Unless my daughter wants to watch them someday I will never revisit this trilogy.

When your suspension of disbelief has already been so damaged that you’re like “do they need to attach jumper cables to R2 to convey a three sentence message” it’s time to shut it off and put your limited, middle aged fan energy into something else.

But as always, cheers to any and all who can still mine these for gems. They are in there, I don’t deny.

 

[Prime Clone]

I meant "original" as in an all-new story, not original as in a newer take on a major IP franchise story.

Yes I know, was merely pointing out that some of the big-budget films also take risks - but that too is becoming rarer.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Yes I know, was merely pointing out that some of the big-budget films also take risks - but that too is becoming rarer.

Traditional studios know they'd have to be borderline crazy to take risks with theatrical releases nowadays. Those types of movies will belong more and more exclusively to streaming services like Netflix and premium channels like HBO.

Back in the day, any movie being released pretty much meant that you'd *have* to see it in a theater. Even with the advent of home video, the wait time after theatrical release was much longer than it is today, and televisions were far inferior to the big screen. Now, home releases are debuting merely three months after theatrical release, and HD televisions are both better and bigger than ever. More and more people now wait for home release (only about three months anyway) to have their first viewing be streamed onto their giant TV with 4K resolution.

It's pretty much only "event" movies and kids movies that can still draw large masses to theaters. Most of the rest of the cinema films barely make a profit after revenue gets split with the theaters. So why bother? The smart move instead is to make those kinds of films only where they can cut out the middle man (theaters) by streaming them straight to audiences at home.

The "risky" and original films will still get made (maybe even with franchise IP's), but they just won't be made for the theater/cinema experience. In fact, the edgier and most creative movies that can get the biggest "buzz" going will help their companies win the streaming wars. That's where the incentive is.